Damian Lillard

[BugginOut]

This win a chip or nothing else matters is annoying. only 1 team wins a ring, and the nets who have a big 3 might not even get there this year with the bucks being a tough test, would that mean it's a mistake for them to get harden. The knicks aren't going from 41 wins to a championship. How about getting Dame, being a really good team and then see if we can keep adding pieces. If the knicks can get Dame you don't hesitate, if he doesn't want to leave then you move on.

Because it makes no sense to go all in if you have no shot at winning. It would be worse than the Melo trade. Here we’d be giving up all our picks and youth for MAYBE 3 years of prime Dame. If we don’t have another max free agent we aren’t winning anything.

You say you’d rather see a good team with Dame, but I’d rather see if we could develop the youth and build a good team. I’d rather have a young 6th seed team with potential to grow than a 4th seed with its best player over 30, that is capped out, has no picks, and no room to trade to get better.

[DOT]

Not worth it without someone committing to us in free agency beforehand (cause we won't have the cap space afterwards)

Dame+Randle isn't enough to win a chip. Hell, I'd say after what Portland would ask for him, we'd probably be an even worse team than the one he's leaving

Just hold on until the opportune moment. Y'all are too ready to repeat the mistakes of the Melo era. Diving head first into trading for a star without a proper plan to surround him with talent.

Depends on if Portland prefers a pick heavy package to NYK's young core pieces. We've seen GM's trend heavy towards that style of deal because it buys them more time with ownership...

If the Knicks can keep at least 2 of IQ, Mitch, and RJ out of the deal our roster isn't worse than Portland's IMO especially if you think Randle > CJ which I tend to believe is the case after this season.

Also using a 3rd team to our advantage could be helpful. A rebuilding team may want some picks and be willing to ship a better prospect to Portland for us. Cleveland for example could send Sexton to Portland if we/portland give them enough picks which would lower the prospect capital we have to send out.

If you can keep RJ, then I think it's a good move. I know a lot of fans are down on him after the playoffs, but I don't want to move him unless it's putting us in a position to contend. Might not be right away, but in 2-3 years, especially if Randle at least stays consistent and Lillard doesn't decline too much, Dame/Randle/RJ could be one of the best trios in the league. I'd easily do Quick/Mitch, Obi, Knox, and however many picks

Plus, while we wouldn't have enough for a max player, we'd still be able to afford a solid role player or two, then just hope we hit on a couple draft picks.

[blueNorange]

idk but y'all but i love the idea of trading everything for someone that won't make the knicks any better than a 2nd round exit.

is that what y'all want, to play 2 more weeks?

It will be better then hoping RJ develops anything more then a corner 3pt shooter.

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a reminder that your legit reason for wanting to trade rj is because you admitted you're not getting any younger and don't want to wait for him to develop.

that's the saddest thing i've ever heard.

[ENYK]

This win a chip or nothing else matters is annoying. only 1 team wins a ring, and the nets who have a big 3 might not even get there this year with the bucks being a tough test, would that mean it's a mistake for them to get harden. The knicks aren't going from 41 wins to a championship. How about getting Dame, being a really good team and then see if we can keep adding pieces. If the knicks can get Dame you don't hesitate, if he doesn't want to leave then you move on.

Because it makes no sense to go all in if you have no shot at winning. It would be worse than the Melo trade. Here we’d be giving up all our picks and youth for MAYBE 3 years of prime Dame. If we don’t have another max free agent we aren’t winning anything.

You say you’d rather see a good team with Dame, but I’d rather see if we could develop the youth and build a good team. I’d rather have a young 6th seed team with potential to grow than a 4th seed with its best player over 30 that is capped out has no picks and no room to trade to get better.

This. The only player Dame's age I would trade the farm for is a 30 year old LeBron. Dame ain't that.

[SelbyCobra]

Dame's been on record as saying he's not down with the superteam trend, and been more vocal about staying with his current team than any superstar of this era. He's an Oakland dude who lives that loyal to my soil life. I'd give just about anything to get him here, but I just can't see it happening - from both his perspective, and the Portland organization's.

They'll trade McCollum, if anything, as many have already said.

