Who will the Knicks Target? Here's a List of REALISTIC Players

[Ghetto Gospel]

So you want to eat up the bulk of the salary cap adding more role players? The Knicks are one of the least talented teams in the NBA That IS the reason they got hammered by the Hawks. These 3 guys don't really add the type of talent that would have made them significantly more talented than the counterparts that they would have replaced (Rose, Burks and Bullock).

I don't necessarily disagree because those guys don't really move the needle. The short-term guys we picked up last year (Rose, Burks and Bullock) played their way into probably getting a nice new deal either with us or another team.

Is the play really just to sign scraps to 1 year deals until a superstar says they want to play in NY?

But we've tried this already. No superstar of any worth is going to want to play in NY if the Knicks don't have serious talent in place. The only superstars that have wanted to come to the Knicks low talent teams in the past 20+ years are guys from NY who come in with "fire and desire" and, because they can't perform miracles, get run out of town. That works great theoretically but not really realistically or the Knicks wouldn't still be in the situation they are in.

So we clearly found the problem. No superstar wants to come play for the Knicks if we don't have serious talent already in place.
The question then is how do we get this serious talent in place so that the superstars will want to come to the Knicks? I personally don't think we even have anyone on this roster that is capable of being a serious talent (apologies to RJ). Realistically, the only way is to tank and pray, but we'll never do it and most people don't want us to tank because no one wants to watch an unwatchable basketball team for 4-5 years

[jvsimonetti0514]

Lonzo
Sexton
RJ
Randle
Turner


Your 2021-2022 knicks

I'd definitely sign up for this.. Sexton, Lonzo, RJ, and Randle are all improving as players and Turner is really solid too. He's not a great shooter but he'll at least be a threat on offense, which is more than we can't say about any of our other centers on the team.

[Appleshampoo]

Lonzo
Sexton
RJ
Randle
Turner


Your 2021-2022 knicks

I'd definitely sign up for this.. Sexton, Lonzo, RJ, and Randle are all improving as players and Turner is really solid too. He's not a great shooter but he'll at least be a threat on offense, which is more than we can't say about any of our other centers on the team.

Turner 4 years $72 million seems insane to me... 2 years $35 million remaining... Mitch is a better value. Turners shot 4-19 from 3 against the Knicks this year.

Knicks need to let Mitch shoot and ideally extend his contract before he figures it out at a decent rate like Myles Turner.

[moocow007]

Lonzo
Sexton
RJ
Randle
Turner


Your 2021-2022 knicks

I'd definitely sign up for this.. Sexton, Lonzo, RJ, and Randle are all improving as players and Turner is really solid too. He's not a great shooter but he'll at least be a threat on offense, which is more than we can't say about any of our other centers on the team.

Turner 4 years $72 million seems insane to me... 2 years $35 million remaining... Mitch is a better value. Turners shot 4-19 from 3 against the Knicks this year.

Knicks need to let Mitch shoot and ideally extend his contract before he figures it out at a decent rate like Myles Turner.

Mitch has fired 5 agents already for not getting him what he felt he was worth. I doubt that the Knicks will be able to somehow sign him for cheap.

[moocow007]

I don't necessarily disagree because those guys don't really move the needle. The short-term guys we picked up last year (Rose, Burks and Bullock) played their way into probably getting a nice new deal either with us or another team.

Is the play really just to sign scraps to 1 year deals until a superstar says they want to play in NY?

But we've tried this already. No superstar of any worth is going to want to play in NY if the Knicks don't have serious talent in place. The only superstars that have wanted to come to the Knicks low talent teams in the past 20+ years are guys from NY who come in with "fire and desire" and, because they can't perform miracles, get run out of town. That works great theoretically but not really realistically or the Knicks wouldn't still be in the situation they are in.

So we clearly found the problem. No superstar wants to come play for the Knicks if we don't have serious talent already in place.
The question then is how do we get this serious talent in place so that the superstars will want to come to the Knicks? I personally don't think we even have anyone on this roster that is capable of being a serious talent (apologies to RJ). Realistically, the only way is to tank and pray, but we'll never do it and most people don't want us to tank because no one wants to watch an unwatchable basketball team for 4-5 years

How? You take the assets that this team does have ($70 million in capspace, 4 draft picks this year, a number of young talents...not superstar talents but talents) and see what you can get. That's one way. If they manage to add another player at around or an uptick above Randle caliber that then is the basis of convincing someone even better to come in 2022 (then you fill the roster in with lesser role players at that point). Trading Randle and what not to try and draft someone that you could get lucky on is not the way. Signing a whole bunch of overpriced role players to long term deals is not the way. Now that's obviously IF the goal is to try to build a winner now. If the goal is to 'rebuild' then sure, trade for more draft assets. But I don't see any case where investing heavily in role players is going to help. That creates a treadmill. Either you go for it and try to acquire a top tier talent or you work the draft and scouting magic trying to find a guy that can develop into something that you can build a franchise around.

