Who will the Knicks Target? Here's a List of REALISTIC Players

[cgf]

Mitch + Obi + Knox + Cash for Turner + Brogdon

Turner / Randle / Bullock / RJ / Brogdon
Bench: Rose, IQ, Taj, draftees

Obi, Mitch & all of our capspace is a high price to pay for Brogdon

[NewKnicks]

What are you basing any of this off of? In what world is fox who just signed a contract last year even remotely available?
I have a hard time believing that thibs who just got fired partially due to kat would want him here.
Westbrook? If that happened that would mean that washington is rebuilding and in in that scenario the knicks would target beal not westbrook.
Butlers not even realistic speculation at this point.

List def needs a good edit

I didn't take 2 weeks to put it together. I did in 5 minutes. Take it easy. I took Fox off the list. Only way we get him is a trade for Randle.

And yeah, this list is speculating. That's the whole point of the list. Why don't you create your own damn list and do better?

[8516knicks]

Mitch + Obi + Knox + Cash for Turner + Brogdon

Turner / Randle / Bullock / RJ / Brogdon
Bench: Rose, IQ, Taj, draftees

Obi, Mitch & all of our capspace is a high price to pay for Brogdon

He included Turner also. Didn't read it sucked up our capspace, he just said cash?>??

[cgf]

Mitch + Obi + Knox + Cash for Turner + Brogdon

Turner / Randle / Bullock / RJ / Brogdon
Bench: Rose, IQ, Taj, draftees

Obi, Mitch & all of our capspace is a high price to pay for Brogdon

He included Turner also. Didn't read it sucked up our capspace, he just said cash?>??

I was just making a joke about Turner being a downgrade from Mitch...

...but Brogdon & Turner have a caphit of almost 40M this coming season; while Mitch, Obi & Knox have a caphit under 13M. So we'd be losing ~27M in capspace by making this trade.

[NYF13]

Knicks will never trade Obi (first pick from this new management) for a player like Turner. It will be players from the old management. That’s how things work. Haha

[NewKnicks]

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Randle for KP and Brunson.

I'd do that in a heartbeat.

[Appleshampoo]

Knicks will never trade Obi (first pick from this new management) for a player like Turner. It will be players from the old management. That’s how things work. Haha

Gooodbye Kevin it's been nice, hope you find your paradise.

[NewKnicks]

What are you basing any of this off of? In what world is fox who just signed a contract last year even remotely available?
I have a hard time believing that thibs who just got fired partially due to kat would want him here.
Westbrook? If that happened that would mean that washington is rebuilding and in in that scenario the knicks would target beal not westbrook.
Butlers not even realistic speculation at this point.

List def needs a good edit

The idea is if the Kings win the lottery and select Cade Cunnigham, then Fox may become available. You can replace Fox with Cunnigham and Bagley with Randle. Kings probably won’t do it but that’s where the idea stems from.

why would they theoretically trade a proven player, their best player for an unproven one? That would just be silly

It's not silly when it's Cade Cunningham. You will understand in a few years.

[NewKnicks]

Healthy John Wall is still a beast. He had some big games against good teams.

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Of course the biggest factor is his ability to stay healthy. So he’s not my main target. But if we strike out everywhere else and we can get Wall along with some assets, I’m in.

“Instead of having another year of the grind of working to get back, it can be an offseason of maintenance and kind of taking care of his body, as opposed to trying to strengthen and fix,” Silas said of Wall.

Having a healthier body might also help Wall with shooting, which is arguably his biggest deficiency as a player. While Wall’s shooting numbers in Houston were subpar, it’s worth noting he shot 44.1% from the field and 35.1% on 3-pointers over his first 19 games with the Rockets.

Then, as injuries mounted over the remaining 21 games, those percentages slipped to 37.4% and 29.0%, respectively. Houston’s hope is that the first half of Wall’s 2020-21 is more representative of what can be expected in 2021-22, assuming his body is physically ready.

So we’re getting the lottery pick, because if not ****’em

Zero chance of that happening.

[NewKnicks]

I have to think Wes is working those back channels as we speak... With the Kentucky connection we're an obvious fit for him. But I would not actively trade for that deal unless they really sweeten the pot. I think if you're looking to take a bad deal on Kemba would be the better option because he only has 1 year on short rest of bad production under his belt and he still had moments last year where he looked like his normal self. Also his archetype is a better fit with the roster than Wall's is. We need shot making in the playoffs. Kemba, when right, gives you that at an elite level.

If Wall is just cut loose he would be insane to not find his way onto a contender. MLE Lakers and a chance at a ring is better than a chance to start in NY for a best case 2nd round team.

Is it though? Yes he can challenge for a title, but he's not a natural fit there because LBJ and AD aren't natural shooters. Adding the 3rd non-shooter isn't exactly ideal to that and we saw what happened to Schroder when they actually got to the playoffs. He could never really get his footing and he probably cost himself tons of money this offseason.

Wall might look at it and say I can walk into the Knicks, with staff that is comfortable with him, be the starter, have the ball in my hands more and prove I can play on a winning team, stay healthy and also be able to showcase himself a little bit as well because the Knicks need another real ball handler. If he goes to the Lakers he has to sit back and watch LeBron and AD try to cook everything up and if it doesn't work out with them he's going to tank his value because they will bench him (see Drummond).

I think, in the scenario you're talking about the best situation for him would be the Clippers. They are desperate for some ball handling and playmaking away from PG and Kawhi. They are loaded with shooters for him to spray the ball out to which was always his best skill and they have enough defenders to cover for his lost ability on that end.

