Official Trade Thread - Part XLI

[nate33]

Dat -- would you give Beal & something for Lillard? Too rich? Not interested in Lillard for some reason?

Isn't that rearranging chairs on the titanic though? I'd pass.

I'd love to see Lillard in DC with Beal. I think Beal has another gear/level that McCollum does not have and the two could work very well but of course I seriously doubt Portland would want Westbrook and middlin assets in return.

I do find it very interesting that two of the most loyal stars in the NBA were drafted within 2 picks of each other.

Agree on all points.

Esp. Beal is way better than McCollum (tho he just had his best year...). I wonder what Beal would produce with Lillard as his backcourt mate! He'd have a whole lot more open shots!

I think a more plausible trade would be Beal for McCollum plus 3 future 1sts (2023, 2025, 2027) and pick swaps in 2024 and 2026. Then give Westbrook away to New York for cap space and start rebuilding. I'd probably try and flip McCollum for a younger guy like Ingram.

[mhd]

Isn't that rearranging chairs on the titanic though? I'd pass.

I'd love to see Lillard in DC with Beal. I think Beal has another gear/level that McCollum does not have and the two could work very well but of course I seriously doubt Portland would want Westbrook and middlin assets in return.

I do find it very interesting that two of the most loyal stars in the NBA were drafted within 2 picks of each other.

Agree on all points.

Esp. Beal is way better than McCollum (tho he just had his best year...). I wonder what Beal would produce with Lillard as his backcourt mate! He'd have a whole lot more open shots!

I think a more plausible trade would be Beal for McCollum plus 3 future 1sts (2023, 2025, 2027) and pick swaps in 2024 and 2026. Then give Westbrook away to New York for cap space and start rebuilding. I'd probably try and flip McCollum for a younger guy like Ingram.

If we're trading Beal, GSW makes the most sense. Wiseman+Wiggins+#6+#14 for Beal+Bryant (I'd probably want a future 1st as well).

Trade Russ+Bertans for whatever we can (and Wiggins too if need be) and do a complete rebuild around Wiseman, Gafford, Rui, and Deni.

[badinage]

Sigh.

This is awful. Both the wanting to dump Beal and the trade itself. Wiseman isn’t any good, Wiggins is empty calories, a no. 14 pick isn’t that valuable. I like the idea of a no. 6, but this is my team getting hosed.

[Dat2U]

Agree on all points.

Esp. Beal is way better than McCollum (tho he just had his best year...). I wonder what Beal would produce with Lillard as his backcourt mate! He'd have a whole lot more open shots!

I think a more plausible trade would be Beal for McCollum plus 3 future 1sts (2023, 2025, 2027) and pick swaps in 2024 and 2026. Then give Westbrook away to New York for cap space and start rebuilding. I'd probably try and flip McCollum for a younger guy like Ingram.

If we're trading Beal, GSW makes the most sense. Wiseman+Wiggins+#6+#14 for Beal+Bryant (I'd probably want a future 1st as well).

Trade Russ+Bertans for whatever we can (and Wiggins too if need be) and do a complete rebuild around Wiseman, Gafford, Rui, and Deni.

Wiseman has little value or utility in my eyes. I need elite defense at the C spot. Wiseman is years away from being a plus defender even if you believe in the offensive upside.

Beyond that, it's a couple of 1sts and Wiggins contract. That's an easy pass.

That said, almost no chance Beal gets dealt unless the relationship suddenly deteriorates. Beal is already openly talking about recruiting to DC. I assume he's likely agreeing to an extension this offseason.

[Dat2U]

Isn't that rearranging chairs on the titanic though? I'd pass.

I'd love to see Lillard in DC with Beal. I think Beal has another gear/level that McCollum does not have and the two could work very well but of course I seriously doubt Portland would want Westbrook and middlin assets in return.

I do find it very interesting that two of the most loyal stars in the NBA were drafted within 2 picks of each other.

Agree on all points.