[aggo]

Lonzo
Sexton
RJ
Randle
Turner


Your 2021-2022 knicks

I'd definitely sign up for this.. Sexton, Lonzo, RJ, and Randle are all improving as players and Turner is really solid too. He's not a great shooter but he'll at least be a threat on offense, which is more than we can't say about any of our other centers on the team.

Turner 4 years $72 million seems insane to me... 2 years $35 million remaining... Mitch is a better value. Turners shot 4-19 from 3 against the Knicks this year.

Knicks need to let Mitch shoot and ideally extend his contract before he figures it out at a decent rate like Myles Turner.

mitch has a pea brain. he has marginally improved since his 2nd year.


Lonzo is a huge risk and Im not a fan. I'd rather Lowry or even trade for Westbrook or Kemba tbh. He just isnt a good PG to build aorund in 2021... he cant run the fastbreak, get to the line, create his own three, or the PNR at avg production.


sexton... ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh i guess if eveyrthing else fails i would be ok with it.

I'd rather give Norm Powell 4/80 or Fournier 4/65

[jvsimonetti0514]

Lonzo
Sexton
RJ
Randle
Turner


Your 2021-2022 knicks

I'd definitely sign up for this.. Sexton, Lonzo, RJ, and Randle are all improving as players and Turner is really solid too. He's not a great shooter but he'll at least be a threat on offense, which is more than we can't say about any of our other centers on the team.

Turner 4 years $72 million seems insane to me... 2 years $35 million remaining... Mitch is a better value. Turners shot 4-19 from 3 against the Knicks this year.

Knicks need to let Mitch shoot and ideally extend his contract before he figures it out at a decent rate like Myles Turner.

Mitch is really only a better value for next year and if we decide to keep him on the cheap next year, the following year he becomes unrestricted. I think I saw Cleveland is offering Jarrett Allen 100 million dollars. He's probably a little bit better than Mitch but I wouldn't be shocked if Mitch's people want something similar. Also Mitch isn't going to be a shooter, I think we need to let that dream die. Maybe if he improved his free throw shooting, you could blame the knicks for not letting him shoot but he shot under 50% from the line. Why should they trust him to shoot if he can't hit free throws? That type of regression doesn't give me confidence about his ability to ever shoot. You're probably right that 17.5 million is a little steep for Turner but realistically how much less are you gonna pay for a big that's one of the best shot blockers in the league that can also hit threes?

[WargamesX]

But we've tried this already. No superstar of any worth is going to want to play in NY if the Knicks don't have serious talent in place. The only superstars that have wanted to come to the Knicks low talent teams in the past 20+ years are guys from NY who come in with "fire and desire" and, because they can't perform miracles, get run out of town. That works great theoretically but not really realistically or the Knicks wouldn't still be in the situation they are in.

So we clearly found the problem. No superstar wants to come play for the Knicks if we don't have serious talent already in place.
The question then is how do we get this serious talent in place so that the superstars will want to come to the Knicks? I personally don't think we even have anyone on this roster that is capable of being a serious talent (apologies to RJ). Realistically, the only way is to tank and pray, but we'll never do it and most people don't want us to tank because no one wants to watch an unwatchable basketball team for 4-5 years

How? You take the assets that this team does have ($70 million in capspace, 4 draft picks this year, a number of young talents...not superstar talents but talents) and see what you can get. That's one way. If they manage to add another player at around or an uptick above Randle caliber that then is the basis of convincing someone even better to come in 2022. That's the only way. Trading Randle and what not to try and draft someone that you could get lucky on is not the way. Signing a whole bunch of overpriced role players to long term deals is not the way. Now that's obviously IF the goal is to try to build a winner now. If the goal is to 'rebuild' then sure, trade for more draft assets.

I think you build up a roster and hope for a disgruntled star. People think the goal is to stop at Lavine or Beal in 2022, but the reality is those guys alongside RJ and Randle all become trade bait for teams with top 10 talent that a player might want to leave. Toronto had to trade Derozan for Kawhi, and they had enough talent to make that Championship run and would have had even more if Kawhi didn't get home sick. Harden could have ended on Miami or Philly for their all stars....

