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Trade Talk (Part Six)

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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

Post#1701 » by ClarkeW » Fri Jun 4, 2021 5:09 pm

IceManBK1 wrote:Wish we land top 3 pick.. Celtics might be trading Marcus Smart. Maybe they'll take Beasley plus top 10 protected 1st for Smart?


I like Marcus Smart and think he would make an excellent backup guard for the Wolves, but I’m not sure it makes sense to trade Beasley for him. Beasley is young, an important 3-point scorer for this team and locked into a reasonable contract for the next three seasons. Smart is older and on an expiring, perhaps looking for one last payday when his contract is up at the end of next year.

If there was another way to bring in Smart (perhaps a Rubio swap of some sort?) I’d be game because I think he brings defense and toughness that we sorely lack.
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Post#1702 » by _AIJ_ » Fri Jun 4, 2021 6:27 pm

Would you trade KAT to Portland for Cj And Nurkic?
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Post#1703 » by NebWolvesFan » Fri Jun 4, 2021 7:25 pm

_AIJ_ wrote:Would you trade KAT to Portland for Cj And Nurkic?


I wouldn't. CJ is a two-guard and I'm playing Ant 36 minutes a night at the 2. Nurkic gets hurt a lot and I'm not sure he's that much better than Reid, especially in a couple of years.

If Kat's going anywhere (and I don't think he is), I feel its Phoenix - where Minnesota can get Ayton, Bridges and change.
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Post#1704 » by Colbinii » Fri Jun 4, 2021 8:25 pm

_AIJ_ wrote:Would you trade KAT to Portland for Cj And Nurkic?


No, that's atrocious and I don't think Portland would do that either.
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Post#1705 » by Domejandro » Fri Jun 4, 2021 11:35 pm

Colbinii wrote:
_AIJ_ wrote:Would you trade KAT to Portland for Cj And Nurkic?


No, that's atrocious and I don't think Portland would do that either.

Portland would do that trade so quickly it would make your head spin. :lol:
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Post#1706 » by Neeva » Sat Jun 5, 2021 12:29 am

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Colbinii wrote:
_AIJ_ wrote:Would you trade KAT to Portland for Cj And Nurkic?


No, that's atrocious and I don't think Portland would do that either.


McCollum is horribly overpaid and a negative asset, Nurkic is made of glass.
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Post#1707 » by post0115 » Sat Jun 5, 2021 1:06 am

I think two trades will get us making a big jump next year.

Trade 1 - get jerami grant from Detroit. Trade Rubio and future 1st (top 5 protected) for grant.

Trade 2 - get Terrence Ross from Orlando giving up poor rotational players. Trade out layman, culver, and okogie.

Sign white side on cheap and bring over bolmaro.
Resign j-Mac and Vanderbilt

C kat, naz, whiteside
4 grant, juancho/Vanderbilt
3 jaden mcdaniels, t. Ross,
2 ant, Beas, nowell
1 d-lo, bolmaro, j-Mac

I really like that team
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Post#1708 » by wolves_89 » Sat Jun 5, 2021 2:33 am

_AIJ_ wrote:Would you trade KAT to Portland for Cj And Nurkic?


That deal makes absolutely no sense for the Wolves. The team would get considerably worse, while at the same time getting older and more expensive.
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Post#1709 » by Nick K » Sat Jun 5, 2021 3:55 am

_AIJ_ wrote:Would you trade KAT to Portland for Cj And Nurkic?


Nope. Kat is more versatile that Nurkic and CJ isn't as good as Ant. I don't see how we're a better team.

Also with Nurkic and Covington Portland was 27th in defense in the league. How about that?

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Post#1710 » by Nick K » Sat Jun 5, 2021 3:57 am

post0115 wrote:I think two trades will get us making a big jump next year.

Trade 1 - get jerami grant from Detroit. Trade Rubio and future 1st (top 5 protected) for grant.

Trade 2 - get Terrence Ross from Orlando giving up poor rotational players. Trade out layman, culver, and okogie.

Sign white side on cheap and bring over bolmaro.
Resign j-Mac and Vanderbilt

C kat, naz, whiteside
4 grant, juancho/Vanderbilt
3 jaden mcdaniels, t. Ross,
2 ant, Beas, nowell
1 d-lo, bolmaro, j-Mac

I really like that team


I'm liking this post. Grant would be a nice fit.
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Post#1711 » by Neeva » Sat Jun 5, 2021 5:59 am

We don’t need Terrrance Ross though wolves are getting one of Suggs, Green or Cunningham.
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Post#1712 » by shrink » Sat Jun 5, 2021 12:46 pm

Jerami Grant left playoff DEN to go to lottery DET because he wanted his own team, to show off what he could do. He has done well there personally, too. I love his fit here, but I think he would be unhappy being the third or fourth option.
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Post#1713 » by shrink » Sat Jun 5, 2021 3:57 pm

Let me preface this by saying I saw this offer on the Trade Board, and I have to admit, I have never let my mind wander there.

Lakers rebuild

Anthony Davis for Anthony Edwards plus

So, is there a better guy in the league to fit our needs for a defensive 4, or a better pairing with KAT? Hurts to lose Ant and all those years of team control. Would Davis enjoy playing here next to KAT?
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Post#1714 » by life_saver » Sat Jun 5, 2021 6:06 pm

shrink wrote:Let me preface this by saying I saw this offer on the Trade Board, and I have to admit, I have never let my mind wander there.

Lakers rebuild

Anthony Davis for Anthony Edwards plus

So, is there a better guy in the league to fit our needs for a defensive 4, or a better pairing with KAT? Hurts to lose Ant and all those years of team control. Would Davis enjoy playing here next to KAT?

