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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#21 » by Prokorov » Wed Jun 9, 2021 3:13 pm

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I like PJ Tucker. The guy is a pro and plays hard. But this is a clear example of how talent trumps everything. It doesn't matter what he does defensively. Durant's pull up and release is probably the most unstoppable basketball shot in modern basketball, easily on par with post Jordan's fadeaway, Duncan's bankshot and Dirk's one footer.

I don't have the numbers for any of those, but this dude pulls up with defenders within inches from him and they have no effect on his shot a majority of the time.


I've been a pretty harsh critic of Durant going back to his OKC days, mainly because despite what you say about his ability to pull up and shoot over anyone, he's had legit struggles in the PS before he joined GS. And then with GS, he was on the most stacked team of all time, and so obviously he was gonna put up dominant numbers, because defenses often times looked more scared of Curry than they were Durant, and so he had so much more freedom to do whatever he wanted.

But now in Brooklyn, without James Harden (meaning it's definitely not a super team, it's Kyrie and a bunch of role players), he's still dominating against a good defensive team with the reigning DPOY, and good defenders all over the place.

So it's making me rethink my criticisms of him from before...maybe the reason he struggled in the PS with OKC is because despite having Westbrook and good role players, those teams had awful spacing, and so it allowed defenses to collapse on him and force him into really tough shots, force him into being a ball handler and passer which are not his strengths, and it led to a drop-off in his efficiency. So he didn't necessarily need a team as stacked as GS...he just needed a team that had good spacing and a lead guard capable of taking up the ball handling and playmaking responsibilities, so that he could focus on what he does best.

And that's a reasonable expectation, everybody needs help. So the criticisms of his struggles in OKC may be too harsh, it may have had more to do with poor roster construction than fundamental deficiencies in Durant's game.



It is hard for me to agree that he struggle in the playoffs in OKC. I think thats more just focusing on speciic games maybe?

He led the NBA playoffs in scoring 4 of his 6 seasons in OKC. Overall 28 ppg his career in the playoffs in okc. his rookie year he shot awful in the playoffs, but that was 1 season as a rookie. His last year in okc he shot poorly from three for the run but that was weighed down a bit by 1 bad series.

28/8/3/1/1 on 46/35/84 with 56.5 TS%

not super elite, but still very good. especially if you remove his rookie year. deep playoff runs 5 of 6 seasons. he was outstanding in the CF/finals every time he was there.

I think he was just bad in losses. but he was outstanding in wins and outstanding overall.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#22 » by Prokorov » Wed Jun 9, 2021 3:16 pm

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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#23 » by sashaturiaf » Wed Jun 9, 2021 3:17 pm

therealbig3 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Prokorov wrote:Stolen from the GB...

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I like PJ Tucker. The guy is a pro and plays hard. But this is a clear example of how talent trumps everything. It doesn't matter what he does defensively. Durant's pull up and release is probably the most unstoppable basketball shot in modern basketball, easily on par with post Jordan's fadeaway, Duncan's bankshot and Dirk's one footer.

I don't have the numbers for any of those, but this dude pulls up with defenders within inches from him and they have no effect on his shot a majority of the time.


I've been a pretty harsh critic of Durant going back to his OKC days, mainly because despite what you say about his ability to pull up and shoot over anyone, he's had legit struggles in the PS before he joined GS. And then with GS, he was on the most stacked team of all time, and so obviously he was gonna put up dominant numbers, because defenses often times looked more scared of Curry than they were Durant, and so he had so much more freedom to do whatever he wanted.

But now in Brooklyn, without James Harden (meaning it's definitely not a super team, it's Kyrie and a bunch of role players), he's still dominating against a good defensive team with the reigning DPOY, and good defenders all over the place.

So it's making me rethink my criticisms of him from before...maybe the reason he struggled in the PS with OKC is because despite having Westbrook and good role players, those teams had awful spacing, and so it allowed defenses to collapse on him and force him into really tough shots, force him into being a ball handler and passer which are not his strengths, and it led to a drop-off in his efficiency. So he didn't necessarily need a team as stacked as GS...he just needed a team that had good spacing and a lead guard capable of taking up the ball handling and playmaking responsibilities, so that he could focus on what he does best.

And that's a reasonable expectation, everybody needs help. So the criticisms of his struggles in OKC may be too harsh, it may have had more to do with poor roster construction than fundamental deficiencies in Durant's game.



I'll never blame KD for what happened in OKC. A team with Scott Brooks as coach and Westbrook as point guard is a dumb basketball team, and dumb teams don't win in the playoffs.

