The uncomfortable "truth" about this season (Julius and RJ)

[thebuzzardman]

I’m saying their games are very different. Derozan had a much better handle, always had a mid range game and isn’t a stiff athlete. Much different prospects so the comparison is meaningless.

Derozan did not have a much better handle. He could not really create on his own. He needed a PG to set him up. In fact, even though he was really athletic, he didn't have a great first step, which wasn't helped by his handle. His mid-range game was always developing until it became automatic a few years into the league, not his second year. So what you're saying isn't true. He wasn't a good halfcourt player and he couldn't create for himself or others.

DeRozan was an open court dunker and athlete coming out of USC. He had a pullups game but it wasn't automatic. He had an okay straight line handle but not a tight spaces handle. He wasn't a creative or effective passer, either. He was more agile than RJ and limber but not so much more.

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RJ less agile and limber than this guy:

[3toheadmelo]

Derozan had a worse handle than RJ has now.

So show me footage of RJ creating shots off the dribble in college like Derozan did. I’m still waiting.

Wait, back up. 16 mid range jumpers, some of them just spot up jumpers, in a 30+ game season, is Derozan creating shots off the dribble? Lol.

Looks like you didn’t watch the video

[Fury]

16 is much more than RJ’s complete non existent mid range. And he’s actually creating some of them, unlike RJ who created like one jumpshot off the dribble in college. So Derozan always flashed the skills he has now… RJ didn’t flash those same skills Derozan has. And athletically, Derozan blows him away in that area. So that is my point. They’re completely different players.

And again my point, their production is very similar. But you don't believe in numbers because of Frank or some ****, so that's your problem.

Yes, Derozan had a great one dribble mid-range. Awesome. That's dope. Great. Awesome. Dope. If RJ decides to develop a 3 pointer instead, that's better for us.

When Derozan came into this league, he was assisted on most of his shots. So whatever skill he flashed, it wasn't helping him like that at the time. Barrett has demonstrated more of an ability to create than Derozan did at this point of their careers (and a much better 3 pointer). So it all balances out to similar production. Which is my point. Just the level of player.

As long as you flashed the skills from early on that’s what matters. All the great scorers in this league has. Derozan was hitting pull up jumpers, couple fadeaways in the mid post , and even had a nasty crossover with a pull up jumper in that video. So the skill level was already there. RJ in college just bullied his way to the rim the same way he is now. You stay ducking me when I ask you to pull up RJ hitting those same shots in college. Cause you know you’re wrong.

I'm not ducking ****, he's on the freaking Knicks and you could watch him every night. Derozan averaged like 12 pts a game in college lol. He wasn't hitting pull up jumpers and fadeaways and **** most of the time. Some mixtape doesn't mean ****.

[Fury]

So show me footage of RJ creating shots off the dribble in college like Derozan did. I’m still waiting.

Wait, back up. 16 mid range jumpers, some of them just spot up jumpers, in a 30+ game season, is Derozan creating shots off the dribble? Lol.

Looks like you didn’t watch the video

Huh? I counted 16. No need to lie now. You can go count if you want. He had way more dunks.

[ENYK]

What's the point of having a burly guy like Randle when the entire league revolves around 4 guards and a rim runner?

I mean, he has nice skills and by adding the 3, I trust him more to be a complimentary player, but it's not really where the league is going.

All the rule changes are to facilitate the small and the skinny to be able to score. Pubic Lollipop would have gotten crushed 20 years ago.

Play RJ at PF.

Throwing a bunch of money at Randle is like the Sixers committing to Tobias Harris as part of a big three when they still don't have a single player who can create his own offense on the perimeter... Some FOs think it's still 2010.

[3toheadmelo]

And again my point, their production is very similar. But you don't believe in numbers because of Frank or some ****, so that's your problem.

Yes, Derozan had a great one dribble mid-range. Awesome. That's dope. Great. Awesome. Dope. If RJ decides to develop a 3 pointer instead, that's better for us.

When Derozan came into this league, he was assisted on most of his shots. So whatever skill he flashed, it wasn't helping him like that at the time. Barrett has demonstrated more of an ability to create than Derozan did at this point of their careers (and a much better 3 pointer). So it all balances out to similar production. Which is my point. Just the level of player.

As long as you flashed the skills from early on that’s what matters. All the great scorers in this league has. Derozan was hitting pull up jumpers, couple fadeaways in the mid post , and even had a nasty crossover with a pull up jumper in that video. So the skill level was already there. RJ in college just bullied his way to the rim the same way he is now. You stay ducking me when I ask you to pull up RJ hitting those same shots in college. Cause you know you’re wrong.

I'm not ducking ****, he's on the freaking Knicks and you could watch him every night. Derozan averaged like 12 pts a game in college lol. He wasn't hitting pull up jumpers and fadeaways and **** most of the time. Some mixtape doesn't mean ****.

Yet the video shows the complete opposite of what you’re saying. I’m done here. You can continue with your homer stuff and ducking the smoke. Adios!

[thebuzzardman]

What's the point of having a burly guy like Randle when the entire league revolves around 4 guards and a rim runner?

I mean, he has nice skills and by adding the 3, I trust him more to be a complimentary player, but it's not really where the league is going.