Lets build a team so a All star wants to come here and reassess once we have accomplished that.

[Ghetto Gospel]

But we've tried this already. No superstar of any worth is going to want to play in NY if the Knicks don't have serious talent in place. The only superstars that have wanted to come to the Knicks low talent teams in the past 20+ years are guys from NY who come in with "fire and desire" and, because they can't perform miracles, get run out of town. That works great theoretically but not really realistically or the Knicks wouldn't still be in the situation they are in.

So we clearly found the problem. No superstar wants to come play for the Knicks if we don't have serious talent already in place.
The question then is how do we get this serious talent in place so that the superstars will want to come to the Knicks? I personally don't think we even have anyone on this roster that is capable of being a serious talent (apologies to RJ). Realistically, the only way is to tank and pray, but we'll never do it and most people don't want us to tank because no one wants to watch an unwatchable basketball team for 4-5 years

How? You take the assets that this team does have ($70 million in capspace, 4 draft picks this year, a number of young talents...not superstar talents but talents) and see what you can get. That's one way.

Who do you want to spend the capspace on? No one that we can realistically (CP3, Kawhi) get in free agency is a serious talent or move the needle. Any trade where we take on contracts for a pick will be from a contending team that also will only get us late picks
What are we doing with those draft picks? they're all late picks and chances are they'll be role/bench players or out of the league

I'm failing to see how we can get serious talent in place for a superstar to want to come with what we have

[moocow007]

So we clearly found the problem. No superstar wants to come play for the Knicks if we don't have serious talent already in place.
The question then is how do we get this serious talent in place so that the superstars will want to come to the Knicks? I personally don't think we even have anyone on this roster that is capable of being a serious talent (apologies to RJ). Realistically, the only way is to tank and pray, but we'll never do it and most people don't want us to tank because no one wants to watch an unwatchable basketball team for 4-5 years

How? You take the assets that this team does have ($70 million in capspace, 4 draft picks this year, a number of young talents...not superstar talents but talents) and see what you can get. That's one way. If they manage to add another player at around or an uptick above Randle caliber that then is the basis of convincing someone even better to come in 2022. That's the only way. Trading Randle and what not to try and draft someone that you could get lucky on is not the way. Signing a whole bunch of overpriced role players to long term deals is not the way. Now that's obviously IF the goal is to try to build a winner now. If the goal is to 'rebuild' then sure, trade for more draft assets.

I think you build up a roster and hope for a disgruntled star. People think the goal is to stop at Lavine or Beal in 2022, but the reality is those guys alongside RJ and Randle all become trade bait for teams with top 10 talent that the player plans to leave. Toronto had to trade Derozan for Kawhi, and they had enough talent to make that Championship run and would have had even more if Kawhi didn't get home sick.

Lets build a team so a All star wants to come here and reassess once we have accomplished that.

Why would a disgruntled star want to come to a team where he'd be put into the same position that Carmelo Anthony was put in? That Stephon Marbury was put in? Even Ewing to some degree was put in. Knick fans make fun of and take jabs at both these guys but fail to realize that other top tier players realize what the deal is if you sign with the Knicks and don't have someone else that can actually back you up and that is if you can't perform a miracle you'll get run out of town and have your legacy tainted. It's why Lebron didn't seriously consider NY. It's why Jordan didn't seriously consider NY. Shaq didn't seriously consider NY. KD didn't. Kyrie didn't. Kawhi didn't. etc. etc. Superstars want to play with other superstars not with role players especially if it's in the NY spotlight.

[Appleshampoo]

I'd definitely sign up for this.. Sexton, Lonzo, RJ, and Randle are all improving as players and Turner is really solid too. He's not a great shooter but he'll at least be a threat on offense, which is more than we can't say about any of our other centers on the team.

Turner 4 years $72 million seems insane to me... 2 years $35 million remaining... Mitch is a better value. Turners shot 4-19 from 3 against the Knicks this year.

Knicks need to let Mitch shoot and ideally extend his contract before he figures it out at a decent rate like Myles Turner.

