How much can we offer Drummond ?

[lazybatman]

If Drummond doesnt take the mid level exception type of contract, what are the chances we can get Kelly Olynyk next year as a replacement?

No chance. He's getting paid this season as an FA. We can't afford to pay him. 19-8.4-4 with 54.5% fg & 39.2% 3 fg splits.

I like the following trade options -
Myles Turner - expensive option(18m) -
- Best shot blocker in the game right now - also the #1 for most shots contested in the paint
- Was in DPOY conversations before Pacers just started benching him for Sabonis.
- 35% 3 fg - Would have no problems being on the floor in the clutch / 4th quarters, which didn't suit Gasol or Drummond
- 24 year old can be a great investment
- Has been available for a trade for a while, so Pacers shouldn't posture much

Rechawn Holmes - cheaper option(5m)
- Great athletic defensive big
- Lob Threat - gives our driving guards a lot of room to work with because of his vertical threat
- Hungry & highly efficient scorer at the rim

[fteru6uhre54ew]

Pelinka need to bring back Javale and Dwight.

[ROballer]

If Drummond doesnt take the mid level exception type of contract, what are the chances we can get Kelly Olynyk next year as a replacement?

No chance. He's getting paid this season as an FA. We can't afford to pay him. 19-8.4-4 with 54.5% fg & 39.2% 3 fg splits.


Rechawn Holmes - cheaper option(5m)
- Great athletic defensive big
- Lob Threat - gives our driving guards a lot of room to work with because of his vertical threat
- Hungry & highly efficient scorer at the rim

What the ****? Olynyk put up numbers for a team full of G-leaguers in which big usage was available. They routinely played only 7-8 guys to finish the season. What has he done with the Heat exactly? I'm waiting. People paying him for some empty stats in a small sample size need to be fired.


Also Holmes is gonna get 20 mil a year deservedly so. He's the real deal. You got it all mixed up here, Holmes is way better than Olynyk and he's the one getting the money.

[Young_Fashioned]

I think we should go back after Dwight, if that doesn't work then definitely go after Whiteside -- he's a legit lob threat, can actually catch the ball unlike Drummond, provides much better rim protection, and is a great rebounder himself, not to mention he'd only cost the vet's minimum. Don't want Drummond back even if it's for the minimum, I'd honestly rather Damian Jones over Drummond.

[lazybatman]

If Drummond doesnt take the mid level exception type of contract, what are the chances we can get Kelly Olynyk next year as a replacement?

No chance. He's getting paid this season as an FA. We can't afford to pay him. 19-8.4-4 with 54.5% fg & 39.2% 3 fg splits.


Rechawn Holmes - cheaper option(5m)
- Great athletic defensive big
- Lob Threat - gives our driving guards a lot of room to work with because of his vertical threat
- Hungry & highly efficient scorer at the rim

What the ****? Olynyk put up numbers for a team full of G-leaguers in which big usage was available. They routinely played only 7-8 guys to finish the season. What has he done with the Heat exactly? I'm waiting. People paying him for some empty stats in a small sample size need to be fired.


Also Holmes is gonna get 20 mil a year deservedly so. He's the real deal. You got it all mixed up here, Holmes is way better than Olynyk and he's the one getting the money.

However they come, he's gonna get paid. Not Dennis' 100m lol, but 15m(that we don't have) ain't a stretch for a 39% shooting center. And he's unleashed a nice assist game this season. He's a defensive weakness, who often resorts to dirty plays to cover it up. Not a fan.

Rechaun 20m. You trippin bro. This ain't the 80s. Shoot the 3 if you wanna get paid. Rudy is the only exception. Drum ain't getting 10m in the open market from a playoff team now. That era is O-V-E-R!

[lazybatman]

I think we should go back after Dwight, if that doesn't work then definitely go after Whiteside -- he's a legit lob threat, can actually catch the ball unlike Drummond, provides much better rim protection, and is a great rebounder himself, not to mention he'd only cost the vet's minimum. Don't want Drummond back even if it's for the minimum, I'd honestly rather Damian Jones over Drummond.

Gasol is a better defensively and offensively on each & every advanced metric, despite playing most of the year without AD.

