Does Donovan Mitchell's domination of the Clippers call into question Luka's greatness?

[NO-KG-AI]

It shows that Kawhi and George are living off of reputations, and aren’t stoppers.

But also, you can’t put up the kind of numbers they are against ANYONE unless you’re playing incredibly dominant basketball. Their numbers sorta transcend the competition level argument. You put up 40+ in 6 out of 13 career playoff games, and drop 46/15 in a game 7, you’re a monster. Doesn’t matter what happens to them after that.


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[Harry Garris]

Nah. Just makes Porzingis look even more pathetic though when Gobert eats on the boards against the Clippers

Yeah if anyone was "exposed" in that Mavs Clippers series it was Porzingis not Luka. Luka was awesome anyway.

The main difference though is Kawhi was playing completely out of his mind against the Mavs and he's been bad against the Jazz. If the Mavs went up against this version of Kawhi it would have been a sweep.

[RoyceDa59]

No because Luka is big and not particularly fast so the perfect defenders to throw at him are Kawhi and George. He torched them both and anyone else they threw at him.

Mitchell is 6’1 and super fast, and Beverley isn’t what he used to be.

Jazz also have an elite supporting cast, unlike the Mavs.

Both Luka and Mitchell have been very impressive. The NBA is in good hands.

[bradybunch]

Give Luka that Utah talent.

It'd be laughable.

[Cubbies2120]

It shows that Kawhi and George are living off of reputations, and aren’t stoppers.

Don't know about Kawhi there. A majority of the time Luka/Donovan were guarded by Kawhi, the offense revolved around setting a screen to get Kawhi off them.

You can only fight through screens so much during a game while being expected to carry the offensive load. I get it though from Jazz perspective, why try to take Kawhi off the dribble when you can screen and get Morris instead.

[The_Hater]

Another banger from Shock Defeat lol

We think it, you write it....

[PhilBlackson]

How's this thread not locked?

[Mavrelous]

It shows that Kawhi and George are living off of reputations, and aren’t stoppers.

Don't know about Kawhi there. A majority of the time Luka/Donovan were guarded by Kawhi, the offense revolved around setting a screen to get Kawhi off them.

You can only fight through screens so much during a game while being expected to carry the offensive load. I get it though from Jazz perspective, why try to take Kawhi off the dribble when you can screen and get Morris instead.

Luka absolutely did NOT want Kawhi guarding him, but Spurs Kwahi would've fought through screens knowing he doesn't have to be the 1st option offensively, Clippers Kawhi does not have that luxury, and is older and more injured.

and what Mitchell is doing doesn't take away for Luka's greatness it adds to his own greatness.

[Baz]

No - end of thread

[Jazztop]

We have seen Mitchell get everything that he wants in two games vs the Clippers. This seems to indicate that any all star guard could do this against the Clippers' defense. Does this make Luka's performance against them less impressive? Especially considering he blew a 2-0 lead needing to win 2 more games to win the series but losing all 3 games at home. Did Luka become way overrated after his 1st round performance?

Donovan is better than Luka at:
Scoring
Defending
3 point shooting
Free throw shooting
Off the ball movement
Leadership
Clutch
Winning

Luka is better at:
Passing.

I know which player I’d rather have on my team

[Duffman100]

But Luka also dominated the Clippers.... Huh, even is this thread?

[docholliday99]

We have seen Mitchell get everything that he wants in two games vs the Clippers. This seems to indicate that any all star guard could do this against the Clippers' defense. Does this make Luka's performance against them less impressive? Especially considering he blew a 2-0 lead needing to win 2 more games to win the series but losing all 3 games at home. Did Luka become way overrated after his 1st round performance?

Not at all. Can you imagine what Luka could do with the 3xDPOY Gobert at the 5? Porzi is not the same on defense and wants to do too much on offense, which mucks up Luka.