[DOT]

You pay Randle Rose Mitch your pretty much capped out after two years RJ will be up for extension not to mention all those extra draft picks Knicks will have to sign the flexibility won't remain forever the timeline is short and star players rarely choose Knicks as destination.

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Only person on that list needs to get paid this offseason is Rose

Yeah, the flexibility won't remain forever, but for now we have it, so we don't need to force something if we don't have to. We have at least until next offseason before we need to make tough decisions.

So who are you saving for next offseason that's better then Dame?

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I keep telling people, who knows who will be available

I'm not planning on anyone specifically, just saying we don't have to force a move now that has a high likelihood of failure just because y'all are impatient and want moves done for the sake of doing something

Timing is everything. Wait for the right moment, then make your move, and right now is not the right moment. If, however, Kawhi hits the market and says he'll come here if we trade for Dame, then it'll be the right moment. But don't trade for Dame with no plan going forward.

[blueNorange]

dame on the knicks

the nets, bucks, sixers, heat, and hawks are still better.

but hey it's dame time right?

[YMMV]

While I would love Dame, it takes two to tango. We are assuming he would even want to play for Knicks let along with Randle. Assuming what SAS said was right on Weds, that some superstars aren't really enticed to play in NYK with Randle. I'm very inclined to agree with SAS from he assessment on Weds First Take show.

Dame couldn't get pass the first round with a better team than the current Knicks, granted they also played a more talented team than Atlanta. If we even trade for him, IMO, we will be even worse since it will cost a lot of draft capital, and our young players.

[blueNorange]

Only person on that list needs to get paid this offseason is Rose

Yeah, the flexibility won't remain forever, but for now we have it, so we don't need to force something if we don't have to. We have at least until next offseason before we need to make tough decisions.

So who are you saving for next offseason that's better then Dame?

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I keep telling people, who knows who will be available

I'm not planning on anyone specifically, just saying we don't have to force a move now that has a high likelihood of failure just because y'all are impatient and want moves done for the sake of doing something

Timing is everything. Wait for the right moment, then make your move, and right now is not the right moment. If, however, Kawhi hits the market and says he'll come here if we trade for Dame, then it'll be the right moment. But don't trade for Dame with no plan going forward.

jimmit has admitted he's done waiting and wants results now.

if he had an option of keeping rj and in his 5th season he becomes a 60 ppg scorer or trade for dame, he'll choose dame because he's not getting any younger and doesn't want to wait 3 years.

[Jimmit79]

This win a chip or nothing else matters is annoying. only 1 team wins a ring, and the nets who have a big 3 might not even get there this year with the bucks being a tough test, would that mean it's a mistake for them to get harden. The knicks aren't going from 41 wins to a championship. How about getting Dame, being a really good team and then see if we can keep adding pieces. If the knicks can get Dame you don't hesitate, if he doesn't want to leave then you move on.

Exactly some ppl are looking at this narrow minded championship or bust.

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Who do you add after you trade for Dame and lose all of your tradeable assets in the process? At least Melo was 26-27 when the Knicks did that to get him in 2011.

If you don't get Kawhi, it's Dame and a bunch of spare parts, so essentially a lost season. Then he's 32, when you have a shot to add Bradley Beal/Lavine. Dame with one of those guys isn't contending. It'll be like Portland except his SG is slightly taller.

It just doesn't make sense unless you know he's coming with someone else (someone better). I think most Knicks fans would trade the 2011-13 Melo Knicks for an opportunity to be in the contender conversation every year by drafting well and high and building a younger core with a real window to win.

But Knicks do not draft well there draft luck also sucks RJ Obi Knox Frank IQ are not talents that going to take franchise to playoffs. I also don't get this nonsense of instant contender or forget it that means your waiting for miracle and will give up competing until then.

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[seren]

I don't see why Portland goes for that... A Randle-CJ core would struggle to make the playoffs... And if they're blowing it all up, they can get a younger, more exciting prospect than Randle (Simmons, perhaps).

Speaking of CJ...why not target him? He's had stretches were he looked scary....

That was the "him" I was actually referring to. They'll likely move CJ this offseason. Portland is about to go all out to put something around Dame.

