PG: Knicks-Hawks aka 1,2,3,Cancun! (Hawks win series 4-1)

[Oscirus]

Forgot to add: if the hawks didn't whine the whole series about the Knicks being a "dirty" team I'd actually have respect for them. They were the better team, no denying that but they acted like **** bitches the whole time. The Knicks had *zero* reputation as a dirty team coming into this series. Physical doesn't equal dirty. It was pathetic.

Would love to see them talk schit against Embiid. They’re in for a rude awakening.

It all depends on Embiid. If he misses more than one game, I'm picking ATL to win the series.

How atlanta gonna get off when simmons is gonna be in traes ass all game?

[Sark]

That's correct and why Mike Budenholzer wasn't a good fit.

The task was develop but tank respectively.

Then why give him a 5 year contract? If tanking was the goal, why not just keep Hornacek? Or just get someone like Herb Williams or Rambis to lead the tank?

Why pay a young coach $4m per year just to fire him after 1.25 seasons on a 5 year deal.

Why fire Steve Mills too? If the goal was tanking, then he did his job to perfection.

Because the fans complained loudly and chanted SELL THE TEAM!

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[NewKnicks]

You can argue Thibs was outcoached in this series, and I can't argue, BUT it's much easier to coach when you have the more talented team. The knicks got to 41 wins on heart, hustle, defense, cohesion, but not talent. In the playoffs it's always about talent..the only thing the playoffs made clear was how much more talent the knicks must bring in..with that said, the culture which had been stressed for so many years, has finally changed, the knicks are no longer the laughing stock. They have so much going for them right now, that it's hard for me to hear any knicks fan complaining. Besides establishing a culture change, but are armed and ready to bolster the talent this summer. Reaching the playoffs should no longer be the goal, but having a team able to win in the playoffs is the next step. Just that alone is incredible considering where the knicks have been for so long. It's a disappointing end to the season, but only a bright future ahead

I hate to say this, but it's back to LOL Knicks again. Outside of NY, everyone is laughing at the fake season we had, and that we have below average players filling up our roster. They're also laughing at the worst playoff performance since the shot clock era.

If I was a player who was considering the Knicks before the playoffs, I might have changed my mind after seeing that.

But, it is what it is. We're stuck with Randle. Now would be the worst time to trade him anyway, because of how much his stock probably has dropped after that series. And it was all 5 games. All 5. Who could have predicted that?? A choke job of unimaginable proportions.

[NewKnicks]

We were the 4th seed and all those teams missed the playoffs. How will the pacers leap frog us simply by virtue of having the 13th pick when we have 19 and 21? Unless they win the lottery. You think whatever rookie they take 13th is somehow putting them over the top and our picks will be useless?

Ok , Ro you are 1 of my favorite realgms on this board but I think you got the vuc trade wrong.

At the time of the trade vuc was averaging more points and Rebs than AD.

As someone who follows the bulls as well, it was a clear home run despite it not translating to wins.
WCJ and 2 1sts was below market value for a current all star. The bulls were in the playin at the time of the trade so their pick was kind of a wash at the time. They sucked down the stretch and it was on their coach bad rotations, sato had a worse effect on winning the Payton did for the knicks.

It was a win-now trade which was supposed to propel them from the play-in zone into the playoffs so it would appease Zach Lavine and not only did it not do that but they had an even worse win percentage after the trade? Something just doesn't add up there. Now they are possibly going to lose out on a valuable 8th pick, which they probably assumed would be a mid-1st rounder when they made the trade. Seems like a home run for Orlando to me. They sent the 2023 first, wendell carter and otto porter as well! I could see taking a wait and see approach but seeing as how they didn't get their intended result and were actually worse after the trade I'm not sure how you can call it a home run for the bulls. Vucevic is already about to turn 31 and hit the downside of his career.

