2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[billy_hoyle]

24 year old two way star who's averaged 25/6/3 on 48/40 shooting.... yeah no chance in hell the Celtics do this.

Do they do it for the 1st, 2nd or 3rd pick?

It saves them money to attack FA.

Yeah I'm guessing Boston won't do it because Brown is pretty legit on a good contract, and despite the potential of a top 4 pick, it can still be a bust.

If the raps have the option to pick Cade/Green, I probably wouldn't do it for the Raps even for Brown. As good as Brown is I don't think he'll be a top 10 player, and we need those to win a championship.

See. Theres the line. Toronto fans don't trade Green or Cade because too much potential, Boston doesn't trade cause could still be a bust. I think that's when you know the trade value is pretty fair. When neither team would make the trade

[Psubs]

Boston should just trade Kemba to the Knicks who don't have any big contracts.

[tecumseh18]

With the Celtics front office shake up, if we get the fourth pick... Can we trade it for Jaylen Brown?

Baynes, Hood and the 4th

Lowry, FVV, Flynn
Brown, GTJ, Harris
OG, Watson, Bembry
Siakam, Boucher
MLE, Birch (BAE), Gillespie
+2 2nds

Baynes' and Hood's contracts have zero value until they're guaranteed for next season. And no-one's going to guarantee them at those salaries. They'd have negative value as assets, so Raps would have to add an extra pick at least.

I can see the pick (top 3 protected) plus Boucher for Brown. We'd absorb Brown's contract into our cap space. Helps Celtics with their cap situation to resign Fournier.

[Psubs]

What about Gorgui Dieng on a 1 year deal like Baynes'?

[Blood Orange]

Trade idea

Raptors out: Kyle Lowry (S+T, 20 mil. x 2)
Raptors in: Steve Adams + #10 2021 FRP

New Orleans out: Steve Adams + #10 2021 FRP
New Orleans in: Kyle Lowry (S+T, 20 mil. x 2)


Why for Raptors?
Raptors get a starting 5 for the interim (Adams contract is only for 2 years x 17 mil. after this) to allow Gillespie and Birch time to further develop and also acquire an additional draft pick now to potentially select 2 star studded players (Maybe, Keon + Springer, or Moody + Mitchell, or Barnes + Bouknight) in a loaded draft this year.

Why for Pelicans?
They get a real Championship caliber experienced PG to run the offence, a solid playmaker, and can also play off ball with Lonzo (If they re-sign him) as the primary ball handler.

[tecumseh18]

What about Gorgui Dieng on a 1 year deal like Baynes'?

I wish Dieng showed something in his Spurs stint, but he really didn't. Is he still hurt?

[hyper316]

Trade idea

Raptors out: Kyle Lowry (S+T, 20 mil. x 2)
Raptors in: Steve Adams + #10 2021 FRP

New Orleans out: Steve Adams + #10 2021 FRP
New Orleans in: Kyle Lowry (S+T, 20 mil. x 2)


Why for Raptors?
Raptors get a starting 5 for the interim (Adams contract is only for 2 years x 17 mil. after this) to allow Gillespie and Birch time to further develop and also acquire an additional draft pick now to potentially select 2 star studded players (Maybe, Keon + Springer, or Moody + Mitchell, or Barnes + Bouknight) in a loaded draft this year.

Why for Pelicans?
They get a real Championship caliber experienced PG to run the offence, a solid playmaker, and can also play off ball with Lonzo (If they re-sign him) as the primary ball handler.

You forgot "Why for Lowry?"

Lowry has to agree to sign and trade to NO, which he won't unless he gets Chris Paul money

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I like Nurkic but he's injured all the time.

Besides if I'm Portland, I'm looking for a starting SF/PF type and I'm not moving OG or Siakam for Nurkic so I don't see a deal happening.

But Portland needs to make a move. Desperately.

[Rapsfan07]

Trade idea

Raptors out: Kyle Lowry (S+T, 20 mil. x 2)
Raptors in: Steve Adams + #10 2021 FRP

New Orleans out: Steve Adams + #10 2021 FRP
New Orleans in: Kyle Lowry (S+T, 20 mil. x 2)


Why for Raptors?
Raptors get a starting 5 for the interim (Adams contract is only for 2 years x 17 mil. after this) to allow Gillespie and Birch time to further develop and also acquire an additional draft pick now to potentially select 2 star studded players (Maybe, Keon + Springer, or Moody + Mitchell, or Barnes + Bouknight) in a loaded draft this year.

