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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#581 » by Prokorov » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:33 am

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They were trying to in bound to KD. Bucks read it right on the switch. Brown was open and fumbled it. Why KD went all the way to the far corner and stayed out there is baffling to me. I thought he should have rotated back up, or made the cut across the paint after Kyrie passes Brown the ball.


I was referring to the prior play, the Irving/Brown pick and roll. If Brown is in the lineup, screening for the ball you have either accepted you are ok with a brown 3-5 foot floater or completely disregarded/didnt realize there was a high probability he would get the ball in that spot.

I blame the last play less on coaching. Broken play, chaos, all things considered we were lucky to even get a shot at the rim. My criticism on that play is why is he even in the game. your not ahead this time, your down by 1. your coming out of a timeout. why arent you going with an all offensive lineup. even if you dont want to spread it and go 5 out, you can still have blake screen...

and then you also have 1 timeout... when you see a broken play and chaos, call it.


I have no problem with Kyrie giv9ng him that shot. That's his shot. Its that little floater off the catch inside. It was the right play. Fine with it. What I had an issue with ironically was his bad D the other way on Holiday! Go watch that again...ugh. Harris doesn't get in front of him and gives him the outside and Brown gets frozen on the spin move. That to me was worse than the missed shot.


yup. the 2 defensive possessions were awful. for them to cut it to 1 then take the lead. Again, you would hope for a defensive substitution lineup. Claxton for Harris. The stop is more important then having an offensive lineup if you get the stop, cause your just milking it with Kyrie or durant.,, and you have 2 timeouts you can use to sub anyhow.

But that is less egrigious.... especially since you had gotten some stops. The more reasonable strategy is up by 3 with just 83 seconds left, you force Giannis to take a shot. live with a jumper or just foul him if he cross the FT line and make him hit those.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#582 » by enetric » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:36 am

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66.1%. which is above average for a non center/dunk only player. and in the top 1% for 3 & D/shooting specialists.

Get out of here lol. no way he made 66% of layups. Are you serious? Link! Lol....


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harrijo01.html
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Utterly shocked to see it that high. I feel like he muffs more open layups than anyone. Granted....this isnt breaking it down that far, but OK. I can accept that. I still feel he looks off 3's he SHOULD take.

PS- what do I click on to see this shot chart on BB ref?
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#583 » by enetric » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:38 am

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I was referring to the prior play, the Irving/Brown pick and roll. If Brown is in the lineup, screening for the ball you have either accepted you are ok with a brown 3-5 foot floater or completely disregarded/didnt realize there was a high probability he would get the ball in that spot.

I blame the last play less on coaching. Broken play, chaos, all things considered we were lucky to even get a shot at the rim. My criticism on that play is why is he even in the game. your not ahead this time, your down by 1. your coming out of a timeout. why arent you going with an all offensive lineup. even if you dont want to spread it and go 5 out, you can still have blake screen...

and then you also have 1 timeout... when you see a broken play and chaos, call it.


I have no problem with Kyrie giv9ng him that shot. That's his shot. Its that little floater off the catch inside. It was the right play. Fine with it. What I had an issue with ironically was his bad D the other way on Holiday! Go watch that again...ugh. Harris doesn't get in front of him and gives him the outside and Brown gets frozen on the spin move. That to me was worse than the missed shot.


yup. the 2 defensive possessions were awful. for them to cut it to 1 then take the lead. Again, you would hope for a defensive substitution lineup. Claxton for Harris. The stop is more important then having an offensive lineup if you get the stop, cause your just milking it with Kyrie or durant.,, and you have 2 timeouts you can use to sub anyhow.

But that is less egrigious.... especially since you had gotten some stops. The more reasonable strategy is up by 3 with just 83 seconds left, you force Giannis to take a shot. live with a jumper or just foul him if he cross the FT line and make him hit those.