Esp. Beal is way better than McCollum (tho he just had his best year...). I wonder what Beal would produce with Lillard as his backcourt mate! He'd have a whole lot more open shots!

I think a more plausible trade would be Beal for McCollum plus 3 future 1sts (2023, 2025, 2027) and pick swaps in 2024 and 2026. Then give Westbrook away to New York for cap space and start rebuilding. I'd probably try and flip McCollum for a younger guy like Ingram.

Ideally you'd force Portland to send McCollum elsewhere to bring other assets back instead of acquiring him. I don't think McCollum gets Ingram but I could be wrong.

[nate33]

Sigh.

This is awful. Both the wanting to dump Beal and the trade itself. Wiseman isn’t any good, Wiggins is empty calories, a no. 14 pick isn’t that valuable. I like the idea of a no. 6, but this is my team getting hosed.

For the record, I'm not advocating dumping Beal. I'm just saying a Beal for McCollum+ trade is far more likely than the Wizards trading for Lillard and pairing him with Beal.

[gambitx777]

Me personally I wouldn't take GS best offer. Unless they toss 3-4 future picks and pick swaps. which I doubt.

Sigh.

This is awful. Both the wanting to dump Beal and the trade itself. Wiseman isn’t any good, Wiggins is empty calories, a no. 14 pick isn’t that valuable. I like the idea of a no. 6, but this is my team getting hosed.

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[9 and 20]

What do you need to add to Rui to turn him into Siakam? Is our pick this year enough, plus Bertans and Hutchison to balance salaries? As a byproduct of this - Toronto would become the center of Japan's basketball focus, with Yuta Watanabe and Rui.

[9 and 20]

Bertans also seems like he belongs in Dallas. Anything trade available there? Not sure what to make of Porzingis, but I'd do Bertans plus spare parts for him.

[NatP4]

Westbrook to the Knicks for picks 19&21. The Knicks are going to be in the market for a PG. Westbrook brings all kinds of attention. They have plenty of cap space.

19&21 could be used to take Jared Butler and Chris Duarte.

[nate33]

Bertans also seems like he belongs in Dallas. Anything trade available there? Not sure what to make of Porzingis, but I'd do Bertans plus spare parts for him.

Nah. Porzingis is overpaid and extremely injury prone. I'd much rather have Bertans at $16M than Porzingis at $32M.

A trade that might interest me is Westbrook for Porzingis. We would get younger and bigger, though Porzingis' contract is a year longer. The deal saves us $12M which we could hopefully invest in a PG. It would be really cool if we could somehow incorporate a S&T where we send Bertans to New Orleans for Lonzo Ball:

PG Ball/Butler
SG Beal/Mathews
SF Hachimura/Avdija
PF Porzingis/Hachimura
C Gafford/Bryant

[nate33]

Westbrook to the Knicks for picks 19&21. The Knicks are going to be in the market for a PG. Westbrook brings all kinds of attention. They have plenty of cap space.

19&21 could be used to take Jared Butler and Chris Duarte.

I'd do that for just the #21 pick.

I'd then look into some type of S&T deal with New Orleans to get Lonzo Ball, who appears to be about the only half-decent young PG available this summer.

[queridiculo]

Bertans also seems like he belongs in Dallas. Anything trade available there? Not sure what to make of Porzingis, but I'd do Bertans plus spare parts for him.

Nah. Porzingis is overpaid and extremely injury prone. I'd much rather have Bertans at $16M than Porzingis at $32M.

A trade that might interest me is Westbrook for Porzingis. We would get younger and bigger, though Porzingis' contract is a year longer. The deal saves us $12M which we could hopefully invest in a PG. It would be really cool if we could somehow incorporate a S&T where we send Bertans to New Orleans for Lonzo Ball:

PG Ball/Butler
SG Beal/Mathews
SF Hachimura/Avdija
PF Porzingis/Hachimura
C Gafford/Bryant

Just want no part of Porzingis period.

The guy is a loser through and through and just a toxic character that let the early hype got to his head.

