Congratulations to Jokic But Embiid would’ve Won if he Played More Games.

[eyeatoma]

Embiid plays both sides of the court. MVP level offense, DPOY level defense. His PER was better than Jokic' for most of the season. He leads the league in getting to the line, has an elite mid ranger jumper, is the most dominant offensive force in the league and his team had the best record in the east. He absolutely would have won the MVP had he not missed those 10 games.

Embiid played 51 games this year, so he missed 21 games, not 10.

21 games accounts for 29% of the season in a 72 game season. That's a lot of missed games

Embiid did miss those games, so you can't just magically pretend he didn't

Its always interesting how people assume Embiid would have played at the exact same level if he played all of those 21 games he missed, and that he wouldn't have had some effects of fatigue from playing more, playing b2bs, etc. We'll never know, of course, because Embiid didn't actually play a full season (and never has).

PER is a full season stat, so even if Joel's was better than Joker's for most of the season (which I don't think is true), does that really matter? Joker finished with a better PER. Period.

All of the arguments you posted (plays both sides of the court, elite mid range jumper, most dominant offensive force in the league, etc.) all seem very subjective. Any actual stats to back that up, or are we all just to take your work for it? Asking for a friend.

I'm referring to the 10 be missed with the meniscus. If it wasn't for that he was on pace to get the MVP.

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[eyeatoma]

Embiid plays both sides of the court. MVP level offense, DPOY level defense. His PER was better than Jokic' for most of the season. He leads the league in getting to the line, has an elite mid ranger jumper, is the most dominant offensive force in the league and his team had the best record in the east. He absolutely would have won the MVP had he not missed those 10 games.

Embiid played 51 games this year, so he missed 21 games, not 10.

21 games accounts for 29% of the season in a 72 game season. That's a lot of missed games

Embiid did miss those games, so you can't just magically pretend he didn't

Its always interesting how people assume Embiid would have played at the exact same level if he played all of those 21 games he missed, and that he wouldn't have had some effects of fatigue from playing more, playing b2bs, etc. We'll never know, of course, because Embiid didn't actually play a full season (and never has).

PER is a full season stat, so even if Joel's was better than Joker's for most of the season (which I don't think is true), does that really matter? Joker finished with a better PER. Period.

All of the arguments you posted (plays both sides of the court, elite mid range jumper, most dominant offensive force in the league, etc.) all seem very subjective. Any actual stats to back that up, or are we all just to take your work for it? Asking for a friend.

Lol it's subjective? You can go ahead and look up those stats if you want. Most are aware. Not your errand boy. Your probably resourceful enough to find it yourself and see that I'm right.

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[ChinaInc]

I mean he has 175 points in 168 minutes this post season. He’s averaging 29 in 27 minutes.

Also Jokic this post season has a PER of 27

Joel this post season has a PER of 33

Completely dominated tonight with 40 and 14. Jokic is very fortunate that Joel missed enough games to not win MVP.

Nonetheless both had historically good seasons. I prefer what Joel is doing.

Embiid could have won, not would have won.

There are a lot of solid arguments one could make for Embiid here, but I don’t think using PER is one of them.

It's not because it doesn't take into account defense.

[tsirigoj]

LeBron would have likely gotten MVP had he not been injured. Just saying.

Lebron wasn't playing anyhere near the level of embiid jokic curry or lillard.

His team was #1 in the NBA prior to injury, he was averaging nearly a triple-double, and even other players (not on his team) were saying he was putting one of his best seasons ever.

The fact that Lakers were #1 in the league is key.

[The_Hater]

I mean he has 175 points in 168 minutes this post season. He’s averaging 29 in 27 minutes.

Also Jokic this post season has a PER of 27

Joel this post season has a PER of 33

Completely dominated tonight with 40 and 14. Jokic is very fortunate that Joel missed enough games to not win MVP.

Nonetheless both had historically good seasons. I prefer what Joel is doing.

Embiid could have won, not would have won.

There are a lot of solid arguments one could make for Embiid here, but I don’t think using PER is one of them.

It's not because it doesn't take into account defense.

I think you have a very poor understanding of PER.

[ChinaInc]

Embiid could have won, not would have won.

There are a lot of solid arguments one could make for Embiid here, but I don’t think using PER is one of them.

It's not because it doesn't take into account defense.

I think you have a very poor understanding of PER.

I have a just fine understanding of PER. It's a box score stat which doesn't account for defense.

[The_Hater]

It's not because it doesn't take into account defense.

I think you have a very poor understanding of PER.

I have a just fine understanding of PER. It's a box score stat which doesn't account for defense.

Ah, I thought you were saying the exact opposite. The sentence reads differently without a comma after not.