Well that's all on Nash.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#584 » by NetsJets » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:40 am

We didn’t play good at all and we only lost by 3. I think we’ll be fine. That 2nd to last play was just a good defensive play by the Bucks.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#585 » by Prokorov » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:47 am

enetric wrote:
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enetric wrote:Get out of here lol. no way he made 66% of layups. Are you serious? Link! Lol....


https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/harrijo01.html
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Utterly shocked to see it that high. I feel like he muffs more open layups than anyone. Granted....this isnt breaking it down that far, but OK. I can accept that. I still feel he looks off 3's he SHOULD take.

PS- what do I click on to see this shot chart on BB ref?


nothing... just scroll down to the "shooting" section.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#586 » by Prokorov » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:47 am

NetsJets wrote:We didn’t play good at all and we only lost by 3. I think we’ll be fine. That 2nd to last play was just a good defensive play by the Bucks.


To be fair, they didnt play good at all and they still won by 3.
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Post#587 » by DarkXaero » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:50 am

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They were trying to in bound to KD. Bucks read it right on the switch. Brown was open and fumbled it. Why KD went all the way to the far corner and stayed out there is baffling to me. I thought he should have rotated back up, or made the cut across the paint after Kyrie passes Brown the ball.


I was referring to the prior play, the Irving/Brown pick and roll. If Brown is in the lineup, screening for the ball you have either accepted you are ok with a brown 3-5 foot floater or completely disregarded/didnt realize there was a high probability he would get the ball in that spot.

I blame the last play less on coaching. Broken play, chaos, all things considered we were lucky to even get a shot at the rim. My criticism on that play is why is he even in the game. your not ahead this time, your down by 1. your coming out of a timeout. why arent you going with an all offensive lineup. even if you dont want to spread it and go 5 out, you can still have blake screen...

and then you also have 1 timeout... when you see a broken play and chaos, call it.


I have no problem with Kyrie giv9ng him that shot. That's his shot. Its that little floater off the catch inside. It was the right play. Fine with it. What I had an issue with ironically was his bad D the other way on Holiday! Go watch that again...ugh. Harris doesn't get in front of him and gives him the outside and Brown gets frozen on the spin move. That to me was worse than the missed shot.
Both Joe Harris and Bruce Brown defense on that play was criminally bad. I have no clue what Joe was doing there, and Bruce Brown gets beaten way too easily by the spin.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#588 » by DarkXaero » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:54 am

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NetsJets wrote:We didn’t play good at all and we only lost by 3. I think we’ll be fine. That 2nd to last play was just a good defensive play by the Bucks.


To be fair, they didnt play good at all and they still won by 3.
True, but they still got an actually good game out of Middleton, and a 30+ outing for Giannis. And they shot the ball slightly better (not from 3) and got to the line a lot more than us. No one played well for us tonight. Brown had a good first half, KD had a good 2nd half but no one actually shot the ball well overall.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#589 » by Prokorov » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:55 am

83 seconds left in a 1 possession game with 2-3 timeouts and we didn't go offense for defense. Thats the attention to detail that seperates the guys like pop from the guys like D'antoni.

It pains me none of the last 3 shots were by durant or kyrie, when both had it going. once? sure. twice? i dont like it. 3... unacceptable.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#590 » by Prokorov » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:59 am

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NetsJets wrote:We didn’t play good at all and we only lost by 3. I think we’ll be fine. That 2nd to last play was just a good defensive play by the Bucks.


To be fair, they didnt play good at all and they still won by 3.
True, but they still got an actually good game out of Middleton, and a 30+ outing for Giannis. And they shot the ball slightly better (not from 3) and got to the line a lot more than us. No one played well for us tonight. Brown had a good first half, KD had a good 2nd half but no one actually shot the ball well overall.


KD scored 30 just like Giannis... on less shots and without the airballed FTs.

They scored 86 points on 37% shooting. hard to really make a case they were anything but awful, despite whatever middleton may have done.

It would, in my opinion, be naive to think they dont score and shoot drastically better in games 4 through 7.

I also dont think people should just pencil in "W"'s if Harden plays... he may be limited both minutes wise and ability when he returns. And if the bucks start clicking, it may still be an uphill battled.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#591 » by DarkXaero » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:08 am

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To be fair, they didnt play good at all and they still won by 3.
True, but they still got an actually good game out of Middleton, and a 30+ outing for Giannis. And they shot the ball slightly better (not from 3) and got to the line a lot more than us. No one played well for us tonight. Brown had a good first half, KD had a good 2nd half but no one actually shot the ball well overall.