Because Kevin isn't visually an expressive guy he took more than his fair share of the brunt for OKC's failures since it must have meant he was meek and didn't care or whatever narrative was being served up. Remember when people thought Westbrook might have been better? just ridiculous, he made that OKC team go further than they had any right to be going.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#24 » by sashaturiaf » Wed Jun 9, 2021 3:24 pm

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Everything is roses now. but if they win and its 2-1 with game 4 in milwaukee with a chance to even the series all of a sudden things dont seem all sunshine and rainbows.

Our foots are on their necks, time to apply pressure and end this thing.

Yep, I'm trilled we held serve at home and won both games to start this series. Even more thrilled that we blew them out. But not for one second should any Nets fan allow themselves to get cocky. All you have to do is look at the Clippers going down 0-3 to the Mavericks, THEN WINNING THE SERIES 4-3, to realize it's nice to be up 2-0, a lot better than the alternative, but two games does not win a seven game series.

Lastly, so far as home games are concerned the Clippers/Mavs was an aberration, but I believe it was Pat Riley who once said a playoff series doesn't start until someone loses a home game.

Truer words have never been spoken.

If the Bucks hold serve at home like we did, suddenly it's 2-2 and we're looking at a best of 3 series.

However, if we just win ONE ROAD GAME this week, then and ONLY THEN are we sitting in the catbird seat.

Then and ONLY THEN will we have a chance to close this series out in 5 ... in Brooklyn.

So I'll wait and hope that we win at least one of these two games before I allow myself to get giddy.


I think we have the Bucks where we want them, it's not really the 2-0 but the fact they look completely overmatched so far, and their coach and team are not known for making effective adjustments in the playoffs.

Doesn't mean they can't come out and win 2 straight at home since they have the talent to do that. But the Bucks flaming out in the playoffs has become an annual tradition and nothing I've seen in the first 2 games suggests it will be any different this year, we had Giannis taking 1 legged fadeaways like he was Dirk out there. I'll take our big 15
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Post#25 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jun 9, 2021 4:17 pm

So the NBA has now banned the Nets from showing a 10 second clock on the scoreboard any time Giannis takes FTs in Barclays because it causes "fan incitement".

I love how the NBA cares about fans trolling Giannis over FTs, but shrugged their shoulders when Kyrie got a bottle tossed at his head.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#26 » by LOUiS-D » Wed Jun 9, 2021 5:02 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:So the NBA has now banned the Nets from showing a 10 second clock on the scoreboard any time Giannis takes FTs in Barclays because it causes "fan incitement".

I love how the NBA cares about fans trolling Giannis over FTs, but shrugged their shoulders when Kyrie got a bottle tossed at his head.

They also announced that teams are no longer allowed to run promotions for when an opposing player misses 2 free throws. So at least it's consistent.

Oh wait no it's not. I made that up. I guess it's fking bulls*** then.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#27 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jun 9, 2021 5:34 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:So the NBA has now banned the Nets from showing a 10 second clock on the scoreboard any time Giannis takes FTs in Barclays because it causes "fan incitement".

I love how the NBA cares about fans trolling Giannis over FTs, but shrugged their shoulders when Kyrie got a bottle tossed at his head.

They also announced that teams are no longer allowed to run promotions for when an opposing player misses 2 free throws. So at least it's consistent.

Oh wait no it's not. I made that up. I guess it's fking bulls*** then.


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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#28 » by Prokorov » Wed Jun 9, 2021 6:51 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:So the NBA has now banned the Nets from showing a 10 second clock on the scoreboard any time Giannis takes FTs in Barclays because it causes "fan incitement".

I love how the NBA cares about fans trolling Giannis over FTs, but shrugged their shoulders when Kyrie got a bottle tossed at his head.


48 minutes of "F U Kyrie" = no problem

sesame street level counting to 10 = "ZOMG the horror!"
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#29 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Jun 9, 2021 8:00 pm

Bucks probably complained cause it was affecting their "MVP"s fragile ego.

Hes worth than Shaq at making FTs.
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Post#30 » by GTR11 » Wed Jun 9, 2021 8:42 pm

That's some BS.

Ben Wallace, D12, Shaq etc etc players were getting much worst treatment and nothing came from NBA officially. We just copied what Heat did and here come Adam Silver and co.


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Post#31 » by CalamityX12 » Wed Jun 9, 2021 9:04 pm

Prokorov wrote:Everything is roses now. but if they win and its 2-1 with game 4 in milwaukee with a chance to even the series all of a sudden things dont seem all sunshine and rainbows.

Our foots are on their necks, time to apply pressure and end this thing.

Same thought here too... yes we blew them out but series far from over. A gm 3 win by the Bucks and they're back in this.


