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2021 Playoff and Offseason Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS????

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Post#3881 » by NapoleonII » Sun Jun 6, 2021 7:22 pm

Looking forward to a Clips loss today. Mavs are playing with house money essentially, even after being up 2-0.
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Post#3882 » by SunZel » Sun Jun 6, 2021 7:36 pm

Why did we give up Bogdan again i remember it being a legitimate reason.
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Post#3883 » by Barkley6 » Sun Jun 6, 2021 7:39 pm

SunZel wrote:Why did we give up Bogdan again i remember it being a legitimate reason.


Traded his rights to get..........Marquese Chriss.
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Post#3884 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jun 6, 2021 7:40 pm

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SunZel wrote:Why did we give up Bogdan again i remember it being a legitimate reason.


Traded his rights to get..........Marquese Chriss.


Along with #13 (LeVert?) and 27 or 28 (Dejounte Murray?)
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Post#3885 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jun 6, 2021 7:40 pm

SunsRback4Good wrote:7 game series Hawks vs Suns who wins and in how many?


I want to say the Suns wouldn't have much trouble, but then they did kill us last time we played and they are cruising in the playoffs and are deep and talented.
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Post#3886 » by Barkley6 » Sun Jun 6, 2021 7:54 pm

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SunsRback4Good wrote:7 game series Hawks vs Suns who wins and in how many?


I want to say the Suns wouldn't have much trouble, but then they did kill us last time we played and they are cruising in the playoffs and are deep and talented.



Yeah, Atlanta is legit and they are peaking at the right time. Can they sustain it? We'll see.
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Post#3887 » by Adrao » Sun Jun 6, 2021 7:58 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:- Hassan Whiteside. I'd actually be all for him, As he'd really help our frontcourt issues big time. And he could provide added intimidation against penetration to the rim. IF we'd consider him, sign me up! However, He still wouldn't be as cheap as, Or have the upside of one of the above mentioned 2nd round prospects. * because he can't shoot, hit free throws at a good rate, nor is he that mobile in comparison to most any of them. They basically would still come cheaper contractually. AND would again offer higher upside and more room for growth.
He is my favourite player to backup Ayton.
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Post#3888 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jun 6, 2021 8:00 pm

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Ghost of Kleine wrote:- Hassan Whiteside. I'd actually be all for him, As he'd really help our frontcourt issues big time. And he could provide added intimidation against penetration to the rim. IF we'd consider him, sign me up! However, He still wouldn't be as cheap as, Or have the upside of one of the above mentioned 2nd round prospects. * because he can't shoot, hit free throws at a good rate, nor is he that mobile in comparison to most any of them. They basically would still come cheaper contractually. AND would again offer higher upside and more room for growth.
He is my favourite player to backup Ayton.


I'd probably go for Nerlens Noel if you could get him on a minimum. Or even for part of the MLE...maybe a 1 year deal similar to what he got this year. ($5 million I think).
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Post#3889 » by Barkley6 » Sun Jun 6, 2021 8:05 pm

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Adrao wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:- Hassan Whiteside. I'd actually be all for him, As he'd really help our frontcourt issues big time. And he could provide added intimidation against penetration to the rim. IF we'd consider him, sign me up! However, He still wouldn't be as cheap as, Or have the upside of one of the above mentioned 2nd round prospects. * because he can't shoot, hit free throws at a good rate, nor is he that mobile in comparison to most any of them. They basically would still come cheaper contractually. AND would again offer higher upside and more room for growth.
He is my favourite player to backup Ayton.


I'd probably go for Nerlens Noel if you could get him on a minimum. Or even for part of the MLE...maybe a 1 year deal similar to what he got this year. ($5 million I think).


My issue with Noel is he is very one dimensional. He is a great rim protector, but he doesn't offer much else. I either want someone who can shoot and move the ball well (an Olynyk type) or someone who can rebound the ball well (a Dwight Howard type).

I don't see Noel doing much of either of those things.
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Post#3890 » by Barkley6 » Sun Jun 6, 2021 8:07 pm

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SunZel wrote:Why did we give up Bogdan again i remember it being a legitimate reason.


Traded his rights to get..........Marquese Chriss.


Along with #13 (LeVert?) and 27 or 28 (Dejounte Murray?)


No, Georgios Papagiannis and Skal Labissiere. It wasn't a good trade, but it wasn't an epically bad one.

Or are you saying we could have gotten those guys at those spots?
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Post#3891 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sun Jun 6, 2021 8:07 pm

We just watched a series where the Lakers best option was basically saying **** playing all their traditional C's and people are still obsessing about back up Cs. I don't get it.