Otto Porter hardly ever plays due to injuries, and Wendell Carter is a reserve big at best in the league. I've watched him his whole career. He's not a bust, but he's not going to be making any all-stars games any time soon. The only thing that matters in that trade is this year's first, which the Bulls could still keep if they get really lucky with the ping pong balls. Even if they don't, you gave up a player who is injured half the time (and not really that good when not), a reserve big, and 2 firsts. The Bulls also had a lot of injuries down the stretch, including Lavine missing more than 10 games (I think) because of Covid. The have a lot of talent on that squad, and should be much better next year after a full offseason of preparation to figure out how to best play Lavine and Vuc together. They also have Lauri who is pretty damn good, and a very young Patrick Williams. Don't count that trade as a bust just yet.

[Oscirus]

You can argue Thibs was outcoached in this series, and I can't argue, BUT it's much easier to coach when you have the more talented team. The knicks got to 41 wins on heart, hustle, defense, cohesion, but not talent. In the playoffs it's always about talent..the only thing the playoffs made clear was how much more talent the knicks must bring in..with that said, the culture which had been stressed for so many years, has finally changed, the knicks are no longer the laughing stock. They have so much going for them right now, that it's hard for me to hear any knicks fan complaining. Besides establishing a culture change, but are armed and ready to bolster the talent this summer. Reaching the playoffs should no longer be the goal, but having a team able to win in the playoffs is the next step. Just that alone is incredible considering where the knicks have been for so long. It's a disappointing end to the season, but only a bright future ahead

I hate to say this, but it's back to LOL Knicks again. Outside of NY, everyone is laughing at the fake season we had, and that we have below average players filling up our roster. They're also laughing at the worst playoff performance since the shot clock era.

If I was a player who was considering the Knicks before the playoffs, I might have changed my mind after seeing that.

But, it is what it is. We're stuck with Randle. Now would be the worst time to trade him anyway, because of how much his stock probably has dropped after that series. And it was all 5 games. All 5. Who could have predicted that?? A choke job of unimaginable proportions.

Now you just saying dumb **** just to say it. In what world is a team over performing an embarrassment? Just cuz they didnt perform to the standards that you expected doesnt mean they an embarrassment.

[robillionaire]

Ok , Ro you are 1 of my favorite realgms on this board but I think you got the vuc trade wrong.

At the time of the trade vuc was averaging more points and Rebs than AD.

As someone who follows the bulls as well, it was a clear home run despite it not translating to wins.
WCJ and 2 1sts was below market value for a current all star. The bulls were in the playin at the time of the trade so their pick was kind of a wash at the time. They sucked down the stretch and it was on their coach bad rotations, sato had a worse effect on winning the Payton did for the knicks.

It was a win-now trade which was supposed to propel them from the play-in zone into the playoffs so it would appease Zach Lavine and not only did it not do that but they had an even worse win percentage after the trade? Something just doesn't add up there. Now they are possibly going to lose out on a valuable 8th pick, which they probably assumed would be a mid-1st rounder when they made the trade. Seems like a home run for Orlando to me. They sent the 2023 first, wendell carter and otto porter as well! I could see taking a wait and see approach but seeing as how they didn't get their intended result and were actually worse after the trade I'm not sure how you can call it a home run for the bulls. Vucevic is already about to turn 31 and hit the downside of his career.

Otto Porter hardly ever plays due to injuries, and Wendell Carter is a reserve big at best in the league. I've watched him his whole career. He's not a bust, but he's not going to be making any all-stars games any time soon. The only thing that matters in that trade is this year's first, which the Bulls could still keep if they get really lucky with the ping pong balls. Even if they don't, you gave up a player who is injured half the time (and not really that good when not), a reserve big, and 2 firsts. The Bulls also had a lot of injuries down the stretch, including Lavine missing more than 10 games (I think) because of Covid. The have a lot of talent on that squad, and should be much better next year after a full offseason of preparation to figure out how to best play Lavine and Vuc together. They also have Lauri who is pretty damn good, and a very young Patrick Williams. Don't count that trade as a bust just yet.