KD scored 30 just like Giannis... on less shots and without the airballed FTs.

They scored 86 points on 37% shooting. hard to really make a case they were anything but awful, despite whatever middleton may have done.

It would, in my opinion, be naive to think they dont score and shoot drastically better in games 4 through 7.

I also dont think people should just pencil in "W"'s if Harden plays... he may be limited both minutes wise and ability when he returns. And if the bucks start clicking, it may still be an uphill battled.
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Well, Bucks poor shooting from 3 has been a trend for this series. People (including me) said that Bucks won't shoot this poorly from 3 after game 1, and yet, here we are. I thought Bucks would put on a much better offensive performance at home yet they came away with their worst offensive performance. I think it's pretty clear to see that our gameplan & defensive execution against Bucks is very effective and the Bucks simply haven't been able to get a rhythm offensively this series. Unfortunately, our worst defensive lapses happened in the final minute tonight and it cost us the game. So yes, Bucks can improve offensively and I'm sure they will. But our margin for improvement this series is far greater, we didn't get a single good offensive performance tonight, and didn't shoot anywhere close to our playoffs averages.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#592 » by Prokorov » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:15 am

Listening to the comments:
https://www.yesnetwork.com/video/topic/nets

Durant
Doesnt seem shook. nor would you expect it from a champion whose been there before. He doesnt see it as an anomolie. doesnt expect those shots to just fall. said they need to be better and make more plays. Hates how the nets started

Kyrie
Had our chances down the stretch, 'good ole fashion playoff game'. on the last possession: "its not on bruce brown".

Brown:
"we were getting what we wanted, we just werent making shots." no one asked him about the final possesions.

Nash:
"great opportunity for us to learn and grow". "would i want kevin or kai shooting every all... of course but thats just not how it always works out"
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#593 » by Prokorov » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:18 am

DarkXaero wrote:
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DarkXaero wrote:True, but they still got an actually good game out of Middleton, and a 30+ outing for Giannis. And they shot the ball slightly better (not from 3) and got to the line a lot more than us. No one played well for us tonight. Brown had a good first half, KD had a good 2nd half but no one actually shot the ball well overall.


KD scored 30 just like Giannis... on less shots and without the airballed FTs.

They scored 86 points on 37% shooting. hard to really make a case they were anything but awful, despite whatever middleton may have done.

It would, in my opinion, be naive to think they dont score and shoot drastically better in games 4 through 7.

I also dont think people should just pencil in "W"'s if Harden plays... he may be limited both minutes wise and ability when he returns. And if the bucks start clicking, it may still be an uphill battled.
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Well, Bucks poor shooting from 3 has been a trend for this series. People (including me) said that Bucks won't shoot this poorly from 3 after game 1, and yet, here we are. I thought Bucks would put on a much better offensive performance at home yet they came away with their worst offensive performance. I think it's pretty clear to see that our gameplan & defensive execution against Bucks is very effective and the Bucks simply haven't been able to get a rhythm offensively this series. Unfortunately, our worst defensive lapses happened in the final minute tonight and it cost us the game. So yes, Bucks can improve offensively and I'm sure they will. But our margin for improvement this series is far greater, we didn't get a single good offensive performance tonight, and didn't shoot anywhere close to our playoffs averages.


Bucks have a much larger margin for improvement. especially with a win and confidence. they wont continue to shoot 26% on wide open threes. that cant last.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#594 » by sashaturiaf » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:27 am

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sashaturiaf wrote:Not worried about this result. Would have been good to stick the dagger in but I can't see us losing this series.

If the Bucks have an exploitable advantage in this series I haven't seen it. Keep playing the way we have and the odds are in our favour. We couldn't hit anything to start (like game 1 vs Boston) and Kyrie had one of his low energy games (game 3 Boston) Also Joe was putrid. Just one of those open ones for Joe goes down and we win the game.