Dumbass Dwight was useless in 3 or our 4 playoff series, and a Net negative DRTG, DBPM and Net Rtg through out the playoffs on a team that won the championship - that's hard to do. AD won that series against the Nuggets/Joker, not Dwight, who was busy picking up more fouls than points/rebounds per minute. But sure, we love to see him cheering his a*ss off from the bench, so lets bring him back

[Kilroy]

Yeah people remember a handful of plays from the playoffs last season but forget in the WCF and Finals, Dwight couldn't stay on the court and barely played. He's athletic, powerful, and intimidating, but he's kinda dumb... And prone to bad fouls and Techs... At least one time last playoffs, his antics resulted in a massive momentum shift and cost us a game and made the series much tougher...

I wouldn't be against bringing him back, but I wouldn't go out of my way either...

[Young_Fashioned]

I think we should go back after Dwight, if that doesn't work then definitely go after Whiteside -- he's a legit lob threat, can actually catch the ball unlike Drummond, provides much better rim protection, and is a great rebounder himself, not to mention he'd only cost the vet's minimum. Don't want Drummond back even if it's for the minimum, I'd honestly rather Damian Jones over Drummond.

Gasol is a better defensively and offensively on each & every advanced metric, despite playing most of the year without AD.

Dumbass Dwight was useless in 3 or our 4 playoff series, and a Net negative DRTG, DBPM and Net Rtg through out the playoffs on a team that won the championship - that's hard to do. AD won that series against the Nuggets/Joker, not Dwight, who was busy picking up more fouls than points/rebounds per minute. But sure, we love to see him cheering his a*ss off from the bench, so lets bring him back

I don't see why you're bringing up Gasol as if I said I wanted him off the team.

Secondly, Dwight was useful in 2 of our 4 playoff series and that's because he's a matchup big. He's not the type of big you can and should use against every team in a playoff series. He averaged 8 and 5 against the Nuggets and 8 and 7 against the Blazers, that's with him sharing minutes at Center with McGee and AD. Not to mention he wasn't negative in DBPM and had a similar DRTG to Davis (107 vs 108) Don't quote me with bull **** that isn't true.

Dwight's a better fit on this team than Drummond is for a fraction of the cost.

[Young_Fashioned]

Yeah people remember a handful of plays from the playoffs last season but forget in the WCF and Finals, Dwight couldn't stay on the court and barely played. He's athletic, powerful, and intimidating, but he's kinda dumb... And prone to bad fouls and Techs... At least one time last playoffs, his antics resulted in a massive momentum shift and cost us a game and made the series much tougher...

I wouldn't be against bringing him back, but I wouldn't go out of my way either...

If you could understand team fit and cap space, you'd realize he's one of the best options to replace Drummond. I don't know what center you expect the team to be able to get when we're capped out, there's not many options out there, and it's not a priority position seeing as though AD plays a lot of Center in the playoffs.

We just wasted the MLE on a Center who received multiple DNP-CDs so I doubt they'll do that again and that leaves us with the minimum and once again, there's not a long list of better options than Dwight.

[Kilroy]

Yeah people remember a handful of plays from the playoffs last season but forget in the WCF and Finals, Dwight couldn't stay on the court and barely played. He's athletic, powerful, and intimidating, but he's kinda dumb... And prone to bad fouls and Techs... At least one time last playoffs, his antics resulted in a massive momentum shift and cost us a game and made the series much tougher...

I wouldn't be against bringing him back, but I wouldn't go out of my way either...

If you could understand team fit and cap space, you'd realize he's one of the best options to replace Drummond. I don't know what center you expect the team to be able to get when we're capped out, there's not many options out there, and it's not a priority position seeing as though AD plays a lot of Center in the playoffs.

We just wasted the MLE on a Center who received multiple DNP-CDs so I doubt they'll do that again and that leaves us with the minimum and once again, there's not a long list of better options than Dwight.

[Young_Fashioned]

Yeah people remember a handful of plays from the playoffs last season but forget in the WCF and Finals, Dwight couldn't stay on the court and barely played. He's athletic, powerful, and intimidating, but he's kinda dumb... And prone to bad fouls and Techs... At least one time last playoffs, his antics resulted in a massive momentum shift and cost us a game and made the series much tougher...

I wouldn't be against bringing him back, but I wouldn't go out of my way either...