Lauri is a free agent and I don’t think he’s coming back btw

[NewKnicks]

Ok , Ro you are 1 of my favorite realgms on this board but I think you got the vuc trade wrong.

At the time of the trade vuc was averaging more points and Rebs than AD.

As someone who follows the bulls as well, it was a clear home run despite it not translating to wins.
WCJ and 2 1sts was below market value for a current all star. The bulls were in the playin at the time of the trade so their pick was kind of a wash at the time. They sucked down the stretch and it was on their coach bad rotations, sato had a worse effect on winning the Payton did for the knicks.

It was a win-now trade which was supposed to propel them from the play-in zone into the playoffs so it would appease Zach Lavine and not only did it not do that but they had an even worse win percentage after the trade? Something just doesn't add up there. Now they are possibly going to lose out on a valuable 8th pick, which they probably assumed would be a mid-1st rounder when they made the trade. Seems like a home run for Orlando to me. They sent the 2023 first, wendell carter and otto porter as well! I could see taking a wait and see approach but seeing as how they didn't get their intended result and were actually worse after the trade I'm not sure how you can call it a home run for the bulls. Vucevic is already about to turn 31 and hit the downside of his career.

It was a win now move to the untrained eye. like the knicks the bulls needed a pointguard to win.
vuc was more about solidifying the roster and yes they gave up otto porter too who was an expiring coming off the bench at 20M + salary. WCJ was also off the bench, neither were guys who seemed to be in the picture long term and they consolidated for talent.

it being a bad trade is ALL hindsight considering their results after the trade.
At the time of the trade it was widely regarded as huge move.

What doesnt add up is that they benched cobe for no apparent reason and they played their worst stretch of the season.

The bulls should have been better after the trade. They got Vuc and Theis from Boston. Their pointguard play killed them.

Ok a potential 8th pick is valuable but the consolation prize is a legit nba allstar. Its hard to have buyers remorse on that.

For an 8th pick which is deemed the most valuable part of the trade, vuc is arguably the best player in the trade and 1 of the few teams in the conference with 2 current allstars.

the stupid Hocks have Zero. The Bulls gave themselves a competitve advantage and the coached gaffed it. If the Bulls get their act together they can be a problem.


Meaning the knicks might got to to deal with that at some point. Zach and Vuc are arguably better than the knicks top 2 guys, so what im trying to say its far from stupid. Maybe it wasnt homerun now, at the time i thought it was a clear homerun.

Anyone arguing that didn't watch the series. Lavine and Vuc are EASILY better than anything we have. It's not even close with Lavine, and Vuc is a multi-year All Star who puts up regular season Randle type numbers.

[NewKnicks]

Would love to see them talk schit against Embiid. They’re in for a rude awakening.

It all depends on Embiid. If he misses more than one game, I'm picking ATL to win the series.

How atlanta gonna get off when simmons is gonna be in traes ass all game?

We'll find out soon enough. What has Philly done in past years to be anointed the next great team? ATL really impressed me with all their talented youth, and their ability to shoot the ball. Then you throw in a 3 level superstar in Trae. We'll see.

And Simmons is WAY too slow to keep up with Trae. Trae will run circles around him.

[NewKnicks]

You can argue Thibs was outcoached in this series, and I can't argue, BUT it's much easier to coach when you have the more talented team. The knicks got to 41 wins on heart, hustle, defense, cohesion, but not talent. In the playoffs it's always about talent..the only thing the playoffs made clear was how much more talent the knicks must bring in..with that said, the culture which had been stressed for so many years, has finally changed, the knicks are no longer the laughing stock. They have so much going for them right now, that it's hard for me to hear any knicks fan complaining. Besides establishing a culture change, but are armed and ready to bolster the talent this summer. Reaching the playoffs should no longer be the goal, but having a team able to win in the playoffs is the next step. Just that alone is incredible considering where the knicks have been for so long. It's a disappointing end to the season, but only a bright future ahead

I hate to say this, but it's back to LOL Knicks again. Outside of NY, everyone is laughing at the fake season we had, and that we have below average players filling up our roster. They're also laughing at the worst playoff performance since the shot clock era.

