PG: Knicks-Hawks aka 1,2,3,Cancun! (Hawks win series 4-1)

[Sark]

Why do people act like tanking is foolproof?

That is the major flaw in their argument. It carries its own risks that people just want to gloss over.

No, the major flaw is that people think tanking means we have to go 0-82 for 5 straight years.

[Oscirus]

Good, be a "real" fan and keep heaping praise on our s*** core... It won't change the fact that Trae is much better than anyone on our roster by a wide margin.

LIRR frat boy bull**** fanbase is what allows the cycle to perpetuate itself.

The Morey method set the sixers back multiple years until embed got healthy. The fact that you support that method in hopes of getting a one dimensional player like Trae tells me all I need to know about you and your fandom.

The fact that you can't see that a quick, high scoring, shot creating PG is a bigger draw to FAs (not to mention, better to build around) in today's NBA than an undersized, unathletic PF who just added a 3 point shot this season tells me that you haven't actually watched any basketball in the past 5-6 years.

What major free agents has Trae attracted? Go ahead, I'll wait

[K_ick_God]

Yeah that's true. Tanking has a lot of cost. The thing that lets people off the hook is that a) they want that most of all because of the excitement of the unknown and b) the very nature of it is a gamble so it's like an investment in stocks. But every free agent or trade you pass up to tank has a cost. It's a crap shoot. The Hawks did well to get Trae but it's still kind of excruciating to pass up Luka. The outcome can vary widely and it's actually more risky than paying a good free agent.

People just also don't like signing guys to big contracts because that literal cost is more obvious and kind of locks you in.

[GONYK]

Why do people act like tanking is foolproof?

That is the major flaw in their argument. It carries its own risks that people just want to gloss over.

No, the major flaw is that people think tanking means we have to go 0-82 for 5 straight years.

Can you define what it means for you? I think it means different things for the different people advocating for it.

[god shammgod]

Why do people act like tanking is foolproof?

That is the major flaw in their argument. It carries its own risks that people just want to gloss over.

it's not, it's just easier to get out of. you don't draft the guy you need you can just try again. start paying guys and you might be stuck for years.

[K_ick_God]

There is seemingly more house money with picks, less sunken cost. Obviously the 6ers could have worked big, the Thunder may work big. Probably will at least give you a good team. But good team and really good team are far apart.

[robillionaire]

Read on Twitter

the consensus is that randle is a number 3 option and it might hinder you to get 1 & 2 if you pay him

“I don’t believe Julius is a max guy,” an NBA executive told HoopsHype. “He’s a good player, but definitely not a max guy in my opinion. I don’t think his season was a fluke. I think Thibs and Kenny Payne are great for him, I just don’t think he is a max player.”

“I’m not sure I’d extend him,” another NBA executive told HoopsHype. “If they go another year under his current contract to let him prove that this year wasn’t a fluke, they’ll still have Bird Rights and can always give him an extra year more than other teams when he’s an unrestricted free agent.”

Other executives aren’t overreacting to one bad playoff series compared to his 71 regular-season games played at a high level. With that said, some believe there’s no rush for New York to get something done.

“I’d probably wait (to extend him),” a third NBA executive told HoopsHype. “If he has another great year, great. I don’t see another team offering much more as a free agent.”

“I doubt they would offer him the max cause they would be bidding against themselves,” a fourth NBA executive told HoopsHype.

The other side to the coin is if they wait to extend him to see if he has another great year, and he does, it will cost us significantly more to retain him and at that point we would risk losing him for nothing if we didn't, so we would be in an even tougher spot next summer and might end up having to put him on an even worse contract

[Sark]

Why do people act like tanking is foolproof?

That is the major flaw in their argument. It carries its own risks that people just want to gloss over.

No, the major flaw is that people think tanking means we have to go 0-82 for 5 straight years.

Can you define what it means for you? I think it means different things for the different people advocating for it.

To me it means playing the young kids, and living with the results.

[ENYK]

The Morey method set the sixers back multiple years until embed got healthy. The fact that you support that method in hopes of getting a one dimensional player like Trae tells me all I need to know about you and your fandom.

The fact that you can't see that a quick, high scoring, shot creating PG is a bigger draw to FAs (not to mention, better to build around) in today's NBA than an undersized, unathletic PF who just added a 3 point shot this season tells me that you haven't actually watched any basketball in the past 5-6 years.

What major free agents has Trae attracted? Go ahead, I'll wait

Who will Julius attract if we sign him to an extension is the better question if you're a Knicks fan.

Clearly deductive reasoning is not your strong suit.

Trae embarrassed us, he was the best player on the court, and it wasn't even close.

If he was in NY, we'd have an actual draw for FA... we currently do not. But let's talk when the dreams of Dame and Kahwi turn into Lonzo and Lavine.

[ENYK]

The Morey method set the sixers back multiple years until embed got healthy. The fact that you support that method in hopes of getting a one dimensional player like Trae tells me all I need to know about you and your fandom.

The fact that you can't see that a quick, high scoring, shot creating PG is a bigger draw to FAs (not to mention, better to build around) in today's NBA than an undersized, unathletic PF who just added a 3 point shot this season tells me that you haven't actually watched any basketball in the past 5-6 years.

What major free agents has Trae attracted? Go ahead, I'll wait

Who will Julius attract if we sign him to an extension is the better question if you're a Knicks fan.

Clearly deductive reasoning is not your strong suit.

Trae embarrassed us, he was the best player on the court, and it wasn't even close.

If he was in NY, we'd have an actual draw for FA... we currently do not. But let's talk when the dreams of Dame and Kahwi turn into Lonzo and Lavine.