I don’t think teams that are willing to give up star players are doing it to swap stars these days. Not sure who Portland can get for CJ even if they include a lot of picks.

[seren]

Dame's been on record as saying he's not down with the superteam trend, and been more vocal about staying with his current team than any superstar of this era. He's an Oakland dude who lives that loyal to my soil life. I'd give just about anything to get him here, but I just can't see it happening - from both his perspective, and the Portland organization's.

They'll trade McCollum, if anything, as many have already said.

Well they have tried high level role players around him which didn’t work so far. He definitely needs another big time star perhaps even two.

[robillionaire]

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We won’t get him but this should probably clue you in on what the Knicks plans and direction are

[blueNorange]

Exactly some ppl are looking at this narrow minded championship or bust.

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Who do you add after you trade for Dame and lose all of your tradeable assets in the process? At least Melo was 26-27 when the Knicks did that to get him in 2011.

If you don't get Kawhi, it's Dame and a bunch of spare parts, so essentially a lost season. Then he's 32, when you have a shot to add Bradley Beal/Lavine. Dame with one of those guys isn't contending. It'll be like Portland except his SG is slightly taller.

It just doesn't make sense unless you know he's coming with someone else (someone better). I think most Knicks fans would trade the 2011-13 Melo Knicks for an opportunity to be in the contender conversation every year by drafting well and high and building a younger core with a real window to win.

But Knicks do not draft well there draft luck also sucks RJ Obi Knox Frank IQ are not talents that going to take franchise to playoffs. I also don't get this nonsense of instant contender or forget it that means your waiting for miracle and will give up competing until then.

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but those talents are good enough to trade for dame?

hmm, that's weird.

[SelbyCobra]

Dame's been on record as saying he's not down with the superteam trend, and been more vocal about staying with his current team than any superstar of this era. He's an Oakland dude who lives that loyal to my soil life. I'd give just about anything to get him here, but I just can't see it happening - from both his perspective, and the Portland organization's.

They'll trade McCollum, if anything, as many have already said.

Well they have tried high level role players around him which didn’t work so far. He definitely needs another big time star perhaps even two.

Agreed. That's why we're hearing this kind of stuff today. KAT with a bonafide #1 killer dominating the ball would be super intriguing.

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[HarthorneWingo]

Dame's been on record as saying he's not down with the superteam trend, and been more vocal about staying with his current team than any superstar of this era. He's an Oakland dude who lives that loyal to my soil life. I'd give just about anything to get him here, but I just can't see it happening - from both his perspective, and the Portland organization's.

They'll trade McCollum, if anything, as many have already said.

Ok, then McCollum. Great. He probably won't cost as much either.

[HarthorneWingo]

I can feel it already. We're going to get shut out again this off season. lmao

[Jimmit79]

Dolan fired Mills because Mills couldn't get star player here not because Dolan wanted a young team full of role players like RJ and Obi. If you guys think Leon Rose and WWW are thinking of building a bargain bin team again and that Dolan will accept anything less then BK lvl talent then your up for rude awakening.

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[DowNY]

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Quickley
Obi
Knox
Both 1sts this draft
Swap option for next year’s 1st
Both 1sts in 2023

We have enough cap to take on Covington or Derrick Jones Jr too.

Dame
RJ
Covington
Randle
Mitch

Or just trade for Dame & at that point, I’d go hard for Kawhi in free agency

Dame
RJ
Kawhi
Randle
Mitch

No clue how the cap hold/bird rights works in re-signing Rose. I know Bullocks need 1 more season for us to give him a decent bag, so I see him coming back.

[mpharris36]

Dame's been on record as saying he's not down with the superteam trend, and been more vocal about staying with his current team than any superstar of this era. He's an Oakland dude who lives that loyal to my soil life. I'd give just about anything to get him here, but I just can't see it happening - from both his perspective, and the Portland organization's.

They'll trade McCollum, if anything, as many have already said.

Well they have tried high level role players around him which didn’t work so far. He definitely needs another big time star perhaps even two.

Agreed. That's why we're hearing this kind of stuff today. KAT with a bonafide #1 killer dominating the ball would be super intriguing.

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they would somehow get worse on defense.