I am not sure about having 2 big men as your max players/core in this era...you need a star guard/wing
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Post#1715 » by younggunsmn » Sat Jun 5, 2021 8:07 pm

shrink wrote:I’ve been trying to keep a closer eye on the Rubio trade market, and I am becoming more and more encouraged. There are many teams out there that could use his passing and organize an offense, and we are seeing in the playoffs even more. CHI, NYK, IND all seem like decent targets off the top, but free agency could open many more. Will Lonzo Ball stay in NOP? Will the Lakers pay Schroeder anything he wants, to maintain salary? Is Gordon Dragic staying in MIA? What about Lowry? Heck, Chris Paul? The advantage Rubio provides is that he is a one-year deal that allows him to be caretaker. FA contracts much be three, and while years can be guaranteed, most decent free agents have the market pull to demand three years guaranteed, or at least a partial guarantee on the end.


Well Rubio was traded last offseason, coming off a better year, for essentially a semi useful expiring and a future 2nd round pick (if you consider 17 for 25+28 a wash). Does having one year remaining rather than two change that valuation much?
I just think that his value to this team will be much bigger than a future 2nd, especially considering how instrumental he was in helping Ant on the court his rookie year. Finding salary filler that is a better fit with those on court intangibles the rest of the team sorely lacks is going to be tough. He's not the first guy I would think about sending out.


Beasley is the most obvious trade candidate at this point considering contract, position, and relative value.
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Post#1716 » by younggunsmn » Sat Jun 5, 2021 8:09 pm

shrink wrote:Let me preface this by saying I saw this offer on the Trade Board, and I have to admit, I have never let my mind wander there.

Lakers rebuild

Anthony Davis for Anthony Edwards plus

So, is there a better guy in the league to fit our needs for a defensive 4, or a better pairing with KAT? Hurts to lose Ant and all those years of team control. Would Davis enjoy playing here next to KAT?


Hard no, for the simple reason Davis really really doesnt want to be here. And is made of glass.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

Post#1717 » by IceManBK1 » Sat Jun 5, 2021 10:59 pm

Timberwolves should pounce on Montrezl Harrell if he opts out of his PO. Fits the MLE budget good 2 way PF who will fit right in nxt to Towns.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

Post#1718 » by Nick K » Sun Jun 6, 2021 12:25 am

younggunsmn wrote:
shrink wrote:I’ve been trying to keep a closer eye on the Rubio trade market, and I am becoming more and more encouraged. There are many teams out there that could use his passing and organize an offense, and we are seeing in the playoffs even more. CHI, NYK, IND all seem like decent targets off the top, but free agency could open many more. Will Lonzo Ball stay in NOP? Will the Lakers pay Schroeder anything he wants, to maintain salary? Is Gordon Dragic staying in MIA? What about Lowry? Heck, Chris Paul? The advantage Rubio provides is that he is a one-year deal that allows him to be caretaker. FA contracts much be three, and while years can be guaranteed, most decent free agents have the market pull to demand three years guaranteed, or at least a partial guarantee on the end.


Well Rubio was traded last offseason, coming off a better year, for essentially a semi useful expiring and a future 2nd round pick (if you consider 17 for 25+28 a wash). Does having one year remaining rather than two change that valuation much?
I just think that his value to this team will be much bigger than a future 2nd, especially considering how instrumental he was in helping Ant on the court his rookie year. Finding salary filler that is a better fit with those on court intangibles the rest of the team sorely lacks is going to be tough. He's not the first guy I would think about sending out.


Beasley is the most obvious trade candidate at this point considering contract, position, and relative value.


Rosas has publically said recently that our core 5 players are Kat, Ant, Dlo, McD, and Beasley. That tells me he's unlikely to be moved.

I think they are very high on Reid and Vando. That would leave everybody else on the trade block. You never know when one guys trash is another guys treasure.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

Post#1719 » by Nick K » Sun Jun 6, 2021 12:40 am

IceManBK1 wrote:Timberwolves should pounce on Montrezl Harrell if he opts out of his PO. Fits the MLE budget good 2 way PF who will fit right in nxt to Towns.


I really like Harrell and I'm not sure he wants to stay with the Lakers. He was unhappy with his minutes. He doesn't shoot the 3 and I don't care. He's very tough inside which is just what we need. Great fit.

We have to find a way to afford him.

Harrell was with Houston his first two years so Rosas knows him as well as anyone.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Six) 

Post#1720 » by Norseman79 » Sun Jun 6, 2021 12:46 pm

Let me start out by saying I have no issues trading Rubio for the right package. However, there is a lot that goes into this situation. For starters does Rubio want to go? If it's yes, then it's a no-brainer you get rid of the disgruntled guy in the offseason. However if it's no, and he's happy with the way the season ended and the role he was being defined in, then I think you have to pump the brakes unless the right offer comes along. Here's the thing, I have no faith in Russell staying healthy the entire season and I have even less faith in us signing a backup point guard that can provide the same things that Rubio does or close to. He certainly has his faults believe me I've sworn at the TV many times, but we also can't disregard what he does bring. I know we have holes to fill, but creating one to potentially fill one doesn't seem like the proper recipe.

We arguably have several tradable assets that may or may not get us back something we could use, depending on Rubio's view as far as staying with the team goes he may or may not be one of them. However we also have guys like Beasley, Culver, Okoge, and a few others that could be packaged for salary purposes. I like the idea of a montrez h type, I think that is on the right track to start in the front court with towns and McDaniels, but we may already have that and more in Vanderbilt if he puts one some size.

Back to the original point,yes Rubio is overpaid as a back up PG with flaws in his game, but let's make sure it's a forward move if we trade him, not just a sideways or backwards one.

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