Not saying adding a guy for depth isn't something they should do but I certainly don't consider it a priority. Especially since it's really not too much to ask that the guy they drafted 11 this past year give them something in year two. Guys to get better.

Oh and the clippers STARTED Batum at C today.

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Post#3892 » by Barkley6 » Sun Jun 6, 2021 8:12 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:
Barkley6 wrote:
Traded his rights to get..........Marquese Chriss.


Along with #13 (LeVert?) and 27 or 28 (Dejounte Murray?)


No, Georgios Papagiannis and Skal Labissiere. It wasn't a good trade, but it wasn't an epically bad one.

Or are you saying we could have gotten those guys at those spots?


But since we're in this draft, imagine if we had picked Malcolm Brogdon instead of Tyler Ulis?

Imagine if we had drafted Sabonis, LeVert and Brogdon instead of Bender, Chriss and Ulis.
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Post#3893 » by Barkley6 » Sun Jun 6, 2021 8:18 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:We just watched a series where the Lakers best option was basically saying **** playing all their traditional C's and people are still obsessing about back up Cs. I don't get it.

Not saying adding a guy for depth isn't something they should do but I certainly don't consider it a priority. Especially since it's really not too much to ask that the guy they drafted 11 this past year give them something in year two. Guys to get better.

Oh and the clippers STARTED Batum at C today.

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Because we get battered on the glass when Ayton sits. I'm not saying we need a traditional lumbering 5 man. I'm saying we need someone above 6'10'' who can jump over a dime, and will fight for rebounds, OR shoot the ball more consistently than Frank or Saric have this season.

We're talking about a minimum salary guy here most likely. But it's also our weakest position, so if we went and spent on it, it wouldn't be a terrible call. Where else do you see us needing to improve? Sure, I'd like to get a backup 2 guard that can spell Book a little better than what we had this year, but aside from maybe Bryn Forbes, there aren't a lot of guys out there that are cheap and a marked improvement. I also think since we are competing now, we draft a guard that may be able to contribute right away, rather than a big, as we've seen bigs take time to develop. So offseason plan is sign a big, draft a G.

Unless you want to sign another wing? But with Bridges, Johnson, Crowder....Craig likely to return. Where can we fit another guy in?
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Post#3894 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jun 6, 2021 8:19 pm

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Traded his rights to get..........Marquese Chriss.


Along with #13 (LeVert?) and 27 or 28 (Dejounte Murray?)


No, Georgios Papagiannis and Skal Labissiere. It wasn't a good trade, but it wasn't an epically bad one.

Or are you saying we could have gotten those guys at those spots?


Yes, they would have been available at those spots. I don't think we would have taken Papa or Skal.
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Post#3895 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jun 6, 2021 8:24 pm

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Adrao wrote:He is my favourite player to backup Ayton.


I'd probably go for Nerlens Noel if you could get him on a minimum. Or even for part of the MLE...maybe a 1 year deal similar to what he got this year. ($5 million I think).


My issue with Noel is he is very one dimensional. He is a great rim protector, but he doesn't offer much else. I either want someone who can shoot and move the ball well (an Olynyk type) or someone who can rebound the ball well (a Dwight Howard type).

I don't see Noel doing much of either of those things.


Howard wouldn't be too bad but he's really old. Olynyk is too expensive. Noel rebounds ok at 10 per 36. This year not as good because he played with Randle a lot who rebounds a lot. The 3 years before last year he was between 11 and 13.

I don't mind not having a floor stretcher...we mainly just need a rim protector and guy who can battle down low and have some physicality.
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Post#3896 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jun 6, 2021 8:25 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:We just watched a series where the Lakers best option was basically saying **** playing all their traditional C's and people are still obsessing about back up Cs. I don't get it.

Not saying adding a guy for depth isn't something they should do but I certainly don't consider it a priority. Especially since it's really not too much to ask that the guy they drafted 11 this past year give them something in year two. Guys to get better.

Oh and the clippers STARTED Batum at C today.

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Because we get battered on the glass when Ayton sits. I'm not saying we need a traditional lumbering 5 man. I'm saying we need someone above 6'10'' who can jump over a dime, and will fight for rebounds, OR shoot the ball more consistently than Frank or Saric have this season.

We're talking about a minimum salary guy here most likely. But it's also our weakest position, so if we went and spent on it, it wouldn't be a terrible call. Where else do you see us needing to improve? Sure, I'd like to get a backup 2 guard that can spell Book a little better than what we had this year, but aside from maybe Bryn Forbes, there aren't a lot of guys out there that are cheap and a marked improvement. I also think since we are competing now, we draft a guard that may be able to contribute right away, rather than a big, as we've seen bigs take time to develop. So offseason plan is sign a big, draft a G.