If you could understand team fit and cap space, you'd realize he's one of the best options to replace Drummond. I don't know what center you expect the team to be able to get when we're capped out, there's not many options out there, and it's not a priority position seeing as though AD plays a lot of Center in the playoffs.

We just wasted the MLE on a Center who received multiple DNP-CDs so I doubt they'll do that again and that leaves us with the minimum and once again, there's not a long list of better options than Dwight.

List better, realistic options, jack ass. Otherwise, stfu.

Warned: Personal attack. This is completely unnecessary and over the top. Play nice or find another forum. -Kilroy

[lazybatman]

I think we should go back after Dwight, if that doesn't work then definitely go after Whiteside -- he's a legit lob threat, can actually catch the ball unlike Drummond, provides much better rim protection, and is a great rebounder himself, not to mention he'd only cost the vet's minimum. Don't want Drummond back even if it's for the minimum, I'd honestly rather Damian Jones over Drummond.

Gasol is a better defensively and offensively on each & every advanced metric, despite playing most of the year without AD.

Dumbass Dwight was useless in 3 or our 4 playoff series, and a Net negative DRTG, DBPM and Net Rtg through out the playoffs on a team that won the championship - that's hard to do. AD won that series against the Nuggets/Joker, not Dwight, who was busy picking up more fouls than points/rebounds per minute. But sure, we love to see him cheering his a*ss off from the bench, so lets bring him back

I don't see why you're bringing up Gasol as if I said I wanted him off the team.

Secondly, Dwight was useful in 2 of our 4 playoff series and that's because he's a matchup big. He's not the type of big you can and should use against every team in a playoff series. He averaged 8 and 5 against the Nuggets and 8 and 7 against the Blazers, that's with him sharing minutes at Center with McGee and AD. Not to mention he wasn't negative in DBPM and had a similar DRTG to Davis (107 vs 108) Don't quote me with bull **** that isn't true.

Dwight's a better fit on this team than Drummond is for a fraction of the cost.

My bad. I hate people always bringing up Dwight, as if he was some savior last year. Drum & Gasol look plenty sweet this year, if AD/Bron were healthy too. AD makes everyone look good in the post.

8/7 & 8/5 aren't great numbers when you're also constantly putting the team in FT penalty @ 6 minute mark of a quarter, picking up 4-6 fouls in 18mpg. I used to hate Dwight's minutes when he played here, so Good Riddance & No thank you.

[Young_Fashioned]

If you could understand team fit and cap space, you'd realize he's one of the best options to replace Drummond. I don't know what center you expect the team to be able to get when we're capped out, there's not many options out there, and it's not a priority position seeing as though AD plays a lot of Center in the playoffs.

We just wasted the MLE on a Center who received multiple DNP-CDs so I doubt they'll do that again and that leaves us with the minimum and once again, there's not a long list of better options than Dwight.

List better, realistic options, jack ass. Otherwise, stfu.

Warned: Personal attack. This is completely unnecessary and over the top. Play nice or find another forum. -Kilroy

How about you try not being corny and condescending with laughing emojis and contribute to the discussion and you won't get personally attacked.

[Young_Fashioned]

Gasol is a better defensively and offensively on each & every advanced metric, despite playing most of the year without AD.

Dumbass Dwight was useless in 3 or our 4 playoff series, and a Net negative DRTG, DBPM and Net Rtg through out the playoffs on a team that won the championship - that's hard to do. AD won that series against the Nuggets/Joker, not Dwight, who was busy picking up more fouls than points/rebounds per minute. But sure, we love to see him cheering his a*ss off from the bench, so lets bring him back

I don't see why you're bringing up Gasol as if I said I wanted him off the team.

Secondly, Dwight was useful in 2 of our 4 playoff series and that's because he's a matchup big. He's not the type of big you can and should use against every team in a playoff series. He averaged 8 and 5 against the Nuggets and 8 and 7 against the Blazers, that's with him sharing minutes at Center with McGee and AD. Not to mention he wasn't negative in DBPM and had a similar DRTG to Davis (107 vs 108) Don't quote me with bull **** that isn't true.

Dwight's a better fit on this team than Drummond is for a fraction of the cost.

My bad. I hate people always bringing up Dwight, as if he was some savior last year. Drum & Gasol look plenty sweet this year, if AD/Bron were healthy too. AD makes everyone look good in the post.

