Richard4444 wrote:B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:Richard4444 wrote:
Yes. It's unlikely to move from Randle, Mitch, Luca, or the picks. If we trade, we would add salary.
Randle(20), RJ (9), Noah (6), Knox (6), IQ(2), Mitch(2), Obi (5), Picks (5), Luca (3) = 58M for 9 players in the roster. Cap Space: around 54M. If we keep Bullock, around 49M.
PS: If we dont pick Mitch, it would be to lock him in a long contract. Not to save cap space.
Yes.
* Spotrac is currently estimating the 2021-2022 cap at $112,414,200, which gives Incomplete Roster Charges (IRC) at $925,258.
* Bullock has neither a team or player option - just a straight FA, so one can't really count him in any cap space calculations.
So, taking the Spotrac estimate for the Cap and IRC's, and a similar guestimate for the #19 and #21 picks, gives:
(Noah_gtd) + Randle + RJ + Knox + IQ + Mitch + Obi + Luca + FRP_19 + FRP_21 + 4*IRC = $62,226,854
and a cap space of $50,187,346.
If the cap comes out a little higher the IRC and picks salaries increase proportionally, but the other salaries don't, so that would gives a small amount of extra space. Likewise, if the cap holds closer to this year's level the Knicks loose a little space, but it's probably a max of $1m either way.
Of course, if the Knicks make trades or pick swaps that does change the numbers.
In a way it doesn't seem that vital what the actual numbers are, unless the Knicks are going to sign Kemba into cap space, since I don't really see what FAs the Knicks are going to want to sign into large amounts of the ~$50m.
Either they do deals or, as Richard4444 suggests, they start signing the likes of Bullock (and dare I say Taj) into small segments of it. In any case they probably need to spend something on backup centers and PGs, depending on the draft picks.
Good work. Just a small observation, I think players + roster charges must be equal 12. Its the way capulator calculates. Consequently, we would have 3 (not 4) Roster Charges to add.
Anyway, with 9 players almost locked and 54M of cap space in this offseason, it's almost sure will sign at least 3 players in Free Agency. Thus we would not need to add roster charges.
I essentially agree with the second paragraph (see the paragraph beginning "As you say ..." below. However, just to nerd it up some more ...
The players + roster charges thing is confusingly written in the CBA (in my opinion). I had long conversations with various people about this very point in the run up to KD + Kyrie coming/not coming to the Knicks, when it appeared that the Knicks would need every scrap of salary cap (unlike what I think we both regard as the probable situation this year). I initially thought that players + roster charges had to equal 12, but various people, in particular "bowl rips" iirc, and closer reading of the CBA and cbafaq.com - in particular question 13 there - convinced me that the magic number is 13. So .. let me have a run at explaining why.
Suppose you have 11 players on the roster. (The Knicks might have 9 after signing two FRP and taking up Jules, Mitch and Luca's options, but then they have to sign more players in some order .. so at some point in time they will have 11 players on the roster.)
At this point you add one rookie minimum salary to the salaries of the 11 players (+ in this case Noah's stretched salary). Now your space for signing the 12th player is whatever is left. So you can only sign them under the cap if you have at least another rookie minimum salary left over - because that is the absolute minimum you could pay. (If you want a non-rookie then you need more space, obviously.) That is, you need: rookie min salary < salary cap - (11 players + Noah + rookie min salary).
Rearranging gives that in order to sign anyone into cap space as the 12th player on the roster you need: 11 players' salaries (plus Noah's cap hold) + 2 rookie min salaries < salary cap.
(You only get rebated the cap hold for the 12th roster spot after the 12th player is signed.)
As you say, each time you sign a player you lose one of the incomplete roster charges - again, after, you sign the player, not simultaneously. To me it seems likely that the Knicks will sign a pot pourri of Taj, Bullock etc (or similar players if not exactly them) and so end up way under the cap and the IRC's eventually going away without having much significance. So I do absolutely agree that morally IRC's probably won't matter in the end this year.
However, it is possible that the Knicks could sign Kemba into their cap space. Let's say the Knicks get Kemba and two FRP from Boston in return for the draft rights to Ante Tomic. As Kemba's salary is $36,016,200 that would (let's suppose) leave the Knicks with 10 players on the roster and $15,096,404 in space (subtract Kemba's salary from their cap space and then add one IRC).
Now suppose the Knicks pay Reggie $10m/year - made up number, made up player. It's just for the sake of illustration. Then they would have 11 players on the roster and $6,021,662 in space (after subtracting $10m more and then adding one IRC).
Now let's imagine they want to sign Nerlens Noel. They can sign him into cap space for $6m, but not for $6.5m. They don't get the IRC rebated until after they sign the 12th player - that is, they don't, after signing Bullock, have $6,946,920 to spend on Noel (as one might expect), because the IRC is only released after they sign him (Noel).