Unless you want to sign another wing? But with Bridges, Johnson, Crowder....Craig likely to return. Where can we fit another guy in?


And you need someone who can adequately fill in physically if Ayton gets injured.
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Post#3897 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sun Jun 6, 2021 8:27 pm

Barkley6 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:We just watched a series where the Lakers best option was basically saying **** playing all their traditional C's and people are still obsessing about back up Cs. I don't get it.

Not saying adding a guy for depth isn't something they should do but I certainly don't consider it a priority. Especially since it's really not too much to ask that the guy they drafted 11 this past year give them something in year two. Guys to get better.

Oh and the clippers STARTED Batum at C today.

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Because we get battered on the glass when Ayton sits. I'm not saying we need a traditional lumbering 5 man. I'm saying we need someone above 6'10'' who can jump over a dime, and will fight for rebounds, OR shoot the ball more consistently than Frank or Saric have this season.

We're talking about a minimum salary guy here most likely. But it's also our weakest position, so if we went and spent on it, it wouldn't be a terrible call. Where else do you see us needing to improve? Sure, I'd like to get a backup 2 guard that can spell Book a little better than what we had this year, but aside from maybe Bryn Forbes, there aren't a lot of guys out there that are cheap and a marked improvement. I also think since we are competing now, we draft a guard that may be able to contribute right away, rather than a big, as we've seen bigs take time to develop. So offseason plan is sign a big, draft a G.

Unless you want to sign another wing? But with Bridges, Johnson, Crowder....Craig likely to return. Where can we fit another guy in?
Really depends who returns in FA, I'm not as certain guys like Craig or Payne will be back especially if CP3 extends. Plus I could see a trade or two also. Even with good teams some roster shuffle is needed year to year. So replacements for guys who have rotation spots now is probably the focus.

If I could pick one kind of guy to get it would be a forward who can create their own offense. It would be great if they were like 6'9 or above too because guarding the big dynamic forwards is kind of a defensive problem too but the type of guy I'm describing doesn't exactly grow on trees. But in general I do want another guy where if you're playing a tough d you can throw them the ball and they bail you out. Right now only Booker, Paul, and Payne can really effectively get their own shot. Cam Johnson probably has the best shot of improvement and being able to do thats still not really his game.

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Post#3898 » by Barkley6 » Sun Jun 6, 2021 8:27 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:We just watched a series where the Lakers best option was basically saying **** playing all their traditional C's and people are still obsessing about back up Cs. I don't get it.

Not saying adding a guy for depth isn't something they should do but I certainly don't consider it a priority. Especially since it's really not too much to ask that the guy they drafted 11 this past year give them something in year two. Guys to get better.

Oh and the clippers STARTED Batum at C today.

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Because we get battered on the glass when Ayton sits. I'm not saying we need a traditional lumbering 5 man. I'm saying we need someone above 6'10'' who can jump over a dime, and will fight for rebounds, OR shoot the ball more consistently than Frank or Saric have this season.

We're talking about a minimum salary guy here most likely. But it's also our weakest position, so if we went and spent on it, it wouldn't be a terrible call. Where else do you see us needing to improve? Sure, I'd like to get a backup 2 guard that can spell Book a little better than what we had this year, but aside from maybe Bryn Forbes, there aren't a lot of guys out there that are cheap and a marked improvement. I also think since we are competing now, we draft a guard that may be able to contribute right away, rather than a big, as we've seen bigs take time to develop. So offseason plan is sign a big, draft a G.

Unless you want to sign another wing? But with Bridges, Johnson, Crowder....Craig likely to return. Where can we fit another guy in?


And you need someone who can adequately fill in physically if Ayton gets injured.


Exactly. Imagine if Ayton had to sit for 2 weeks injured (relatively short term in the grand scheme) and we had to start Saric for 7 or 8 games. It wouldn't be pretty, and could get extremely ugly depending on our opponent.
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Post#3899 » by SunsRback4Good » Sun Jun 6, 2021 8:34 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:We just watched a series where the Lakers best option was basically saying **** playing all their traditional C's and people are still obsessing about back up Cs. I don't get it.

Not saying adding a guy for depth isn't something they should do but I certainly don't consider it a priority. Especially since it's really not too much to ask that the guy they drafted 11 this past year give them something in year two. Guys to get better.

Oh and the clippers STARTED Batum at C today.

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I agree in today's game we dont need backup centers just a starting C and a few back up pfs should work. I love Olynyk he played with Crowder in the finals and would be a perfect fit for us.
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Post#3900 » by SuperSunsFan » Sun Jun 6, 2021 8:35 pm

does anyone else notice that Anthony davis has an abnormally small head?

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