Mitch is really only a better value for next year and if we decide to keep him on the cheap next year, the following year he becomes unrestricted. I think I saw Cleveland is offering Jarrett Allen 100 million dollars. He's probably a little bit better than Mitch but I wouldn't be shocked if Mitch's people want something similar. Also Mitch isn't going to be a shooter, I think we need to let that dream die. Maybe if he improved his free throw shooting, you could blame the knicks for not letting him shoot but he shot under 50% from the line. Why should they trust him to shoot if he can't hit free throws? That type of regression doesn't give me confidence about his ability to ever shoot. You're probably right that 17.5 million is a little steep for Turner but realistically how much less are you gonna pay for a big that's one of the best shot blockers in the league that can also hit threes?

I prefer the starting center potentially get 10 RBs a game instead of 6 RBs and shoot 33% from 3. I see what you mean though. Good points on his lack of shooting promise. I'd at least like to see post moves developed.

I wonder what Sexton would net in a trade. IQ and picks? That would kind of suck but Sexton can light it up.

[jvsimonetti0514]

Turner 4 years $72 million seems insane to me... 2 years $35 million remaining... Mitch is a better value. Turners shot 4-19 from 3 against the Knicks this year.

Knicks need to let Mitch shoot and ideally extend his contract before he figures it out at a decent rate like Myles Turner.

Mitch is really only a better value for next year and if we decide to keep him on the cheap next year, the following year he becomes unrestricted. I think I saw Cleveland is offering Jarrett Allen 100 million dollars. He's probably a little bit better than Mitch but I wouldn't be shocked if Mitch's people want something similar. Also Mitch isn't going to be a shooter, I think we need to let that dream die. Maybe if he improved his free throw shooting, you could blame the knicks for not letting him shoot but he shot under 50% from the line. Why should they trust him to shoot if he can't hit free throws? That type of regression doesn't give me confidence about his ability to ever shoot. You're probably right that 17.5 million is a little steep for Turner but realistically how much less are you gonna pay for a big that's one of the best shot blockers in the league that can also hit threes?

I prefer the starting center potentially get 10 RBs a game instead of 6 RBs and shoot 33% from 3. I see what you mean though. Good points on his lack of shooting promise. I'd at least like to see post moves developed.

I wonder what Sexton would net in a trade. IQ and picks? That would kind of suck but Sexton can light it up.

That's totally fair and maybe I'm overreacting to the the hawks series but having a big that's some sort of scoring threat would have been a huge help. Mitch does offer more vertical spacing than Noel or Taj but I'm not sure if that would have been enough to occupy Capella's attention?

What the Sexton trade might cost is definitely the million dollar question. I really do like IQ too but I kinda wonder if he'll ever be able to score in the midrange or at the rim. Sexton would definitely be an upgrade over him for things like that. So maybe IQ+ Knox plus the Mavs pick? Or Maybe Obi and Knox and our pick cuz Cleveland doesn't need anymore guards?

[louisorr]

so realistically, what gets us Turner? 21' Dallas pick plus Knox? probably not.
'21 Dallas plus a '23 NYK frp? ( since Dallas might not be all a that by then, better to bet on your own team)
Because signing Lonzo and re-signing Burk, reggie and rose while letting frank, Payton and noel walk is financially possible.
Keeps the basic resemblance of the team intact only you upgrade the two starters that can't shoot with 2 who can. Mitch would platoon..
Lonzo and Myles defense is easily right there with Payton and Noel but now you add two 3 point weapons.
I would think this would be considered a conservative get, yet significant upgrade in ppg avg.
Plus you have a pick in each draft going forward.
I like this scenario because it doesn't really rock the boat, also still gives a season to evaluate obi vs Randle but with real nba spacing.

[sol537]

Mitch + Obi + Knox + Cash for Turner + Brogdon

Turner / Randle / Bullock / RJ / Brogdon
Bench: Rose, IQ, Taj, draftees

[cgf]

How? You take the assets that this team does have ($70 million in capspace, 4 draft picks this year, a number of young talents...not superstar talents but talents) and see what you can get. That's one way. If they manage to add another player at around or an uptick above Randle caliber that then is the basis of convincing someone even better to come in 2022. That's the only way. Trading Randle and what not to try and draft someone that you could get lucky on is not the way. Signing a whole bunch of overpriced role players to long term deals is not the way. Now that's obviously IF the goal is to try to build a winner now. If the goal is to 'rebuild' then sure, trade for more draft assets.

I think you build up a roster and hope for a disgruntled star. People think the goal is to stop at Lavine or Beal in 2022, but the reality is those guys alongside RJ and Randle all become trade bait for teams with top 10 talent that the player plans to leave. Toronto had to trade Derozan for Kawhi, and they had enough talent to make that Championship run and would have had even more if Kawhi didn't get home sick.