[gorz]

No, but it does show Donovan Mitchell is a better player than given credit for. His regular season stats are good but not elite but one things for sure he always elevates his level of play in the playoffs which for me carries alot more weight. It's baffling some ppl still claim gobert is the jazz best player.. and I've seen many rate him around 20-25 which I think is way too low. Long gone are those days when guys like Ben simmons is considered the better player than Mitchell. I think his closest "rival" in terms of caliber player and similar age is devin booker but I think edge goes to Mitchell given that he's carried his team into post season since his rookie year and suns have only made it after getting Chris paul.

[docholliday99]

We have seen Mitchell get everything that he wants in two games vs the Clippers. This seems to indicate that any all star guard could do this against the Clippers' defense. Does this make Luka's performance against them less impressive? Especially considering he blew a 2-0 lead needing to win 2 more games to win the series but losing all 3 games at home. Did Luka become way overrated after his 1st round performance?

Donovan is better than Luka at:
Scoring
Defending
3 point shooting
Free throw shooting
Off the ball movement
Leadership
Clutch
Winning

Luka is better at:
Passing.

I know which player I’d rather have on my team

I respect the Homer love for Mitchell - he's an incredible talent - but better than Luka? Nah, not really close. Mitchell's awesome, one of my favorite players but Doncic is just on another level.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/luka_doncic_vs_donovan_mitchell.htm

[og15]

It calls into question the Clippers ability to defend perimeter players.

[og15]

It shows that Kawhi and George are living off of reputations, and aren’t stoppers.

But also, you can’t put up the kind of numbers they are against ANYONE unless you’re playing incredibly dominant basketball. Their numbers sorta transcend the competition level argument. You put up 40+ in 6 out of 13 career playoff games, and drop 46/15 in a game 7, you’re a monster. Doesn’t matter what happens to them after that.


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Kawhi has done pretty well when he's actually guarding these guys, at least from the eye test. Of course Lue doesn't want him guarding them all game, and the teams seem to be pretty persistent in trying to screen him off the player if he is guarding them.

[Joao Saraiva]

Nah. Just makes Porzingis look even more pathetic though when Gobert eats on the boards against the Clippers

Yeah if anyone was "exposed" in that Mavs Clippers series it was Porzingis not Luka. Luka was awesome anyway.

The main difference though is Kawhi was playing completely out of his mind against the Mavs and he's been bad against the Jazz. If the Mavs went up against this version of Kawhi it would have been a sweep.

This version of Kawih is because the Jazz are a much better defensive team than the Mavs. It's not like Kawih suddenly forgot how to play. He might have his and maybe some big games, but it will at a higher rate of difficulty than against the Mavs.

[mulamutti]

We have seen Mitchell get everything that he wants in two games vs the Clippers. This seems to indicate that any all star guard could do this against the Clippers' defense. Does this make Luka's performance against them less impressive? Especially considering he blew a 2-0 lead needing to win 2 more games to win the series but losing all 3 games at home. Did Luka become way overrated after his 1st round performance?

No relation to Luka. However, Luka is currently a James Harden. Does not play defense at all, dominates the ball way too much, and plays too much hero ball that alienates the rest of the team. I mean talk about having Porzingis on your team and minimizing him to barely a bench player. Chris boucher gets more touches and therefore more impact then Porzingis.

Luka needs to be course corrected big-time, or his career is gonna follow the standard ball hogging hero-ball careers of iverson, lillard, harden, celtics-kyrie etc. He is very young though. I blame Rick Carlisle more than Luka at this point.

[SwatLakeCity527]

Why are people so hesitant to give mitchell his due?

I have a theory that people from boston, philly, dallas, and atlanta still struggle to do so because they dont want him to outshine their young star (Tatum, simmons, luka, and trae repectively).

Isn't it just possible that DM is a superstar in his own right?

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[kg01]

Why are people so hesitant to give mitchell his due?

I have a theory that people from boston, philly, dallas, and atlanta still struggle to do so because they dont want him to outshine their young star (Tatum, simmons, luka, and trae repectively).

Isn't it just possible that DM is a superstar in his own right?

We don't even talk about Mitchell like that.

Keep our name outcho mouf.