MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

[oreon]

Im on board with trading everyone on the roster for Kawhi Leonard ang build form there

You don't have to, we have cap space

[marson]

Bam, Herro, and filler for Dame.

Sign Kawhi

Having Jimmy, Kawhi, and Dame as the stars means the rest will figure itself out.

This is the right price for it. They will have Bam locked for the next 4/5 years. But do we have enough picks to get it done?

Though Sixers offer around Simmons may get it done for them.

[BFRESH44]

Love Dragon, but at $20M per, no thank you.
Love Duncan too, but at $18-20M per, no thank you.
K.Nunn at $15M, no thank you.

We need to stop overpaying our players limiting the ability to add players to stretch the floor for Bam and Jimmy.

I know Evan Fournier is gonna get paid but I would rather pay him the $18-20M than any of our own FA. His defense leaves a bit to be desired, but HEAT coaching can help that.

Dragic is good as gone at his current cap hit.

But here’s the thing. There’s salary cap machinations regarding Duncan and Nunn, that make it beneficial to keep them.

If you were to come to quick agreements with Nunn and Duncan, because they are early bird free agents, their cap holds can be made as low as 1.7 million a piece(if their qualifying offers are rescinded). So $3.4 million for the total of them, while you can use up to approximately $27 million in cap space, and the ability to exceed the cap with re-signing them. That is not the case with Fournier, who would immediately sink your cap the moment you sign him.

So that’s going to be interesting to see what the decision makers do. I’d say it’s still a decent shot they bring both back. For better or worse.

I think that's a cap violation. Once an agreement is reached with a player, it has to be reported to the NBA and the cap space is tied up.

Lol ehh it’s really not. It’s an order or operations type of affair. And there is always a “legal tampering” window with your own free agents.

[contract]

Im on board with trading everyone on the roster for Kawhi Leonard ang build form there

You don't have to, we have cap space

Not to sign him. Not after we gave Bam his extension.

[dagger151]

Dame Time in Miami. Pipe dream, but a wet one too! Never say never, I just dont see how we can pull it off. Ill trade ANYONE on our team for Dame. Portland cant be that stupid.

[Kobewade11]

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[eddieheatfan]

If Zo survived and thrived playing against Shaq, Ewing, Olajuwon, Robinson, Duncan, Sabonis, Mutombo, and a ton of other bigger guys, I think Bam can survive vs the current crop of centers.

Bam needs to grow a pair and take the open 10 footers or he's going to be useless on offense at any position.

Bam needs to own the mid range, regardless of what position he plays. He has to grow the scoring part of his game, that's his first and only priority.


But if you listen very carefully to Pat, you can sense he wants to nudge Spo into play bigger. I think smallball won't work without having multipole ELITE wings/guards. We don't have that at all.

My sense it that we're heading to a complete overhaul - Everyone expet Jimmy and Bam are very available for trades.

Herro is the biggest X factor, I'm a bit down on him but IF he can make a jump and become a better consistent scorer, that would be crucial in our quest to contending.

Pat is an oldhead. I hope Spo pushes back.

This team lacks talent and Pat has to take responsibility for that. And if Pat wants to go big he needs to find big talent, not insist that Spo plays Bam with some imaginary big that he hasn't drafted or signed. And maybe don't draft an even smaller "big" than Bam and then wonder why you're playing small.

Pat literally traded away Olynyk for a broken down guard and then complains that we're playing too small?

[gom]

The only thing I can say for sure is that this GMing thing is a lot harder than looks. The NBA needs to get rid of some of these stupid arbitrary rules.

These nitpicking details are the bread & butter of the Heat FO. We're good at this. For now we need to keep the stupid arbitrary rules.

[MettaWorldPanda]

SAS talks out of his ass. He loves to throw our name out for any top player available. Slim to none chance we have a shot at either Dame or Leonard. 29 other teams exist in the NBA and many of them with better talent and assets they can offer. Right now our main pieces under contract are Bam,Bulter, and Herro. Two projects in Achuiwa and Okpala. And one draft pick that’s tradeable for 7 years.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Leonard would essentially have to take a huge pay cut to come here. He’s staying with the Clippers. He wanted LA he’s staying in LA. Any other talk is just for clicks and media hype.

[Kobewade11]

SAS talks out of his ass. He loves to throw our name out for any top player available. Slim to none chance we have a shot at either Dame or Leonard. 29 other teams exist in the NBA and many of them with better talent and assets they can offer. Right now our main pieces under contract are Bam,Bulter, and Herro. Two projects in Achuiwa and Okpala. And one draft pick that tradeable for 7 years.

In another clip he said there are people in Dame's circle that want him to ask out. The shot is if he goes to management to request a trade and we make "the list". If that's the case you don't have to compete with 29 other offers but probably 3-5. In general I agree that both Dame and Leonard are long shots, Leonard even more so than Dame.

[MettaWorldPanda]

SAS talks out of his ass. He loves to throw our name out for any top player available. Slim to none chance we have a shot at either Dame or Leonard. 29 other teams exist in the NBA and many of them with better talent and assets they can offer. Right now our main pieces under contract are Bam,Bulter, and Herro. Two projects in Achuiwa and Okpala. And one draft pick that tradeable for 7 years.