[K_ick_God]

Why do people act like tanking is foolproof?

That is the major flaw in their argument. It carries its own risks that people just want to gloss over.

it's not, it's just easier to get out of. you don't draft the guy you need you can just try again. start paying guys and you might be stuck for years.

But you could be stuck for the same years trying draft picks. That just happened to us didn't it. From KP to Obi was several years running -- a Max contract that didn't work would have expired by now. Not to say we didn't get a couple good players buuuuut lol .... we may not have.

[Deeeez Knicks]

so these playoffs gives you no pause to paying this guy 30 million a year for the next 4/5 years ?

I'd rather get away with closer to 25M a year but no, it doesn't give me much pause, he's worth that just for the regular season success alone

All MAX contracts aren't created equal. Randle at $26M, which is what his MAX extension would be for, is what a player of his level costs. Even if you think he peaks as a 3rd option.

$26mil isnt even that much given the cap. There are players making over $40mil and over 40+ players in the league making over $26mil.

[GONYK]

Why do people act like tanking is foolproof?

That is the major flaw in their argument. It carries its own risks that people just want to gloss over.

it's not, it's just easier to get out of. you don't draft the guy you need you can just try again. start paying guys and you might be stuck for years.

It's just as easy to get out of as not paying the wrong guy though.

The issue is that nobody gets to tank all the time the same way that nobody gets to just keep not paying talent.

[robillionaire]

I'd rather get away with closer to 25M a year but no, it doesn't give me much pause, he's worth that just for the regular season success alone

All MAX contracts aren't created equal. Randle at $26M, which is what his MAX extension would be for, is what a player of his level costs. Even if you think he peaks as a 3rd option.

$26mil isnt even that much given the cap. There are players making over $40mil and over 40+ players in the league making over $26mil.

When you put it in perspective that he was making 20M a year before he ever even proved that he could play at an all-star level, or be on a winning team at all, or take a team to the playoffs, 25-26M is a bargain imo

[gavran]

These anti-tanking people are really out of their minds...

Tanking fails for small market/undesirable market teams... If you're in a big market you will be able to draft a star and keep him if you play it smart and keep enough cap room to sign other stars/complementary players.

NYC is cool, it's the capital of the world, but we don't present FAs with any foundation to join.

Miami drafted Wade, he brought LeBron and Bosh... GS drafted Curry, Klay, Draymond, they added Kevin Durant.

The Nets are, if anything, the supreme outlier. And Kyrie is one of the more eccentric stars the league has ever seen. Not sure how people are using them as a blueprint the Knicks should follow. Literally dependent on some weirdo deciding to join an empty roster and bringing his 6'10 All NBA gimp to join him.

New York isn't even the capital of the country it is situated in.

Act like you don't know what the f*** I'm talking about.

You must live in Albany.

I know what you are talking about. Duuuh New York fapfapfap. Wingo is Albanian.

[god shammgod]

Why do people act like tanking is foolproof?

That is the major flaw in their argument. It carries its own risks that people just want to gloss over.

it's not, it's just easier to get out of. you don't draft the guy you need you can just try again. start paying guys and you might be stuck for years.

It's just as easy to get out of as not paying the wrong guy though.

The issue is that nobody gets to tank all the time the same way that nobody gets to just keep not paying talent.

most people don't know that they're paying the wrong guy when they do

[Reign23]

as for Randle. He had an incredible year and improved a lot for sure. but even at the end of the regular season I thought his shooting is a bit fluky.
I think he is now a borderline allstar who can average around 20/10/5 on 44/37/80 every season (which is pretty good).
but not the player he was during this this one. he just had the shooting season of a lifetime imo.

[omerome]

Why do people act like tanking is foolproof?

That is the major flaw in their argument. It carries its own risks that people just want to gloss over.

Yup. Tanking = losing. Players who only know how to lose develop more losing habits and that hinders development. Look at the T'Wolves or the Kings. Perrenial losers in recent memory with all that talent on their rosters and once again hoping to get lucky in the lottery. I'd be tired as all heck going through that again.

Tanking is putting your hopes and dreams on a slim chance to not only hit on the lottery but to then hope the player you suffered through the prior year is truly worth it the next. Maybe I'm just getting old, but I've gotten tired of that.

[Oscirus]

The fact that you can't see that a quick, high scoring, shot creating PG is a bigger draw to FAs (not to mention, better to build around) in today's NBA than an undersized, unathletic PF who just added a 3 point shot this season tells me that you haven't actually watched any basketball in the past 5-6 years.

What major free agents has Trae attracted? Go ahead, I'll wait

Who will Julius attract if we sign him to an extension is the better question if you're a Knicks fan.

Clearly deductive reasoning is not your strong suit.

Trae embarrassed us, he was the best player on the court, and it wasn't even close.

If he was in NY, we'd have an actual draw for FA... we currently do not. But let's talk when the dreams of Dame and Kahwi turn into Lonzo and Lavine.

Bla bla bla. Your argument was that Trae attracted free agents. So who has he attracted so far? You made that argument not me

If you're really that impressed by Mr 27 points on 27 shots then you're easily impressed. Congrats

[GONYK]

it's not, it's just easier to get out of. you don't draft the guy you need you can just try again. start paying guys and you might be stuck for years.

It's just as easy to get out of as not paying the wrong guy though.

The issue is that nobody gets to tank all the time the same way that nobody gets to just keep not paying talent.

most people don't know that they're paying the wrong guy when they do

It's the same for drafting the wrong guy.

You're either potentially wasting massive amounts of time or massive amounts of money.

Money can be managed. Time is lost forever.