All the rule changes are to facilitate the small and the skinny to be able to score. Pubic Lollipop would have gotten crushed 20 years ago.

Play RJ at PF.

Throwing a bunch of money at Randle is like the Sixers committing to Tobias Harris as part of a big three when they still don't have a single player who can create his own offense on the perimeter... Some FOs think it's still 2010.

I like(d) Harris but 40 million for that guy is NUTS. It's a large part of the reason 76'ers can't get fully over the hump. You could have two players just as good for that price.

[Fury]

As long as you flashed the skills from early on that’s what matters. All the great scorers in this league has. Derozan was hitting pull up jumpers, couple fadeaways in the mid post , and even had a nasty crossover with a pull up jumper in that video. So the skill level was already there. RJ in college just bullied his way to the rim the same way he is now. You stay ducking me when I ask you to pull up RJ hitting those same shots in college. Cause you know you’re wrong.

I'm not ducking ****, he's on the freaking Knicks and you could watch him every night. Derozan averaged like 12 pts a game in college lol. He wasn't hitting pull up jumpers and fadeaways and **** most of the time. Some mixtape doesn't mean ****.

Yet the video shows the complete opposite of what you’re saying. I’m done here. You can continue with your homer stuff and ducking the smoke. Adios!

16 mid range jump shots in a 30+ game season in a 6+ minute video. 2.5 jumpers per minute. So many pull ups and fadeaways! Keep ducking the smoke, keep showing your age. And keep denying facts. Demar Derozn was assisted on over 60% of his shots until year 4. So **** off with your bull and keep jerking off to one pull up jumper a game.

[ENYK]

What's the point of having a burly guy like Randle when the entire league revolves around 4 guards and a rim runner?

I mean, he has nice skills and by adding the 3, I trust him more to be a complimentary player, but it's not really where the league is going.

All the rule changes are to facilitate the small and the skinny to be able to score. Pubic Lollipop would have gotten crushed 20 years ago.

Play RJ at PF.

Throwing a bunch of money at Randle is like the Sixers committing to Tobias Harris as part of a big three when they still don't have a single player who can create his own offense on the perimeter... Some FOs think it's still 2010.

I like(d) Harris but 40 million for that guy is NUTS. It's a large part of the reason 76'ers can't get fully over the hump. You could have two players just as good for that price.

There's just too much of an overlap there in skill sets... Philly spent all of its money on big strong guys who can muscle up and dominate the interior. And they spent peanuts on their perimeter players...

It's basically the opposite of a blueprint for success in 2021. Embiid is by far the best Center of the past decade or so, and they are completely wasting his prime (which is going to be short due to injury). Turn Ben and Tobias into a single consistent outside threat, and that team wins a couple of championships.

[god shammgod]

lot of anger in here. hate to see it.

[3toheadmelo]

Seems like people have a hard time understanding what flashes mean. The great scorers in this league flashed those skills early on. RJ hasn’t and still hasn’t shown any creativity besides driving to the rim for basic layups. You guys can keep comparing him to the likes of Tatum, Harden, Brown, Derozan, Etc. We all know how this is gonna end. Honestly I wonder if people here actually played basketball. Y’all be using analytics as if it tells the whole story and correctly predicts players outcomes. Yikes. I’m out.

[3toheadmelo]

lot of anger in here. hate to see it.

He’s mad cause I don’t think RJ is a future star lol

[Fury]

Seems like people have a hard time understanding what flashes mean. The great scorers in this league flashed those skills early on. RJ hasn’t and still hasn’t shown any creativity besides driving to the rim for basic layups. You guys can keep comparing him to the likes of Tatum, Harden, Brown, Derozan, Etc. We all know how this is gonna end. Honestly I wonder if people here actually played basketball. Y’all be using analytics as if it tells the whole story and correctly predicts players outcomes. Yikes. I’m out.

Now its FLASHE'S! Before Derozan did these things, but now it's FLASHES. Flashes isn't enough. RJ has shown flashes of going to the rim with crazy euro steps and crafty moves and I don't see you giving him the same credit. Your dumbass picks out a few moves, but I said that he didn't do it MOST OF THE TIME. MOST. Did you even graduate high school? Derozan didn't create for himself until he was in his 4th year in the league. So with all that handle and ****, he didn't show it. Your isolated small sample sized video clips don't support your narrative.

And next time quote me, you little punk.

[3toheadmelo]

[DaGawd]

Trade RJ inna package for a top 5 pick.. profit

[Fury]

Yep, again with no support for your BS. Ignorance really is bliss.

[Ghetto Gospel]

lot of anger in here. hate to see it.

but do you really hate it

[Rasho Brezec]

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[WajaBawl]

Trade RJ inna package for a top 5 pick.. profit

I honestly wouldn't be against it. thebuzzardman hit it right on the nail, the league caters to creative shot creators and wings that can create on the perimeter. RJ is a bully-ball type player who's managed to improve his 3-point shot, but nothing else really.

The fact that people fail to see that is pretty mind-boggling.

[Marty McFly]

Trade RJ inna package for a top 5 pick.. profit

too low. I'd absolutely trade him in a package for the first pick. top 5 is too much breathing room for the knicks to **** up.