Team can't listen n must resist the recent media/sports talk of how unbeatable we are.

Don't fall for that trap, keep working hard and play team basketball above all.

The Bucks will go all out from here on out
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#32 » by Suwanee » Wed Jun 9, 2021 9:04 pm

Shouldn't they focus on calling violations on Giannis for taking more than 10 seconds to take FTs? Then there’d be no count downs needed. What in the world...
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Post#33 » by HardenGoat » Wed Jun 9, 2021 9:27 pm

therealbig3 wrote:I've been a pretty harsh critic of Durant going back to his OKC days, mainly because despite what you say about his ability to pull up and shoot over anyone, he's had legit struggles in the PS before he joined GS. And then with GS, he was on the most stacked team of all time, and so obviously he was gonna put up dominant numbers, because defenses often times looked more scared of Curry than they were Durant, and so he had so much more freedom to do whatever he wanted.

But now in Brooklyn, without James Harden (meaning it's definitely not a super team, it's Kyrie and a bunch of role players), he's still dominating against a good defensive team with the reigning DPOY, and good defenders all over the place.

So it's making me rethink my criticisms of him from before...maybe the reason he struggled in the PS with OKC is because despite having Westbrook and good role players, those teams had awful spacing, and so it allowed defenses to collapse on him and force him into really tough shots, force him into being a ball handler and passer which are not his strengths, and it led to a drop-off in his efficiency. So he didn't necessarily need a team as stacked as GS...he just needed a team that had good spacing and a lead guard capable of taking up the ball handling and playmaking responsibilities, so that he could focus on what he does best.

And that's a reasonable expectation, everybody needs help. So the criticisms of his struggles in OKC may be too harsh, it may have had more to do with poor roster construction than fundamental deficiencies in Durant's game.


He has evolved since OKC, his skills and handling are more fine tuned. He has his moments still trying to force a play or shot but overall he has high IQ. The other thing is he is super comfortable now, shoot he pretty much picked the players so you know he has the right support around him in the locker room. He wasn't that happy with GSW especially when the manager dissed him about who the original Warriors were and he joined them.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#34 » by sashaturiaf » Wed Jun 9, 2021 11:11 pm

LOUiS-D wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:So the NBA has now banned the Nets from showing a 10 second clock on the scoreboard any time Giannis takes FTs in Barclays because it causes "fan incitement".

I love how the NBA cares about fans trolling Giannis over FTs, but shrugged their shoulders when Kyrie got a bottle tossed at his head.

They also announced that teams are no longer allowed to run promotions for when an opposing player misses 2 free throws. So at least it's consistent.

Oh wait no it's not. I made that up. I guess it's fking bulls*** then.


Honestly what are they going to do about it. Silver knows if they give us an actual penalty over trivial matters like that, that is death for ratings and further feeds the NBA is just WWE talk.

Most we will get is a fine. If I was Tsai I'd just pay the fine and dial up the volume to maximum on the counter next time Giannis shoots FTS.
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Post#35 » by Paradise » Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:44 am

I bet the NBA is okay with this, though. **** pathetic ass league.

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Post#36 » by GTR11 » Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:58 am

CalamityX12 wrote:
Prokorov wrote:Everything is roses now. but if they win and its 2-1 with game 4 in milwaukee with a chance to even the series all of a sudden things dont seem all sunshine and rainbows.

Our foots are on their necks, time to apply pressure and end this thing.

Same thought here too... yes we blew them out but series far from over. A gm 3 win by the Bucks and they're back in this.


Team can't listen n must resist the recent media/sports talk of how unbeatable we are.

Don't fall for that trap, keep working hard and play team basketball above all.

The Bucks will go all out from here on out



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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#37 » by Shark » Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:32 am

Paradise wrote:I bet the NBA is okay with this, though. **** pathetic ass league.

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Post#38 » by MGrand15 » Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:40 am

Suwanee wrote:Shouldn't they focus on calling violations on Giannis for taking more than 10 seconds to take FTs? Then there’d be no count downs needed. What in the world...


My guess is Milwaukee complained about them not calling it all season and starting to do it in the playoffs. Refs definitely got instructions to NOT call it because every single one of his FTs take longer than 10 seconds. Next season I bet they change it.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#39 » by Suwanee » Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:59 am

And what’s wrong with fan incitement? Isn’t that what home court advantage is supposed to be?
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Post#40 » by LOUiS-D » Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:16 am

I like the barclays center. it's a bit hard to come up with a nice description for it, because it's the color of rust and looks like an overgrown abandoned futuristic city.... but that's a fken cool look. It's its own thing.

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