Why for Pelicans?
They get a real Championship caliber experienced PG to run the offence, a solid playmaker, and can also play off ball with Lonzo (If they re-sign him) as the primary ball handler.

If there's a S&T to be done, I prefer it to be done around Ball and Vanvleet. Vanvleet is young, a great shooter and exactly what that team needs.

Vanvleet for Ball, Bledsoe and one or two picks is good for everyone. We get younger and pick up some rebuilding pieces for the future.

[MessiahUjiri]

All right so this is a sign and trade deal which requires Kyle Lowry to want to go to the clippers to re-join Kawhi and Ibaka.

Clips have no cap room, but do have an outgoing salary + incentive to make this happen. Here’s the deal:


Kyle Lowry

for

Pat Beverly and Ivica Zubac


New clips:
Lowry / George / Kawhi / Morris / Ibaka
Sixth men: Rondo and Kennard
Sign another vet big for the min

New Raps:
Van Vleet / Trent / OG / Siakam / Zubac
Flynn / Beverly / Bembry / Boucher / Birch
Sign someone with MLE (Fournier?), and add a top 10 pick


That’s a second round team, with future upside. Feels like the Masai move is not to rush into bad deals. This keeps our cap clean, and we’d be players at the deadline and next years FA.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

All right so this is a sign and trade deal which requires Kyle Lowry to want to go to the clippers to re-join Kawhi and Ibaka.

Clips have no cap room, but do have an outgoing salary + incentive to make this happen. Here’s the deal:


Kyle Lowry

for

Pat Beverly and Ivica Zubac


New clips:
Lowry / George / Kawhi / Morris / Ibaka
Sixth men: Rondo and Kennard
Sign another vet big for the min

New Raps:
Van Vleet / Trent / OG / Siakam / Zubac
Flynn / Beverly / Bembry / Boucher / Birch
Sign someone with MLE (Fournier?), and add a top 10 pick


That’s a second round team, with future upside. Feels like the Masai move is not to rush into bad deals. This keeps our cap clean, and we’d be players at the deadline and next years FA.

i'm fine with this trade. we get our center and we give KLow a chance to team up with the Klaw and a another championship run.

[douggood]

All right so this is a sign and trade deal which requires Kyle Lowry to want to go to the clippers to re-join Kawhi and Ibaka.

Clips have no cap room, but do have an outgoing salary + incentive to make this happen. Here’s the deal:


Kyle Lowry

for

Pat Beverly and Ivica Zubac


New clips:
Lowry / George / Kawhi / Morris / Ibaka
Sixth men: Rondo and Kennard
Sign another vet big for the min

New Raps:
Van Vleet / Trent / OG / Siakam / Zubac
Flynn / Beverly / Bembry / Boucher / Birch
Sign someone with MLE (Fournier?), and add a top 10 pick


That’s a second round team, with future upside. Feels like the Masai move is not to rush into bad deals. This keeps our cap clean, and we’d be players at the deadline and next years FA.

i'm fine with this trade. we get our center and we give KLow a chance to team up with the Klaw and a another championship run.

zubac who is negative this series, is getting played off the floor
beverly is a negative salary asset

i rather take 19 mil cap space than that. I would need atleast a 1st + another small asset to consider it.

[tecumseh18]

All right so this is a sign and trade deal which requires Kyle Lowry to want to go to the clippers to re-join Kawhi and Ibaka.

Clips have no cap room, but do have an outgoing salary + incentive to make this happen. Here’s the deal:


Kyle Lowry

for

Pat Beverly and Ivica Zubac

i'm fine with this trade. we get our center and we give KLow a chance to team up with the Klaw and a another championship run.

But, this deal could easily have happened at the deadline. It didn't because it's not nearly enough for the Raps.

The only thing that's different now is that Clippers can send us their 2021 FRP (#25). They'd have to select for us at the draft, and then send the un-signed player when the deal is consummated.

Another reason Kyle might like the Clippers - he's very tight with Ty Lue.

But personally, I'd rather deal with the Lakers for their #21 pick. But matching salaries will be harder. KCP + Marc(?)