If I was a player who was considering the Knicks before the playoffs, I might have changed my mind after seeing that.

But, it is what it is. We're stuck with Randle. Now would be the worst time to trade him anyway, because of how much his stock probably has dropped after that series. And it was all 5 games. All 5. Who could have predicted that?? A choke job of unimaginable proportions.

Now you just saying dumb **** just to say it. In what world is a team over performing an embarrassment? Just cuz they didnt perform to the standards that you expected doesnt mean they an embarrassment.

Because I have the ability to look at things without Knicks colored glasses on. People are taking shots at them everywhere.

[NewKnicks]

It was a win-now trade which was supposed to propel them from the play-in zone into the playoffs so it would appease Zach Lavine and not only did it not do that but they had an even worse win percentage after the trade? Something just doesn't add up there. Now they are possibly going to lose out on a valuable 8th pick, which they probably assumed would be a mid-1st rounder when they made the trade. Seems like a home run for Orlando to me. They sent the 2023 first, wendell carter and otto porter as well! I could see taking a wait and see approach but seeing as how they didn't get their intended result and were actually worse after the trade I'm not sure how you can call it a home run for the bulls. Vucevic is already about to turn 31 and hit the downside of his career.

Otto Porter hardly ever plays due to injuries, and Wendell Carter is a reserve big at best in the league. I've watched him his whole career. He's not a bust, but he's not going to be making any all-stars games any time soon. The only thing that matters in that trade is this year's first, which the Bulls could still keep if they get really lucky with the ping pong balls. Even if they don't, you gave up a player who is injured half the time (and not really that good when not), a reserve big, and 2 firsts. The Bulls also had a lot of injuries down the stretch, including Lavine missing more than 10 games (I think) because of Covid. The have a lot of talent on that squad, and should be much better next year after a full offseason of preparation to figure out how to best play Lavine and Vuc together. They also have Lauri who is pretty damn good, and a very young Patrick Williams. Don't count that trade as a bust just yet.

Lauri is a free agent and I don’t think he’s coming back btw

Bulls will match any offer. Now that they have Vuc and have committed to winning now, they won't let Lauri go.

[NewKnicks]

Watch on YouTube

You called it with Rose. He looked like he just gave in and said we're not going to win, and I'm not going to kill myself trying for a team that just doesn't have it. This series might have cost us Rose next year too. We'll see.

[Oscirus]

I hate to say this, but it's back to LOL Knicks again. Outside of NY, everyone is laughing at the fake season we had, and that we have below average players filling up our roster. They're also laughing at the worst playoff performance since the shot clock era.

If I was a player who was considering the Knicks before the playoffs, I might have changed my mind after seeing that.

But, it is what it is. We're stuck with Randle. Now would be the worst time to trade him anyway, because of how much his stock probably has dropped after that series. And it was all 5 games. All 5. Who could have predicted that?? A choke job of unimaginable proportions.

Now you just saying dumb **** just to say it. In what world is a team over performing an embarrassment? Just cuz they didnt perform to the standards that you expected doesnt mean they an embarrassment.

Because I have the ability to look at things without Knicks colored glasses on. People are taking shots at them everywhere.

This aint about rose colored glasses, they over-achieved. media **** talks knicks all the time doesnt change that fact in this instance

[robillionaire]

Otto Porter hardly ever plays due to injuries, and Wendell Carter is a reserve big at best in the league. I've watched him his whole career. He's not a bust, but he's not going to be making any all-stars games any time soon. The only thing that matters in that trade is this year's first, which the Bulls could still keep if they get really lucky with the ping pong balls. Even if they don't, you gave up a player who is injured half the time (and not really that good when not), a reserve big, and 2 firsts. The Bulls also had a lot of injuries down the stretch, including Lavine missing more than 10 games (I think) because of Covid. The have a lot of talent on that squad, and should be much better next year after a full offseason of preparation to figure out how to best play Lavine and Vuc together. They also have Lauri who is pretty damn good, and a very young Patrick Williams. Don't count that trade as a bust just yet.

