2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3

[ADeP7]

Can we just move up and go get Davion mitchell

What would that cost

[cgf]

Can we just move up and go get Davion mitchell

What would that cost

Why not just stay at 19 & draft someone just as good (if not better)?

[stuporman]

Can we just move up and go get Davion mitchell

What would that cost

Why not just stay at 19 & draft someone just as good (if not better)?

Who is it that you think will be there at 19 that is just as good if not better than Mitchell?

[cgf]

Can we just move up and go get Davion mitchell

What would that cost

Why not just stay at 19 & draft someone just as good (if not better)?

Who is it that you think will be there at 19 that is just as good if not better than Mitchell?

If any of Ziaire, Bouknight, Moody, Giddey or Kai Jones makes it to 19, them.

If not, then his team-mate Jared Butler, Florida's Tre Mann or Tennessee's Jared Springer are in the same tier as Mitchell for me. I can get preferring Mitchell, but I just don't see substantially more upside in him...like I do a Keon Johnson...nor is he significantly safer. So I feel like he's very likely to get over-drafted, and I wouldn't want to pay the price to be the team that does so.

I just think you should draft for what guys should be in their 3rd season & beyond, rather than what they should give you as rookies / sophomores.

[WargamesX]

Why not just stay at 19 & draft someone just as good (if not better)?

Who is it that you think will be there at 19 that is just as good if not better than Mitchell?

If any of Ziaire, Bouknight, Moody, Giddey or Kai Jones makes it to 19, them.

If not, then his team-mate Jared Butler, Florida's Terrence Mann or Tennessee's Jared Springer are in the same tier as Mitchell for me. I can get preferring Mitchell, but I just don't see substantially more upside in him...like I do a Keon Johnson...nor is he significantly safer. So I feel like he's very likely to get over-drafted, and I wouldn't want to pay the price to be the team that does so.

I just think you should draft for what guys should be in their 3rd season & beyond, rather than what they should give you as rookies / sophomores.

They should draft Tre Mann and Trey Murphy and knickname them Ewing..... IYKYK

Spoiler:

Trey,Tre = 33

[stuporman]

Why not just stay at 19 & draft someone just as good (if not better)?

Who is it that you think will be there at 19 that is just as good if not better than Mitchell?

If any of Ziaire, Bouknight, Moody, Giddey or Kai Jones makes it to 19, them.

If not, then his team-mate Jared Butler, Florida's Tre Mann or Tennessee's Jared Springer are in the same tier as Mitchell for me. I can get preferring Mitchell, but I just don't see substantially more upside in him...like I do a Keon Johnson...nor is he significantly safer. So I feel like he's very likely to get over-drafted, and I wouldn't want to pay the price to be the team that does so.

I just think you should draft for what guys should be in their 3rd season & beyond, rather than what they should give you as rookies / sophomores.

So you think all those players will be just as good if not better than Mitchell?

Picking players what you imagine they will be in the 3rd season and beyond instead of picking players based on what they have demonstrated they can actually do not just 'potentially' maybe some day they might do is why the Knicks took Knox and Frank.

I'm not saying the Knicks should trade up though, it may cost too much for a question mark, there are no guarantees.

[G_K_F]

You gotta trade up because we hired a coach who will not play 2 additional rookies.

We'll be lucky if he plays one additional rookie next year.

[Richard4444]

Can we just move up and go get Davion mitchell

What would that cost

Davion Mitchell played very well in College. But can you trust a 64% FT shooter?

[stuporman]

Thibs played 2 rookies this year.... next year they aren't rookies so it wouldn't be two additional rookies....it still would be just 2 rookies if he thinks they are good enough to play.

The Knicks need as many shots at finding an impact player in this draft and it doesn't matter if they have a rookie or two not playing in the rotation regularly if one or two of them do find their way into it.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I feel like Ziaire Williams is going to move up, the skinny 6'8" wing that might be able to shoot and create shots is why someone like Cam Reddish goes in the lottery. I can already hear the Paul George comps for him on draft night. If he's at 19, I'd say take him, he's a swing for the fences high risk high reward type player to me, since you're going to need to wait for him to gain weight and hope the skills develop as well. I doubt he falls there though, once teams get him in for workouts he'll rise.

