2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3

[Richard4444]

Mann & Butler are my 2021 IQ late round steals of the draft and hope the knicks draft 1 or both of them. Isaiah Jackson reminds me of Nerlens Noel. Kai Jones could be very good if for some reason he slips to the 19 range.

Isaiah Jackson is a Kentucky player who reminds Nerlens Noel (a player who should ask for a good raise to stay to be our reserve center). He is almost a lock to be our player if he drops.

[Richard4444]

Best College 3pt shooters in our range:

Kispert (Wing H6,7): 44% (6,5 atempts)
Butler (ComboG H6,3): 42% (6,2 atempts)
Duarte (Wing H6,6): 42% (5,5 atempts)
Tre Man (ComboG H6,5): 40% (4,7 atempts)
Springer (ComboG H6,4): 44% (2,6 atempts)
Ayo (Combo, H6,5): 39% (2,9 atempts)
Hyland (Wing, H6,3): 37% (7,8 atempts)
Murphy (Wing, H6,9): 43% (4,8 atempts)
Petrusev (Big H6,11): 45% (2,8 atempts)


Harder to drop:
Devon Mitchell (ComboG H 6,2): 45% (4,7 attempts);
Jalen Johnson (SF/PF H 6,9): 44% (1,4 atempts)

[damedash09]

If they don't move up

On tre mann
Jared butler duo

Kind of intrigued by cooper as well if you can put shooting around him

[damedash09]

Cooper would also be great for obi

[2010]

The lack of outside shooting, hitch in his shot, slow release set shot, and lack of ability to finish in the paint all give me pause on Cooper.

[cgf]

The lack of outside shooting, hitch in his shot, slow release set shot, and lack of ability to finish in the paint all give me pause on Cooper.

Ricky burned me bad

[Juco24]

If they don't move up

On tre mann
Jared butler duo

Kind of intrigued by cooper as well if you can put shooting around him

I like both Mann and Butler. Butler is more NBA ready I think but I think Mann has a greater upside

[NYF13]

I think Knicks will target Giddy or Bouknight with the picks we have. I think it will depend on the (1). NYK scouting of course and (2). who’s left with which team on the draft day.

Frank, Luca, Quickley, Barrett
Randle, Toppin, Knox, Mitch, Pelle

9 total players already on our roster.

I don’t see us using all the 4 draft picks. Because we still have to resign some of our own FAs - Bullock / Rose / Burks / Noel / Gibson.

Plus we have to improve our roster with better UFAs. I am guessing at least 1-2 players.

So a TRADE UP or TRADE FOR is definitely happening fellows for QUALITY & talented players.

Question is who falls on the draft day and which of them are higher on our board and if just sending the lesser number of draft picks in the transaction makes sense (value wise). Stay tuned!!!!

[Richard4444]

I think Knicks will target Giddy or Bouknight with the picks we have. I think it will depend on the (1). NYK scouting of course and (2). who’s left with which team on the draft day.

Frank, Luca, Quickley, Barrett
Randle, Toppin, Knox, Mitch, Pelle

9 total players already on our roster.

I don’t see us using all the 4 draft picks. Because we still have to resign some of our own FAs - Bullock / Rose / Burks / Noel / Gibson.

Plus we have to improve our roster with better UFAs. I am guessing at least 1-2 players.

So a TRADE UP or TRADE FOR is definitely happening fellows for QUALITY & talented players.

Question is who falls on the draft day and which of them are higher on our board and if just sending the lesser number of draft picks in the transaction makes sense (value wise). Stay tuned!!!!

Frank is already a FA. Noelle is no guaranteed.

[NYF13]

I think Knicks will target Giddy or Bouknight with the picks we have. I think it will depend on the (1). NYK scouting of course and (2). who’s left with which team on the draft day.

Frank, Luca, Quickley, Barrett
Randle, Toppin, Knox, Mitch, Pelle

9 total players already on our roster.

I don’t see us using all the 4 draft picks. Because we still have to resign some of our own FAs - Bullock / Rose / Burks / Noel / Gibson.

Plus we have to improve our roster with better UFAs. I am guessing at least 1-2 players.

So a TRADE UP or TRADE FOR is definitely happening fellows for QUALITY & talented players.

Question is who falls on the draft day and which of them are higher on our board and if just sending the lesser number of draft picks in the transaction makes sense (value wise). Stay tuned!!!!