Lauri is a free agent and I don’t think he’s coming back btw

Bulls will match any offer. Now that they have Vuc and have committed to winning now, they won't let Lauri go.

I do think they will let him go, but not for nothing, recently reported he wants to go to Dallas, they might send him in a sign and trade. I don’t think he’s a good fit on the bulls as constructed anyway. But we will see

[NewKnicks]

Beal seems like the guy they will try to get especially with the WWW connection

You might be right, but the problem with that is he's not coming cheap. With the going rate for stars, we'll be emptying the roster and future draft picks to get him.

I don't have the answers so maybe a Beal/Randle tandem is a good start. And you can say goodbye to RJ too in that deal.

[Fat Kat]

Would love to see them talk schit against Embiid. They’re in for a rude awakening.

It all depends on Embiid. If he misses more than one game, I'm picking ATL to win the series.

How atlanta gonna get off when simmons is gonna be in traes ass all game?

That’s up to the refs. I saw Trae Young run full speed into Rose. Foul on Rose. Impossible to defend that

[NewKnicks]

"i'm sick of losing in the 1st round, let me join the knicks". make it make sense.

While Windhorst declined to name a specific All-Star player, he added that he has guesses about which players could potentially be lured to play in the Big Apple. He cited several reasons as to why players would want to play for the Knicks, from its status as one of the league’s biggest markets, the team’s collection of draft picks, and sizeable cap space that could be used to sign more players.

"Here's the thing," said Brian Windhorst on his podcast. "They have one of the top former agents in the league running the organization in Leon Rose.

"Their number two in their team, I'm not sure what Wes Wesley's title is, but his speciality is relationship building with players. Even if it has waned a little bit as he's gotten older, his speciality is relationship building. And I don't want to say 'backroom dealing' because that implies that it is sinister. But he's known for working in the shadows.

"They play in New York City. They have an abundance of draft picks, young assets and cap space.

"The only sort of flaw in here is I'm not sure every player wants to play for Thibs, but there are some who like them.

"I say within the next 12 months a star, slash, superstar player demands a trade to New York. And I don't know who it's going to be. I have some guesses. I'm not going to say right here. I'll let you guys start thinking about that. Let's just put it this way: league executives certainly have some guesses.

I'll stick with history, rather than Brian Windhorst's opinion. For one reason or another, nobody has wanted to come here. I'll take a wait and see attitude on if that has changed. My gut says no. Players know Dolan's an idiot, then you have the NY media, and now you have to take into account what just happened in the playoffs, and what type of talent do the Knicks really have. Why would somebody like Kawhi leave his home to come into a situation to where he would be expected to lead the Knicks franchise to a championship? And that's exactly what the expectations would be if he came here.

Like others have said, it's just a pipedream. If you like to live in that fantasy world, that's cool by me. But I just can't see a situation that Kawhi, Dame or Beal would want to come here.

I've stated maybe we could get Dame, especially if they lose tonight, but the more I think about it, he'll just nix the trade. Dame of all players wants to win now. He doesn't want to join a franchise that has significantly less talent than the one he's leaving.

[Oscirus]

It all depends on Embiid. If he misses more than one game, I'm picking ATL to win the series.

How atlanta gonna get off when simmons is gonna be in traes ass all game?

We'll find out soon enough. What has Philly done in past years to be anointed the next great team? ATL really impressed me with all their talented youth, and their ability to shoot the ball. Then you throw in a 3 level superstar in Trae. We'll see.

And Simmons is WAY too slow to keep up with Trae. Trae will run circles around him.

Finished 1 over both the bucks and nets this season for one, what have the hawks done?

