Does Donovan Mitchell's domination of the Clippers call into question Luka's greatness?

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Re: Does Donovan Mitchell's domination of the Clippers call into question Luka's greatness? 

Post#81 » by Archx » Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:15 pm

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Shock Defeat wrote:We have seen Mitchell get everything that he wants in two games vs the Clippers. This seems to indicate that any all star guard could do this against the Clippers' defense. Does this make Luka's performance against them less impressive? Especially considering he blew a 2-0 lead needing to win 2 more games to win the series but losing all 3 games at home. Did Luka become way overrated after his 1st round performance?


No relation to Luka. However, Luka is currently a James Harden. Does not play defense at all, dominates the ball way too much, and plays too much hero ball that alienates the rest of the team. I mean talk about having Porzingis on your team and minimizing him to barely a bench player. Chris boucher gets more touches and therefore more impact then Porzingis.

Luka needs to be course corrected big-time, or his career is gonna follow the standard ball hogging hero-ball careers of iverson, lillard, harden, celtics-kyrie etc. He is very young though. I blame Rick Carlisle more than Luka at this point.


How do you define Mitchell then? 30 shots, 4 assists on a stacked team? We've seen in the past he had the same problems when he openly admited that he shoots way too much. I mean if you blame Luka for being a ballhog while also being one of the best in the league in every assists/passes made categories, it just doesn't make any sense.

It's also funny you say Luka doesn't play any defense, yet he had teams best defensive rating, teams highest steals and was 3rd in blocks. :dontknow:

But like you said, it's also coaches job to prepare a better offensive scheme. It's just the fact that KP couldn't go 1v1 vs Reggie Jackson kinda also limits what you can do with your other "star" player. Without Luka, Mavs had 93 ORTG and with him over 120 ORTG, so yeah...
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Re: Does Donovan Mitchell's domination of the Clippers call into question Luka's greatness? 

Post#82 » by mcmurphy » Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:25 pm

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Re: Does Donovan Mitchell's domination of the Clippers call into question Luka's greatness? 

Post#83 » by Myth » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:11 pm

LikeABosh wrote::lol:

The NBA really does have the dumbest fans

Well, fans did give Derrick Rose an MVP vote.
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Re: Does Donovan Mitchell's domination of the Clippers call into question Luka's greatness? 

Post#84 » by DonaldSanders » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:21 pm

To answer the OP's question: No.
Mitchell is underrated.

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PrinceAli wrote:Nah. Just makes Porzingis look even more pathetic though when Gobert eats on the boards against the Clippers


Yeah if anyone was "exposed" in that Mavs Clippers series it was Porzingis not Luka. Luka was awesome anyway.

The main difference though is Kawhi was playing completely out of his mind against the Mavs and he's been bad against the Jazz. If the Mavs went up against this version of Kawhi it would have been a sweep.



The Jazz have a lot to do with Kawhi's performance. Their defense with Gobert etc is on another level from the Mavs.
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Re: Does Donovan Mitchell's domination of the Clippers call into question Luka's greatness? 

Post#85 » by Cavsfansince84 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:23 pm

Might as well bring up some games from his Euro seasons to explain why you think he may be overrated now. Luka is not even getting that much love right now tbh for the simple reason that his team was eliminated and you don't get talked up that much when you lose in the 1st rd.
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Re: Does Donovan Mitchell's domination of the Clippers call into question Luka's greatness? 

Post#86 » by CobraCommander » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:32 pm

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Shock Defeat wrote:We have seen Mitchell get everything that he wants in two games vs the Clippers. This seems to indicate that any all star guard could do this against the Clippers' defense. Does this make Luka's performance against them less impressive? Especially considering he blew a 2-0 lead needing to win 2 more games to win the series but losing all 3 games at home. Did Luka become way overrated after his 1st round performance?

Donovan is better than Luka at:
Scoring
Defending
3 point shooting
Free throw shooting
Off the ball movement
Leadership
Clutch
Winning

Luka is better at:
Passing.

I know which player I’d rather have on my team


Mitchell is under rated as Luka is over rated...

Last year Mitchell’s playoff numbers

36.3 points, 5.0 rebounds, and 4.9 assists - 52.9% shooting from field and 51.6% from the 3-point line-

I’m not saying Luka better or worse, but damn to act like it isn’t a debate is the laughable part.

Two things can be true- Luka can be really good and Mitchell can be really good.

Who is better will be decided by LUKA and MITCHELL over time...right now Mitchell winning more, is a better shooter at all times from all areas of the court, is in better condition, and doesn’t have the second best player on the team feeling ostracized - but Luka is 6 or so inches taller, and 2 years young and gets more assist... love that the NBA gonna be left to these young guns
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Re: Does Donovan Mitchell's domination of the Clippers call into question Luka's greatness? 