Frank is already a FA. Noelle is no guaranteed.

For Pelle, why won’t you pick up a $1.7 million? I doubt it’s not guaranteed for the year as per hoopshype. And yes, Frank’s 8.5 million qualifying offer. Ouch! Is Frank done in NY?

[louisorr]

As a fan, give me two guys (or more) to get excited about. It may make sense to trade up if there's a target or worry about Thibs not playing rookies, but for my fan experience I want 2 frps taken. damn the results.

[EMG518]

To me this drafts strength is at the guard position.

I want us to draft DJ Carton. I dont think we would need to move up for him and he might wind up the best of the point guard prospects.

He has that smooth lefty release, solid vision/passing, he has a strong body, decent size, he can jump out of the gym and is fast down hill.

[WargamesX]

The way I see it

Ideal draft picks:
Kispert, Davion, Isiah Jackson and Giddey,

If any of those guys drop we’ll take them

Likely draft picks:
Ziaire, Springer, Murphy, Mann

They all make sense based on what the Knicks need.

[Knicksfan1992]

The lack of outside shooting, hitch in his shot, slow release set shot, and lack of ability to finish in the paint all give me pause on Cooper.

Fair criticisms IMO. I think draft twitter likes him more than I do too. He's really little and I think if you're not a near prime IT level scorer/shooter or like Trae level crafty it's really hard to succeed at that size because NBA coaches are ruthless and will attack you every chance they get on the other end in big games.

The thing I like about him though is even without all that he still seems to get anywhere he wants on the floor and makes good decisions almost all the time. That kinda stuff translates to me. And the free throw percentage is good which is a good sign, generally, that his shot is workable.

I'd rather take a chance on a few guys over him if they are there like Jalen Johnson, Butler, Mann, Giddey, Bouknight, Dosunmo (spelling?) but I dont think he'd be an awful pick. Just not a great one either imo.

[cgf]

I think Knicks will target Giddy or Bouknight with the picks we have. I think it will depend on the (1). NYK scouting of course and (2). who’s left with which team on the draft day.

Frank, Luca, Quickley, Barrett
Randle, Toppin, Knox, Mitch, Pelle

9 total players already on our roster.

I don’t see us using all the 4 draft picks. Because we still have to resign some of our own FAs - Bullock / Rose / Burks / Noel / Gibson.

Plus we have to improve our roster with better UFAs. I am guessing at least 1-2 players.

So a TRADE UP or TRADE FOR is definitely happening fellows for QUALITY & talented players.

Question is who falls on the draft day and which of them are higher on our board and if just sending the lesser number of draft picks in the transaction makes sense (value wise). Stay tuned!!!!

Frank is already a FA. Noelle is no guaranteed.

And if we're being honest, Knox is very likely not to be on the roster when the season starts, as well.

[3toheadmelo]

Ayo Dosunmo low key slept on. If his 3 point shot is legit then he might be the 6’5 PG version of Sexton

[Richard4444]

I think Knicks will target Giddy or Bouknight with the picks we have. I think it will depend on the (1). NYK scouting of course and (2). who’s left with which team on the draft day.

Frank, Luca, Quickley, Barrett
Randle, Toppin, Knox, Mitch, Pelle

9 total players already on our roster.

I don’t see us using all the 4 draft picks. Because we still have to resign some of our own FAs - Bullock / Rose / Burks / Noel / Gibson.

Plus we have to improve our roster with better UFAs. I am guessing at least 1-2 players.

So a TRADE UP or TRADE FOR is definitely happening fellows for QUALITY & talented players.

Question is who falls on the draft day and which of them are higher on our board and if just sending the lesser number of draft picks in the transaction makes sense (value wise). Stay tuned!!!!

Frank is already a FA. Noelle is no guaranteed.

For Pelle, why won’t you pick up a $1.7 million? I doubt it’s not guaranteed for the year as per hoopshype. And yes, Frank’s 8.5 million qualifying offer. Ouch! Is Frank done in NY?

I think you are right about Noelle. I could not find anywhere the info about a no-guaranteed contract. I was worry about the roster spot.

[louisorr]

The lack of outside shooting, hitch in his shot, slow release set shot, and lack of ability to finish in the paint all give me pause on Cooper.