My apologies. We’re on the same page.

[ChinaInc]

Jokic was better in TS%, BPM, PER, NetRtg, WS/48 on a lesser USG%. Even if Embiid played every single game like Joker, Joker still would have been MVP. The only thing Embiid had over Jokic was his team's record, they only had 2 more wins than the Nuggets.

Embiid plays both sides of the court. MVP level offense, DPOY level defense. His PER was better than Jokic' for most of the season. He leads the league in getting to the line, has an elite mid ranger jumper, is the most dominant offensive force in the league and his team had the best record in the east. He absolutely would have won the MVP had he not missed those 10 games.

He should have won it anyways. Jokic is a great offensive center but he gives up way too much on the defensive end to be considered MVP

[AdagioPace]

Jokic was better in TS%, BPM, PER, NetRtg, WS/48 on a lesser USG%. Even if Embiid played every single game like Joker, Joker still would have been MVP. The only thing Embiid had over Jokic was his team's record, they only had 2 more wins than the Nuggets.

Embiid plays both sides of the court. MVP level offense, DPOY level defense. His PER was better than Jokic' for most of the season. He leads the league in getting to the line, has an elite mid ranger jumper, is the most dominant offensive force in the league and his team had the best record in the east. He absolutely would have won the MVP had he not missed those 10 games.

He should have won it anyways. Jokic is a great offensive center but he gives up way too much on the defensive end to be considered MVP

great offensive players with minimally sufficient defense have still deserved MVPs (Kobe,Dirk,Nash,Barkley,Durant 2014,....) The problem is only in your head...
You say "he gives up too much". That's pretty vague and doesn't mean a lot.....

[DarthTeufel]

Durabilty/Injury concerns is Embiids greatest weakness. Hes basically guaranteed to get hurt at some point during the year and needs to be "load managed". hes a ticking time bomb. Silly to say it's irrelevant.

[BelgradeNugget]

Is it time for the mods to move this topic on Philadelphia 76ers page?

[kio80]

Didn't read all 7 pages but as a 76ers fan, I sincerely congratulate Jokic and Nugget fans on a well deserved MVP award, if Embiid was 100% healthy, it will still probably be a 50/50 between the 2 big fellows.
There are still many classy 76er fans around, most of us don't throw popcorns at other ppl/players and/or are sore losers

[BelgradeNugget]

Didn't read all 7 pages but as a 76ers fan, I sincerely congratulate Jokic and Nugget fans on a well deserved MVP award, if Embiid was 100% healthy, it will still probably be a 50/50 between the 2 big fellows.
There are still many classy 76er fans around, most of us don't throw popcorns at other ppl/players and/or are sore losers

Actually majority of 76ers fans are classy, and for those who taught Embiid should or would win it, we had topic about MVP the whole year so I don't think we should go through this again

[SpreeS]

Jokic was better in TS%, BPM, PER, NetRtg, WS/48 on a lesser USG%. Even if Embiid played every single game like Joker, Joker still would have been MVP. The only thing Embiid had over Jokic was his team's record, they only had 2 more wins than the Nuggets.

Embiid plays both sides of the court. MVP level offense, DPOY level defense. His PER was better than Jokic' for most of the season. He leads the league in getting to the line, has an elite mid ranger jumper, is the most dominant offensive force in the league and his team had the best record in the east. He absolutely would have won the MVP had he not missed those 10 games.

He should have won it anyways. Jokic is a great offensive center but he gives up way too much on the defensive end to be considered MVP

Jokic DRTG

1st rnd 124.5
2nd rnd 117.9

Its huge and its unacceptable for C position.

[Dupp]

Embiid finishing top 3 is pretty ridiculous anyway. Very undeserved( missed too much time)

[Hussien Fatal]

Lol some MVP bouta get swept in the 2nd round.

[Hussien Fatal]

I will repeat this as many time as I have to just so the Jokic fans will understand. Jokic and Denver will never be a true contender until they pair Jokic with a defensive big ala the 2011 mavs. He is just too bad on defense, they need a dominant defender at the 4 or 5 position to ever have a chance at a title.

[Hans1984]

Imagine winning the MVP award and then getting blown out the next game by 25 points. What a joke(r) !

[BelgradeNugget]

I will repeat this as many time as I have to just so the Jokic fans will understand. Jokic and Denver will never be a true contender until they pair Jokic with a defensive big ala the 2011 mavs. He is just too bad on defense, they need a dominant defender at the 4 or 5 position to ever have a chance at a title.

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[Hussien Fatal]

Joel in 6 full playoff games is averaging 33ppg on 61%fg with a PER of 33. Jokic accepted his award and then gets blow out! Joel is the real MVP.