In another clip he said there are people in Dame's circle that want him to ask out. The shot is if he goes to management to request a trade and we make "the list". If that's the case you don't have to compete with 29 other offers but probably 3-5. In general I agree that both Dame and Leonard are long shots, Leonard even more so than Dame.

Dame could form a list but Portland not trading him unless it’s for a massive haul. He signed that contract. Blazers have all the power. What’s he going to do hold out?

[Kobewade11]

SAS talks out of his ass. He loves to throw our name out for any top player available. Slim to none chance we have a shot at either Dame or Leonard. 29 other teams exist in the NBA and many of them with better talent and assets they can offer. Right now our main pieces under contract are Bam,Bulter, and Herro. Two projects in Achuiwa and Okpala. And one draft pick that tradeable for 7 years.

In another clip he said there are people in Dame's circle that want him to ask out. The shot is if he goes to management to request a trade and we make "the list". If that's the case you don't have to compete with 29 other offers but probably 3-5. In general I agree that both Dame and Leonard are long shots, Leonard even more so than Dame.

Dame could form a list but Portland not trading him unless it’s for a massive haul. He signed that contract. Blazers have all the power. What’s he going to do hold out?

The same was said about James Harden and Houston and in the end all they got was picks and a rental of Victor Oladipo. Dame is a pro's pro so I wouldn't expect him to act a fool like Harden did, but there's a precedent for players getting out if they really want out.

[MettaWorldPanda]

In another clip he said there are people in Dame's circle that want him to ask out. The shot is if he goes to management to request a trade and we make "the list". If that's the case you don't have to compete with 29 other offers but probably 3-5. In general I agree that both Dame and Leonard are long shots, Leonard even more so than Dame.

Dame could form a list but Portland not trading him unless it’s for a massive haul. He signed that contract. Blazers have all the power. What’s he going to do hold out?

The same was said about James Harden and Houston and in the end all they got was picks and a rental of Victor Oladipo. Dame is a pro's pro so I wouldn't expect him to act a fool like Harden did, but there's a precedent for players getting out if they really want out.

I don’t see any ties that bring him to Miami. If anything it’s an LA team or another suitor close to a chip on the West Coast. It will come down to assets. A replacement PG and multiple 1st. San Antonio is about as far East I think he’ll come and they have the assets to pull something big off.

[Flash4thewin]

In another clip he said there are people in Dame's circle that want him to ask out. The shot is if he goes to management to request a trade and we make "the list". If that's the case you don't have to compete with 29 other offers but probably 3-5. In general I agree that both Dame and Leonard are long shots, Leonard even more so than Dame.

Dame could form a list but Portland not trading him unless it’s for a massive haul. He signed that contract. Blazers have all the power. What’s he going to do hold out?

The same was said about James Harden and Houston and in the end all they got was picks and a rental of Victor Oladipo. Dame is a pro's pro so I wouldn't expect him to act a fool like Harden did, but there's a precedent for players getting out if they really want out.

What if Butler demands out (only if we dont pay him what he wants) Just imagine how little we would get from him. Say he puts the Knicks or Clippers on his list, the trash we would get offered lol

[MettaWorldPanda]

All the Spurs have to do is put Dejounte Murray in play who's from the Pacific North West with multiple first round picks and they probably get the Blazers attention.

[dagger151]

Hate to say it but the Knicks could pry Dame away. Just imagine how different his image and respect would be if he was in NY. Id be annoyed as I hate the Knicks. As good as we all know Dame is, he doesnt get much pub out of Portland. In NY or LA, he would be elevated to top 3 (even though i think he already is personally) and his brand would take off. Same can be said about Miami for career building, but we simply dont have the assets to land him. This isnt a Harden situation at all. Dame is loyal and a pro, cant see him causing problems.

[oreon]

In another clip he said there are people in Dame's circle that want him to ask out. The shot is if he goes to management to request a trade and we make "the list". If that's the case you don't have to compete with 29 other offers but probably 3-5. In general I agree that both Dame and Leonard are long shots, Leonard even more so than Dame.

Dame could form a list but Portland not trading him unless it’s for a massive haul. He signed that contract. Blazers have all the power. What’s he going to do hold out?

The same was said about James Harden and Houston and in the end all they got was picks and a rental of Victor Oladipo. Dame is a pro's pro so I wouldn't expect him to act a fool like Harden did, but there's a precedent for players getting out if they really want out.

He doesn't have to pull the James Harden antics but if Dame publicly says he wants he will be traded. It's up to him whether he wants to do that and face backlash from the Portland fans or continue to be the good soldier

[twix2500]

Dame made it clear that he is not trying to switch teams for the past two years. SAS is trying to pressure him

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[BenoUdrihFTL]

Outside of including Butler or Bam I can't see us having any realistic shot at Dame. Just for brutal perspective: a team like the Warriors could offer their 2021 lottery pick + future picks + Wolves lottery pick + Wiseman + Wiggins to make the numbers work. That's the kinda draft capital haul a rebuilding Portland would need to move on from their franchise player, Dame is from Oakland and I assume would love the trade, and Warriors would be kinda crazy to pass on a Steph/Dame/Klay/Dray superteam that would likely vault them to consensus favorites out West

Meanwhile we could offer Herro + DRob s&t + Gabe Vincent + a few FRPs 20 years from now lol