Fair criticisms IMO. I think draft twitter likes him more than I do too. He's really little and I think if you're not a near prime IT level scorer/shooter or like Trae level crafty it's really hard to succeed at that size because NBA coaches are ruthless and will attack you every chance they get on the other end in big games.

The thing I like about him though is even without all that he still seems to get anywhere he wants on the floor and makes good decisions almost all the time. That kinda stuff translates to me. And the free throw percentage is good which is a good sign, generally, that his shot is workable.

I'd rather take a chance on a few guys over him if they are there like Jalen Johnson, Butler, Mann, Giddey, Bouknight, Dosunmo (spelling?) but I dont think he'd be an awful pick. Just not a great one either imo.

He does offer a skillset that is pretty rare with his speed and handle. and his FT shooting is elite with great ability to get to the line. I think he took over 20 attempts against a ranked team this year in one game.
I you just break it down to math:
let's say there's two guys. one shoots 30 percent from 3 and the other 40 percent on 5 attempts per game. well thats 10 more makes per 100 and 5 attempts x 80 games is 400, so thats 40 more makes from 3 per season on the same attempts.
nice right? thats 120 points, now divide that by 80 games and thats 1.5 points per game......so how many free throws does it take for a guy shooting 90 percent to make that up? Cooper gets to the line like crazy is all I'm saying.

[cgf]

The lack of outside shooting, hitch in his shot, slow release set shot, and lack of ability to finish in the paint all give me pause on Cooper.

Fair criticisms IMO. I think draft twitter likes him more than I do too. He's really little and I think if you're not a near prime IT level scorer/shooter or like Trae level crafty it's really hard to succeed at that size because NBA coaches are ruthless and will attack you every chance they get on the other end in big games.

The thing I like about him though is even without all that he still seems to get anywhere he wants on the floor and makes good decisions almost all the time. That kinda stuff translates to me. And the free throw percentage is good which is a good sign, generally, that his shot is workable.

I'd rather take a chance on a few guys over him if they are there like Jalen Johnson, Butler, Mann, Giddey, Bouknight, Dosunmo (spelling?) but I dont think he'd be an awful pick. Just not a great one either imo.

He does offer a skillset that is pretty rare with his speed and handle. and his FT shooting is elite with great ability to get to the line. I think he took over 20 attempts against a ranked team this year in one game.
I you just break it down to math:
let's say there's two guys. one shoots 30 percent from 3 and the other 40 percent on 5 attempts per game. well thats 10 more makes per 100 and 5 attempts x 80 games is 400, so thats 40 more makes from 3 per season on the same attempts.
nice right? thats 120 points, now divide that by 80 games and thats 1.5 points per game......so how many free throws does it take for a guy shooting 90 percent to make that up? Cooper gets to the line like crazy is all I'm saying.

The problem is that FT's can't be blocked. All other shots can & with his release + size, NBA defenders are going to swat his shot a lot when he tries to pull up...at least without reworking his shot...and at his size, finishing in the paint without a pull-up game that can freeze defenders, is going to require some kyrie-level finishing.

Which is important because if Cooper can't score at the next level, then no one is going to send him to the line...plus, it'll neutralize his vision / creativity if he's not able to put defenses under pressure with his penetration. Which would mean that there wouldn't be any reason for an NBA team to put the ball in his hands...and his off-ball contributions sure as s*** aren't going to get him on the court.

I really liked watching Auburn once he started playing because I love crafty passers with next level vision and he was awesome at the college level...but he just has such a high bar to clear to be successful in the NBA because he needs his pull-up game or finishing to become elite enough to require extra attention just to make it.


And that last part is the killer. Obi may not become the offensive star that the FO was hoping for, but he showed in the playoffs how he can still become a valuable energy big off the bench even if he doesn't. Similar thing with Quickley, his defense and off-ball shooting will let him carve out a niche in the NBA even if he never becomes an on-ball star, or even just a high-end 6th-man. And again the same is true with RJ, even if he never develops a pull-up game or improve his finishing at the rim; there's a useful NBA player there.

Whereas with Cooper it's star / dynamic-6th-man or he's not going to get a 2nd contract. I'm going to be rooting for him wherever he lands because if he makes it, he'll be fun to watch...but I really hope someone else takes that gamble and we go with someone like Butler or Mann instead.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Excluding Cade, who has the best handle over 6'6"?