[DangerZone13]

If there's a S&T to be done, I prefer it to be done around Ball and Vanvleet. Vanvleet is young, a great shooter and exactly what that team needs.

Vanvleet for Ball, Bledsoe and one or two picks is good for everyone. We get younger and pick up some rebuilding pieces for the future.

In that scenario, I don't think you're accounting for Ball's new contract. We'll say he gets what, $16-17M? Without Bledsoe in, does NO give up a pick?

[DangerZone13]

I'm wondering if we can swap Boucher, #44 and #46 to the Knicks for #21 and #32?

They're going to need to start convincing Barrett he wants to stay there, and perhaps another Canadian helps him. Boucher is also one of the best value contracts in the league, and 2 second round guys, which helps a team looking to utilize it's massive cap space, that will have only 6 players under contract. He's also an expiring, so if they want to roll back their capspace another year, he fits and gives them something else to help make another playoff run.

For the Raptors, this is a slight step back in terms of a current talent that is expiring, to take a couple shots at guys who fall in this deep draft that won't make it down to 44, 46.

[Syd-TK3]

There's literally no good/potential sign and trade options for Kyle outside of the same 3 teams that passed on him already. Miami also can just sign him straight up

[LBJKB24MJ23]

All right so this is a sign and trade deal which requires Kyle Lowry to want to go to the clippers to re-join Kawhi and Ibaka.

Clips have no cap room, but do have an outgoing salary + incentive to make this happen. Here’s the deal:


Kyle Lowry

for

Pat Beverly and Ivica Zubac

i'm fine with this trade. we get our center and we give KLow a chance to team up with the Klaw and a another championship run.

But, this deal could easily have happened at the deadline. It didn't because it's not nearly enough for the Raps.

The only thing that's different now is that Clippers can send us their 2021 FRP (#25). They'd have to select for us at the draft, and then send the un-signed player when the deal is consummated.

Another reason Kyle might like the Clippers - he's very tight with Ty Lue.

But personally, I'd rather deal with the Lakers for their #21 pick. But matching salaries will be harder. KCP + Marc(?)

well we don't know what happened or what was talked about. Raptors aren't in the driver's seat on this aspect. Miami pivoted and got Oladipo on the cheap. well unlucky for them Oladipo got hurt, but I would have done the same if Raps were asking for core piece in Herro. (Heat were willing to trade Robinson it seems)

i just hope Lowry gives us the chance to sign and trade him. dude can just bolt.

[DreamTeam09]

All right so this is a sign and trade deal which requires Kyle Lowry to want to go to the clippers to re-join Kawhi and Ibaka.

Clips have no cap room, but do have an outgoing salary + incentive to make this happen. Here’s the deal:


Kyle Lowry

for

Pat Beverly and Ivica Zubac


New clips:
Lowry / George / Kawhi / Morris / Ibaka
Sixth men: Rondo and Kennard
Sign another vet big for the min

New Raps:
Van Vleet / Trent / OG / Siakam / Zubac
Flynn / Beverly / Bembry / Boucher / Birch
Sign someone with MLE (Fournier?), and add a top 10 pick


That’s a second round team, with future upside. Feels like the Masai move is not to rush into bad deals. This keeps our cap clean, and we’d be players at the deadline and next years FA.

i'm fine with this trade. we get our center and we give KLow a chance to team up with the Klaw and a another championship run.

zubac who is negative this series, is getting played off the floor
beverly is a negative salary asset

i rather take 19 mil cap space than that. I would need atleast a 1st + another small asset to consider it.

I agree i'd want a pick as well, but i'm not mad at Zubac. We can find another 5 to close out games for us or use Boucher or Pascal. Zubac starting and eating up some valuable minutes while protecting the paint is what we need currently.

[tecumseh18]

i just hope Lowry gives us the chance to sign and trade him. dude can just bolt.

But if he wants salary from a contender, then he has to work with us. Lowry doesn't care if Lakers or Clippers lose a draft pick and some overpaid scrub to bring him in.

Contenders are generally in the tax, and can only pay up to the taxpayer MLE, which is half the regular MLE.

OTOH, Heat (and Knicks) have cap space to sign Kyle outright. But (a) are they contenders? and (b) is a guy who'll be 36 next playoffs how they want to spend their cap space?