I also can't see how that move would make any sense for the Mavericks, I can't see any way him and Doncic can co-exist on the floor together.

[Dark Faze]

Westbrook to the Knicks for picks 19&21. The Knicks are going to be in the market for a PG. Westbrook brings all kinds of attention. They have plenty of cap space.

19&21 could be used to take Jared Butler and Chris Duarte.

I'm not sure that Rose isn't the better post season player right now. He shot over .40% from deep in the regular season and improved on those percentages with increased attempts in the playoffs. His next contract will probably be in the high teens, low 20's. And then to give up picks on top of that for Westbrook...nah.

I don't think the Knicks should be in any hurry. They can get bounced in the first round for at least one more year until fans start demanding more success. They just need to keep that money tied up in short term deals so the money is available when someone worth it is available.

Unfortunately with this logic they should absolutely stay away from Bertans given the length of the deal.

Honestly the reality is that Westbrook is a Trojan horse. Very exciting and likeable player, very regular season oriented, and Beal has bought into him. He's a disaster for the post season. He limits what we can do on offense with his zero jumpshot, and he demands high minutes. We need to move him but it won't happen.

[NatP4]

Westbrook to the Knicks for picks 19&21. The Knicks are going to be in the market for a PG. Westbrook brings all kinds of attention. They have plenty of cap space.

19&21 could be used to take Jared Butler and Chris Duarte.

I'd do that for just the #21 pick.

I'd then look into some type of S&T deal with New Orleans to get Lonzo Ball, who appears to be about the only half-decent young PG available this summer.

Kris Dunn is also a good option. Not sure if you consider him “young” though.

[nate33]

I also can't see how that move would make any sense for the Mavericks, I can't see any way him and Doncic can co-exist on the floor together.

I know that, and you know that, but hopefully Dallas doesn't know that. Hopefully, they're of the mindset that they have a star and a bunch of complementary role players, but they need one more "star" to push them to contender status.

[payitforward]

The talk of Bryant playing the 4 will die when we never play him there

Bryant is only a C. He can only defend one position and he's mediocre at that. He was never a great athlete as a C to begin with and now he's coming off a serious injury which may make him a step slower.

Exactly. Please, God make it stop!

Ok, ok... I will!

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Isn't that rearranging chairs on the titanic though? I'd pass.

I'd love to see Lillard in DC with Beal. I think Beal has another gear/level that McCollum does not have and the two could work very well but of course I seriously doubt Portland would want Westbrook and middlin assets in return.

I do find it very interesting that two of the most loyal stars in the NBA were drafted within 2 picks of each other.

Agree on all points.

Esp. Beal is way better than McCollum (tho he just had his best year...). I wonder what Beal would produce with Lillard as his backcourt mate! He'd have a whole lot more open shots!

I think a more plausible trade would be Beal for McCollum plus 3 future 1sts (2023, 2025, 2027) and pick swaps in 2024 and 2026. Then give Westbrook away to New York for cap space and start rebuilding. I'd probably try and flip McCollum for a younger guy like Ingram.

I don't really want to trade Brad, but certainly this would be a good one -- especially if we proceeded to flip him for more picks & a younger guy or two (I'd prefer that kind of move to taking on Ingram).

[payitforward]

What do you need to add to Rui to turn him into Siakam? Is our pick this year enough, plus Bertans and Hutchison to balance salaries? As a byproduct of this - Toronto would become the center of Japan's basketball focus, with Yuta Watanabe and Rui.

1. Siakam's last good year was 2018-19. He' not a player I'd target at all.
2. His enormous salary would make this impossible anyway.

Conclusion: stay away from Pascal Siakam.

[payitforward]

Westbrook to the Knicks for picks 19&21. The Knicks are going to be in the market for a PG. Westbrook brings all kinds of attention. They have plenty of cap space.

19&21 could be used to take Jared Butler and Chris Duarte.

Great of course! But, they wouldn't go for that.... The old Knicks, yes, but not the current FO.

Anyway, Ted is not trading Russell Westbrook.