Post#87 » by lamscott » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:34 pm

What? How did he dominate the Clips. They put the clamps on him in the 2nd half. Thank goodness Ingles was there.
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Re: Does Donovan Mitchell's domination of the Clippers call into question Luka's greatness? 

Post#88 » by CobraCommander » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:38 pm

Cavsfansince84 wrote:Might as well bring up some games from his Euro seasons to explain why you think he may be overrated now. Luka is not even getting that much love right now tbh for the simple reason that his team was eliminated and you don't get talked up that much when you lose in the 1st rd.

Literally half the threads are about Luka or something associated to Luka right now. People saying he better than KD, Giannis, curry and KL...and is a all time great and Luka hasn’t won a playoff series or an MVP or anything. I think Luka is the most loved guy in basketball and should be paid like it, marketed like it etc....Jordan should come out with the Luka 1 ASAP - limited run - so as odd as it sounds after my opening....I agree with you....lol

Over rated at basketball and in some basketball circles but not as regarded as he should be beyond the court. The avg American doesn’t know Luka and I bet more could identify Zion than Luka...
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Re: Does Donovan Mitchell's domination of the Clippers call into question Luka's greatness? 

Post#89 » by JonFromVA » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:53 pm

Shock Defeat wrote:We have seen Mitchell get everything that he wants in two games vs the Clippers. This seems to indicate that any all star guard could do this against the Clippers' defense. Does this make Luka's performance against them less impressive? Especially considering he blew a 2-0 lead needing to win 2 more games to win the series but losing all 3 games at home. Did Luka become way overrated after his 1st round performance?


I will say this ... never judge a player by his performance against just one team, especially a losing performance.

Ty Lue doesn't mind selling out his defense to try to force an opponent to beat his team in a way he feels will come up short.
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Re: Does Donovan Mitchell's domination of the Clippers call into question Luka's greatness? 

Post#90 » by Jabroni Lames » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:56 pm

SFour wrote:put Luka on the Jazz in place of Mitchell and they're cruising to a championship


Yeah, but put Mitchell on the Mavs and we're talking multi-decade dynasties.... at least.
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Post#91 » by SwatLakeCity527 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:59 pm

Fair enough haha have heard it the LEAST from hawks fans.

Philly fans are by far the worstbecause of the whole rookie of the year thing.
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SwatLakeCity527 wrote:Why are people so hesitant to give mitchell his due?

I have a theory that people from boston, philly, dallas, and atlanta still struggle to do so because they dont want him to outshine their young star (Tatum, simmons, luka, and trae repectively).

Isn't it just possible that DM is a superstar in his own right?


We don't even talk about Mitchell like that.

Keep our name outcho mouf. :)


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Re: Does Donovan Mitchell's domination of the Clippers call into question Luka's greatness? 

Post#92 » by Woodsanity » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:08 pm

Jazz minus Mitchell and with a healthy Conley would beat the Mavs to be honest.... What a silly take. The talent disparity between teams is astronomical.
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Re: Does Donovan Mitchell's domination of the Clippers call into question Luka's greatness? 

Post#93 » by TheFinishSniper » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:08 pm

LikeABosh wrote::lol:

The NBA really does have the dumbest fans

modern nba has dumbest fans which is reason why product of same era is overrated, overvalued, overinflated in every f possible way so it's no wonder their fans hot takes are dumbest ever too.
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Re: Does Donovan Mitchell's domination of the Clippers call into question Luka's greatness? 

Post#94 » by bisme37 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:11 pm

Yes absolutely. Only one player is allowed to be good at the same time.
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Post#95 » by jpengland » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:19 pm

Harry Garris wrote:
PrinceAli wrote:Nah. Just makes Porzingis look even more pathetic though when Gobert eats on the boards against the Clippers


Yeah if anyone was "exposed" in that Mavs Clippers series it was Porzingis not Luka. Luka was awesome anyway.

The main difference though is Kawhi was playing completely out of his mind against the Mavs and he's been bad against the Jazz. If the Mavs went up against this version of Kawhi it would have been a sweep.


The Mavs series seems to have taken a lot out of Kawhi.
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Post#96 » by Marty McFly » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:30 pm

no offense, but this is a stupid question. the Jazz are a far better team than the Mavs.
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Post#97 » by The High Cyde » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:49 pm

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We think it, you write it....

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Re: Does Donovan Mitchell's domination of the Clippers call into question Luka's greatness? 

Post#98 » by mixerball » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:58 pm

how tf? lets s**t on a 22 year old (with amazing playoff performances) just because
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Re: Does Donovan Mitchell's domination of the Clippers call into question Luka's greatness? 

Post#99 » by Michael Bradley » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:08 pm

Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless are the worst things to happen to sports media. I blame them for hot take message board topics.
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Re: Does Donovan Mitchell's domination of the Clippers call into question Luka's greatness? 

Post#100 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:15 pm

What it should call into question, is the Clippers ability to defend and their status as contenders.
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