To be honest, we have had a bit of luck with the amount of wide open threes they have missed. at home you can expect that. but they could have buried us tonight. you expect role guys to be good at home and stink on the road in the playoffs. theirs have stunk in both arenas.

Middleton is playing with confidence, and they know they are 1 home win away from having momentum


The missed open shots goes both ways. I think we have shown for pretty much 11 of the 12 quarters this series that we have an answer for the Bucks. That 1st quarter today ended up costing us a 3-0 lead.

Definitely an extremely disappointing end to the game after fighting back and being in a position to win with a minute left. Wash it off and come back in game 4 like the Celtics series.
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Post#595 » by Papi_swav » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:36 am

ugh that sucks, we had many opportunities but shots wasn't falling. PJ Tucker plays overly aggressive, i mean if refs let him get away with it then i guess its good defense.

But I said this before, Middleton is the guy to worry about. We can't let him have games like this. Giannis might drop 35 but Middleton points just matter more and comes at better times.

Jrue should of never got the last shot off. If we had our defense set I think we would of won. It just sucks giving them hope.

Joe harris shot horribly and MUST make more than 1 shot. KD and Kyrie shot bad but still got their numbers, Joe harris can't have more fouls than points.

Bruce came up big and made some good plays. but he rushed the last couple possessions . Anyway lets hit our shots next game and win then go home to end it .
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Post#596 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:30 am

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NetsJets wrote:We didn’t play good at all and we only lost by 3. I think we’ll be fine. That 2nd to last play was just a good defensive play by the Bucks.


To be fair, they didnt play good at all and they still won by 3.


They haven't played good all series lol. Theyre not that good of a team offensively.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#597 » by therealbig3 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:31 am

Too much doom and gloom because of a 3 point loss. A margin that small in a playoff game means only one thing...it could have gone either way. And based on what I've seen, the Nets have more room for improvement than the Bucks do going forward.

Not worried. KD/Kyrie are bound to shoot better, and I'd be shocked if Harris shoots that poorly again, although I can't expect "great" performances out of him in the PS at this point, just too unreliable when the lights are brightest.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#598 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:33 am

therealbig3 wrote:Too much doom and gloom because of a 3 point loss. A margin that small in a playoff game means only one thing...it could have gone either way. And based on what I've seen, the Nets have more room for improvement than the Bucks do going forward.

Not worried. KD/Kyrie are bound to shoot better, and I'd be shocked if Harris shoots that poorly again, although I can't expect "great" performances out of him in the PS at this point, just too unreliable when the lights are brightest.


Agreed. I was tight initially but lets calm down.

Nobody thought this series was going to be a sweep. Same thing happened vs the Celtics.

Game 4 we need to come out aggressive offensively. Can't have that type of start again.

If we win next game the series is basically over.

Game 2 was far more important than this one and we showed up for that one.

You have to assume KD goes back to being the player he is next game. And they can't stop him.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#599 » by Jay555 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:30 am

Calm down, guys. We shot horrible but were pretty much in the game till last sec. If anything, we should feel pretty good about ourselves. Bucks being at home with refrees help plus Middletons abnormal shooting performance were only able to beat us by 3. This is the Celtics G3 all over again. I expect us to come out gun blazing in G4 and finsiah them off in G5. If Harden is back then, that would be even better.
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Re: GT: Nets @ Bucks Playoffs 2ND Round Game 3 Thursday 7:30 

Post#600 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:32 am

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MrDollarBills wrote:I mean, the main thing as a team is that we failed to get Durant the ball on multiple possessions after the guy destroyed the Bucks on offense late the 4th.

Lots of blame to go around. Nash should have reeled the team in and got everyone on the same page. Brown needs to know his role. This is a team loss and I predict we will see better on Sunday. Hopefully we get Green back

Bro they send double. It was literally anyone but KD.

I'm not sure where Kyrie was. Rip that ball from Brown and make it happen, dude didn't want it at all.


Kyrie was screaming for Brown to pass him the ball back on Brown's ill advised drive that cost us the game.

Kyrie should have called time out once he got in trouble. That entire play was screwed from the beginning because the inbounds pass was so bad it put Irving in an awful position
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