8/7 & 8/5 aren't great numbers when you're also constantly putting the team in FT penalty @ 6 minute mark of a quarter, picking up 4-6 fouls in 18mpg. I used to hate Dwight's minutes when he played here, so Good Riddance & No thank you.

Drum just doesn't fit on this team, the lane was noticeably clogged whenever he was on the floor with AD and it wasn't because he can't space the floor, it's because he also doesn't offer verticality/lob threat, Dwight offers that. As for the fouling, I agree I hated that. The question remains, who do you think are better realistic options? Because odds are, Drummond isn't coming back.

[Kilroy]

List better, realistic options, jack ass. Otherwise, stfu.

Warned: Personal attack. This is completely unnecessary and over the top. Play nice or find another forum. -Kilroy

How about you try not being corny and condescending with laughing emojis and contribute to the discussion and you won't get personally attacked.

You're initial response to me was a ridiculous, over the top attack which addressed nothing I said... You followed that up with a full on insulting personal attack. You clearly have not been reading the posts here over the past year because, if you had instead of coming in all entitled and self-righteous, you would know that the topics of what happened to Dwight, and what to do about Drummond, have been discussed in depth. I have put forth numerous better options for Drummond, including the benefits of rolling with him for another year on the cheap...
So basically... Grow up. Learn how to communicate like an adult. Or just go away.

[lazybatman]

Yeah people remember a handful of plays from the playoffs last season but forget in the WCF and Finals, Dwight couldn't stay on the court and barely played. He's athletic, powerful, and intimidating, but he's kinda dumb... And prone to bad fouls and Techs... At least one time last playoffs, his antics resulted in a massive momentum shift and cost us a game and made the series much tougher...

I wouldn't be against bringing him back, but I wouldn't go out of my way either...

If you could understand team fit and cap space, you'd realize he's one of the best options to replace Drummond. I don't know what center you expect the team to be able to get when we're capped out, there's not many options out there, and it's not a priority position seeing as though AD plays a lot of Center in the playoffs.

We just wasted the MLE on a Center who received multiple DNP-CDs so I doubt they'll do that again and that leaves us with the minimum and once again, there's not a long list of better options than Dwight.

Dwight's quite possibly one of the top 5 the worst centers in the league. His relentless fouling(only 15% while contesting shots) used to knock the wind out of our runs so often, it still gives me nightmares.

This very much depends on AD. If he's okay playing Center for 30 mins in playoffs, we can bring in a minimum guys like Damien Jones, Boogie, Dieng, Whiteside as a reserve behind Gasol. And look at trades for playmakers and 3&D wings.

If he's adamant about not wanting to play Center, unless it's against small ball units, then I'll be looking at Myles Turner very seriously. He is the creme de la creme of the non Jokic/Embiid centers class rn and been available since last year.
- Tied up on a nice 2 yr contract too
- Solid 35% 3 point shooter - so he and AD do not get in each other's way. Combined with his athleticism, it means he's never unplayable because of a weakness
- NBA's #1 shot blocker and most shots contested. Was in DPOY contention before Pacers started benching him for Sabonis.
- Weak rebounder, as a result of how intensely he's always trying to contest shots, which leaves him out of rebounding position

I was also thinking I'd spotted a diamond in the rough in Rechaun Holmes, but he's got plenty of attention on him. He might be a MLE / 12m level player we can't afford.

[lazybatman]

I don't see why you're bringing up Gasol as if I said I wanted him off the team.

Secondly, Dwight was useful in 2 of our 4 playoff series and that's because he's a matchup big. He's not the type of big you can and should use against every team in a playoff series. He averaged 8 and 5 against the Nuggets and 8 and 7 against the Blazers, that's with him sharing minutes at Center with McGee and AD. Not to mention he wasn't negative in DBPM and had a similar DRTG to Davis (107 vs 108) Don't quote me with bull **** that isn't true.

Dwight's a better fit on this team than Drummond is for a fraction of the cost.

My bad. I hate people always bringing up Dwight, as if he was some savior last year. Drum & Gasol look plenty sweet this year, if AD/Bron were healthy too. AD makes everyone look good in the post.