[The Vo Show]

You can argue Thibs was outcoached in this series, and I can't argue, BUT it's much easier to coach when you have the more talented team. The knicks got to 41 wins on heart, hustle, defense, cohesion, but not talent. In the playoffs it's always about talent..the only thing the playoffs made clear was how much more talent the knicks must bring in..with that said, the culture which had been stressed for so many years, has finally changed, the knicks are no longer the laughing stock. They have so much going for them right now, that it's hard for me to hear any knicks fan complaining. Besides establishing a culture change, but are armed and ready to bolster the talent this summer. Reaching the playoffs should no longer be the goal, but having a team able to win in the playoffs is the next step. Just that alone is incredible considering where the knicks have been for so long. It's a disappointing end to the season, but only a bright future ahead

I hate to say this, but it's back to LOL Knicks again. Outside of NY, everyone is laughing at the fake season we had, and that we have below average players filling up our roster. They're also laughing at the worst playoff performance since the shot clock era.

If I was a player who was considering the Knicks before the playoffs, I might have changed my mind after seeing that.

But, it is what it is. We're stuck with Randle. Now would be the worst time to trade him anyway, because of how much his stock probably has dropped after that series. And it was all 5 games. All 5. Who could have predicted that?? A choke job of unimaginable proportions.

Worst playoff performance since the shot clock error? There have been so many sweeps... how can you say those are better playoff performances than a 4-1 loss?

And outside of NY, its consistently been "LOL Knicks" even before this playoff so, not sure why that would change. I'm pretty sure even if we beat the Hawks and then got swept by the 6ers, it would have still been LOL Knicks. Who is this fake NY fan? Why in the world would a Chicagoan be a Knicks fan?

[robillionaire]

Beal seems like the guy they will try to get especially with the WWW connection

You might be right, but the problem with that is he's not coming cheap. With the going rate for stars, we'll be emptying the roster and future draft picks to get him.

I don't have the answers so maybe a Beal/Randle tandem is a good start. And you can say goodbye to RJ too in that deal.

Beal shot 21% (7-32) from 3 in 5 games against Philly btw. As bad as Randle was and as much **** as he’s getting he shot 11-33 (33%) in the playoffs. I don’t want to give anything for Beal. Not even RJ lol

[Fat Kat]

You can argue Thibs was outcoached in this series, and I can't argue, BUT it's much easier to coach when you have the more talented team. The knicks got to 41 wins on heart, hustle, defense, cohesion, but not talent. In the playoffs it's always about talent..the only thing the playoffs made clear was how much more talent the knicks must bring in..with that said, the culture which had been stressed for so many years, has finally changed, the knicks are no longer the laughing stock. They have so much going for them right now, that it's hard for me to hear any knicks fan complaining. Besides establishing a culture change, but are armed and ready to bolster the talent this summer. Reaching the playoffs should no longer be the goal, but having a team able to win in the playoffs is the next step. Just that alone is incredible considering where the knicks have been for so long. It's a disappointing end to the season, but only a bright future ahead

I hate to say this, but it's back to LOL Knicks again. Outside of NY, everyone is laughing at the fake season we had, and that we have below average players filling up our roster. They're also laughing at the worst playoff performance since the shot clock era.

If I was a player who was considering the Knicks before the playoffs, I might have changed my mind after seeing that.

But, it is what it is. We're stuck with Randle. Now would be the worst time to trade him anyway, because of how much his stock probably has dropped after that series. And it was all 5 games. All 5. Who could have predicted that?? A choke job of unimaginable proportions.

Worst playoff performance since the shot clock error? There have been so many sweeps... how can you say those are better playoff performances than a 4-1 loss?

And outside of NY, its consistently been "LOL Knicks" even before this playoff so, not sure why that would change. I'm pretty sure even if we beat the Hawks and then got swept by the 6ers, it would have still been LOL Knicks. Who is this fake NY fan? Why in the world would a Chicagoan be a Knicks fan?

The hall monitors here let the knuckleheads run loose. There are a few of these troll accounts that have popped up strictly for sh*tposting purposes. Ignore them if you can