Lets build a team so a All star wants to come here and reassess once we have accomplished that.

Why would a disgruntled star want to come to a team where he'd be put into the same position that Carmelo Anthony was put in? That Stephon Marbury was put in? Even Ewing to some degree was put in. Knick fans make fun of and take jabs at both these guys but fail to realize that other top tier players realize what the deal is if you sign with the Knicks and don't have someone else that can actually back you up and that is if you can't perform a miracle you'll get run out of town and have your legacy tainted. It's why Lebron didn't seriously consider NY. It's why Jordan didn't seriously consider NY. Shaq didn't seriously consider NY. KD didn't. Kyrie didn't. Kawhi didn't. etc. etc. Superstars want to play with other superstars not with role players especially if it's in the NY spotlight.

If Ewing or Melo had a prime RJ Barrett & a Randle/Lavine/Sexton as his 2nd & 3rd options, with defenders like Mitch & Lonzo/Brogdon filling out the starting lineup; they may well have won a ring...and then their legacies would've been gold plated.

That's why a Zion or Booker could be interested in joining us down the line, if things don't work out with their current teams...and our FO is able to build a Toronto-before-Kawhi caliber team with RJ-to-Julius aged guys...without burning all of our assets & handing out negative-value contracts to do so.

There are no guarantees & just getting to that point will take some shrewd maneuvering + luck...but unless someone offers us an insane futures package for Julius this summer, all we can do is try to put ourselves in position to make our own version of a DeRozan+Poetl+2 FRPs for Kawhi trade, and hope that if it happens, winning in NY has a little more pull than winning in Toronto.

[John Murdoch]

nah we watched the playoffs

Trust me most of us hate him too , jus curiois as to what his market will be in FA everyone keeps sayin knicks

Why do you guys hate him? Cause he couldn't replace Davis as the Robin to Lebron's Batman after AD got injured?

We view him as a 6th man super sub but he wants to start. His 3 ball isnt where it needs to be , and he picks and chooses when to show up kon defense. Then factor in he turned down our extension..removed Lakers from his bio ..

[cgf]

Trust me most of us hate him too , jus curiois as to what his market will be in FA everyone keeps sayin knicks

Why do you guys hate him? Cause he couldn't replace Davis as the Robin to Lebron's Batman after AD got injured?

We view him as a 6th man super sub but he wants to start. His 3 ball isnt where it needs to be , and he picks and chooses when to show up kon defense. Then factor in he turned down our extension..removed Lakers from his bio ..

Dennis seems like a handful. Like any german in the NBA, I'm rooting for his success, but he just seems like a lot to deal with for a "just good" player...especially one who shouldn't be a top 3 option on a team with real intentions.

[NewKnicks]

Totally forgot about John Wall. Id make a play for him

I'm thinking he's one they will definitely target. He's still relatively young, and we need talent. John Wall is talented.

I don’t like his attitude, honestly... but if he matured and with the Kentucky squad here, I’d be open to it

I don 't either. He's definitely a head case, but I think it's still worth a shot. He's a shot creator, and can facilitate. I think this would be one of the better moves we could make that could significantly improve our current roster.

[8516knicks]

Mitch + Obi + Knox + Cash for Turner + Brogdon

Turner / Randle / Bullock / RJ / Brogdon
Bench: Rose, IQ, Taj, draftees

Swap out Bullock for a decent PG on the starting 5 and it's interesting.

[TBri1974]

What would you guys think of some version of this:
Porzingis and a re-signed Frank to Boston
Knox to Dallas
Walker, Pritchard, Nesmith and the Boston 1st to NY

Dallas gets free agency space to build around Luka
Boston exchanges Walker for a still productive Porzingis - who fits a need there
NY gets 2 young players and a 1st rounder for taking on 2 years of Walker's contract.

NY would need a follow up trade as we don't want all young players and draft picks, but it gives us the capital to move around (for instance we could then trade one of Boston's players, one of our first rounders and the #32 pick for Grant from Detroit, and still have 2 1st round picks and a starting PG

Walker/Rose/Luka (Argentina)
RJ/IQ/Nesmith/Bullock
Grant/RJ/Bullock
Randle/Toppin/Grant
Mitch/Paelle/Gibson

And that is before considering the 2 1st rounders - at least 1 of which we'd likely use on the best PG available.