[aq_ua]

Thibs played 2 rookies this year.... next year they aren't rookies so it wouldn't be two additional rookies....it still would be just 2 rookies if he thinks they are good enough to play.

The Knicks need as many shots at finding an impact player in this draft and it doesn't matter if they have a rookie or two not playing in the rotation regularly if one or two of them do find their way into it.

Also have to factor in that Thibs runs 10 man rotations.

C: Mitch
PF: Randle / Obi
SF:
SG: RJ
PG: Quickley

Those are 5 players already pretty much guaranteed to be in the rotation, so we only have 5 more meaningful roster spots.
If we bring back any two of Bullock, Burks, Rose, Gibson or Noel, that leaves 3 spots remaining.

We will have a ton of cap space, so at least one significant addition is coming in via free agency or trade, which leaves 2 spots.

Thibs will have Vildoza and Knox at the very least to choose from, if not other veteran free agent signings.

All of which is to say, even if we stay where we are and bring in 4 rookies (unlikely as it is), the roster math says Thibs won't be forced to actually put them in the rotation, so that won't need to be the primary consideration here.

[knickstape21]

Do anything and everything to go get Davion Mitchell. He’s built for Thibs and NY.

[DaGawd]

Package Obi/IQ and both our pick and Mavs picks for a top 5 pick

[cgf]

Who is it that you think will be there at 19 that is just as good if not better than Mitchell?

If any of Ziaire, Bouknight, Moody, Giddey or Kai Jones makes it to 19, them.

If not, then his team-mate Jared Butler, Florida's Tre Mann or Tennessee's Jared Springer are in the same tier as Mitchell for me. I can get preferring Mitchell, but I just don't see substantially more upside in him...like I do a Keon Johnson...nor is he significantly safer. So I feel like he's very likely to get over-drafted, and I wouldn't want to pay the price to be the team that does so.

I just think you should draft for what guys should be in their 3rd season & beyond, rather than what they should give you as rookies / sophomores.

So you think all those players will be just as good if not better than Mitchell?

Picking players what you imagine they will be in the 3rd season and beyond instead of picking players based on what they have demonstrated they can actually do not just 'potentially' maybe some day they might do is why the Knicks took Knox and Frank.

I'm not saying the Knicks should trade up though, it may cost too much for a question mark, there are no guarantees.

i think they are better prospects, but whether they end up better players in their primes is something that only time will tell. Never know who will stagnate before making good on their realistic potential due to environment, injuries, or simply growing complacent.

Bad scouts make bad picks whether they are picking for year 1 or for the future. Picking for the future is also how teams drafted Kawhi, Giannis, Paul George, Bam, etc. outside of the top 10. While the list of "NBA ready" busts is every bit as long as the list of busts who were drafted for the future.


Plus the warning signs were there with Knox, as he would check out at Kentucky and his drive/motor were questioned before the draft.

[Davis18]

Package Obi/IQ and both our pick and Mavs picks for a top 5 pick

If Toronto get top 5 pick, do we offer RJ for the pick?

[DaGawd]

Package Obi/IQ and both our pick and Mavs picks for a top 5 pick

If Toronto get top 5 pick, do we offer RJ for the pick?

We wont but I’d do it.. not sure the Raptors accept tho

[Deeeez Knicks]

Read on Twitter

Jared Butler + Ziaire Williams in this mock. I like that one.

Then grab BJ Boston or Deuce McBride in the 2nd round.

[ENYK]

Package Obi/IQ and both our pick and Mavs picks for a top 5 pick

I'd rather send RJ than IQ... IQ is arguably already a better offensive weapon than RJ.

I'd do it for a top 4 pick. By the time the 5th pick rolls around, not as enticing... Can't get excited about the Knicks getting the draft rights to Jonathan Kuminga.

[ENYK]

Some of you are saying Ziaire Williams without realizing that Thibs would never play him and he'd never develop here.

[cgf]

Some of you are saying Ziaire Williams without realizing that Thibs would never play him and he'd never develop here.

This meme is bad & you should feel bad for repeating it.

Simply no part of it is true. Thibs had no qualms about giving young players big roles; RJ was 2nd on the team in minutes & Mitch was 3rd at the time of his injury (though Bullock eventually surpassed him). While also giving every young player on the squad a shot at securing a rotation spot, Frank & Knox just failed to do so. And kids can progress without getting massive PT as rookies, as we saw with Obi.