8/7 & 8/5 aren't great numbers when you're also constantly putting the team in FT penalty @ 6 minute mark of a quarter, picking up 4-6 fouls in 18mpg. I used to hate Dwight's minutes when he played here, so Good Riddance & No thank you.

Drum just doesn't fit on this team, the lane was noticeably clogged whenever he was on the floor with AD and it wasn't because he can't space the floor, it's because he also doesn't offer verticality/lob threat, Dwight offers that. As for the fouling, I agree I hated that. The question remains, who do you think are better realistic options? Because odds are, Drummond isn't coming back.

Dwight & McGee didn't fit either, but we found a way to work with them through 1 full 82 games healthy season. Drum has his weaknesses -
- Penguin Wings instead of hands - that's why he can't catch anything
- Collects 3-4 rebounds a game from his own misses, which mean less than nothing
- Doesn't seem to have a clue what he can do with his body. Dennis Schroeder is more physical than him.
- Shot selection

But AD had those Game 2,3 performances and the a few big games towards the end of the regular season with him on the floor. And despite playing Marc major minutes in Game 5, and DNP-CD Drum in Game 6, we still scored only 85 & 100 points in both games. Devin Booker or not, we ain't winning nothing shooting 29% from 3, and I swear that number was 36% in Game 5.

[lazybatman]

Pelinka need to bring back Javale and Dwight.

Uhh No

[Young_Fashioned]

Yeah people remember a handful of plays from the playoffs last season but forget in the WCF and Finals, Dwight couldn't stay on the court and barely played. He's athletic, powerful, and intimidating, but he's kinda dumb... And prone to bad fouls and Techs... At least one time last playoffs, his antics resulted in a massive momentum shift and cost us a game and made the series much tougher...

I wouldn't be against bringing him back, but I wouldn't go out of my way either...

If you could understand team fit and cap space, you'd realize he's one of the best options to replace Drummond. I don't know what center you expect the team to be able to get when we're capped out, there's not many options out there, and it's not a priority position seeing as though AD plays a lot of Center in the playoffs.

We just wasted the MLE on a Center who received multiple DNP-CDs so I doubt they'll do that again and that leaves us with the minimum and once again, there's not a long list of better options than Dwight.

Dwight's quite possibly one of the top 5 the worst centers in the league. His relentless fouling(only 15% while contesting shots) used to knock the wind out of our runs so often, it still gives me nightmares.

This very much depends on AD. If he's okay playing Center for 30 mins in playoffs, we can bring in a minimum guys like Damien Jones, Boogie, Dieng, Whiteside as a reserve behind Gasol. And look at trades for playmakers and 3&D wings.

If he's adamant about not wanting to play Center, unless it's against small ball units, then I'll be looking at Myles Turner very seriously. He is the creme de la creme of the non Jokic/Embiid centers class rn and been available since last year.
- Tied up on a nice 2 yr contract too
- Solid 35% 3 point shooter - so he and AD do not get in each other's way. Combined with his athleticism, it means he's never unplayable because of a weakness
- NBA's #1 shot blocker and most shots contested. Was in DPOY contention before Pacers started benching him for Sabonis.
- Weak rebounder, as a result of how intensely he's always trying to contest shots, which leaves him out of rebounding position

I was also thinking I'd spotted a diamond in the rough in Rechaun Holmes, but he's got plenty of attention on him. He might be a MLE / 12m level player we can't afford.

Well, I did suggest Whiteside and Jones, Turner would be the perfect fit but does Kuzma or KCP and a 1st get him? Boogie is basically the same type of player as Gasol -- spaces the court, but slow footed and can get abused in the P&R, doubt they go after him. Dieng is an interesting option, I could see that. Holmes is definitely getting more the MLE, but even if he didn't it's not worth using it on him when he'd probably end up in the same position Harrell did, collecting DNPs in the playoffs. Better off using the MLE on a wing or backcourt player.

[LAKESHOW]

We are spoiled round here when it comes to 5s. Weve got guys whos jerseys hanging on the walls, who would just Cram a basketball down your throat, or skyhook you to death, or legendary guy like Wilt.
Drummond is a big 7footer, that just plays with blase blase. His moves don't seem particularly powerful, his hands drop passes, his footwork not too stellar, and is just an overall so so.
The game has changed for sure. But I was expecting alot more from this maneuver at the time it was made, and it did not measure up or deliver.