But at the end of the day money talks and the Knicks, if all else fails can give him a bigger pay day than any other team can.

It depends on if Wall wants to sacrifice an extra 5-10 million to play for a contender or get a chance at another bigger deal down the line by giving the Knicks good production as more of a focal point.

Wall seems like the kind of guy that's going to take the biggest paycheck. Most players do, but I just have a feeling that is what will motivate him the most. He still has time to join a contender in two to three years, when he's 34-35. I could see him trying to get paid for a few more years before he does that.

[NewKnicks]

I would take John Wall and two 1st rounders for cap relief and Knox or Obi.

we still use obi, they can have knox and only knox. Sign and trade frankie smokes if they so desire

Throwing in Knox or Frank in any trade is completely worthless. You know that, right? Would you want Houston to add one of their sh*tty bench players in the trade? Would that move the needle? There is no need to mention either one in a trade.

[NewKnicks]

If shooting was the only thing that matters no it wouldn't be an upgrade. But Oubre does trump Bullock in the one area that so happens to be the Knicks biggest weakness...talent.

IMO Talent without the commensurate production is wasted talent. The Warriors version of Oubre is not something I would sign up for. And I feel like we can ultimately do better.

Oubre is younger than Julius Randle and folks were not liking the previous versions of Randle either. There is a reason why so many teams are rumored to be very interested in Oubre. It's his ability to impact the game with the ball when he's in the game and what most team have come to realize that you need to have guys that can score on multiple levels in the NBA if you plan on competing with the big dogs. While no he's not lived up to his talent potential (see Randle up until this season) there is the talent and room to become more. Bullock? he is what he is and this past season, with Thibs pushing everyone to go above and beyond their norm, is likely going to be hard to reproduce. That is what Bullock is all likelihood. And we saw what the lack of versatile and talented offensive players does for a team come playoff time. If the plan was for Oubre to be the main guy then yeah, that's a potential disaster, but the Knicks are not. They have Randle and hopefully are aiming for a true no.1. So Oubre would serve what many of the Hawks players behind Trae serves...multi skilled and versatile offensive players that force you the opposing team to have to spend energy to guard...that has the talent to actually punch back when the opposing team throws their own. It's what ultimately doomed the Knicks...their lack of anyone that can thrown a punch on offense game in and game out. No he's not a great 3 point shooter but you don't need everyone on your team to be able to shoot 3's. It's great if they could but you need guys that can create baskets and not have to rely on someone else to get them set up. Yeah it would be great if we can get an Oubre level talent that can also shoot 3's real well and that doesn't have the Tsunami Papi personality quirks, but those are the top tier guys that we have no way of getting. And even if we could it doesn't mean that adding someone that has his talent but is not perfect isn't a good move...especially in today's NBA...

Great post Moo. Oubre would be a great add for the Knicks. I hope we go after him hard.

[nykballa2k4]

If Wall is just cut loose he would be insane to not find his way onto a contender. MLE Lakers and a chance at a ring is better than a chance to start in NY for a best case 2nd round team.

Is it though? Yes he can challenge for a title, but he's not a natural fit there because LBJ and AD aren't natural shooters. Adding the 3rd non-shooter isn't exactly ideal to that and we saw what happened to Schroder when they actually got to the playoffs. He could never really get his footing and he probably cost himself tons of money this offseason.

Wall might look at it and say I can walk into the Knicks, with staff that is comfortable with him, be the starter, have the ball in my hands more and prove I can play on a winning team, stay healthy and also be able to showcase himself a little bit as well because the Knicks need another real ball handler. If he goes to the Lakers he has to sit back and watch LeBron and AD try to cook everything up and if it doesn't work out with them he's going to tank his value because they will bench him (see Drummond).

I think, in the scenario you're talking about the best situation for him would be the Clippers. They are desperate for some ball handling and playmaking away from PG and Kawhi. They are loaded with shooters for him to spray the ball out to which was always his best skill and they have enough defenders to cover for his lost ability on that end.

But at the end of the day money talks and the Knicks, if all else fails can give him a bigger pay day than any other team can.

It depends on if Wall wants to sacrifice an extra 5-10 million to play for a contender or get a chance at another bigger deal down the line by giving the Knicks good production as more of a focal point.

Wall seems like the kind of guy that's going to take the biggest paycheck. Most players do, but I just have a feeling that is what will motivate him the most. He still has time to join a contender in two to three years, when he's 34-35. I could see him trying to get paid for a few more years before he does that.

If he is focused on the money, he is not opting out of his contract and is getting every bit of his 80 mil next two years.

[NewKnicks]

Here's a list of 75 players the Knicks will realistically target. this place....

There isn't anything to get excited about for me. I see a treadmill in the making. I would prefer a youth movement but ..whatever. I really don't see much that will get is to contend until these superteams run out of gas so...yeah. Who is realistically coming here in the next 2 years? What top star players will come? That's what it takes to win.

So instead I should have made the thread.. "Knicks will suck and have no chance to do anything for 2+ years, so don't sign any players and just sit in your bed and cry"

Would you have preferred that? It's a message board that's talks about everything Knicks. You do know that, right? And actually that list is pretty good as far as who will realistically be here. I guess you prefer no threads at all about the Knicks future on a Knicks message board?

[HarthorneWingo]

Is it though? Yes he can challenge for a title, but he's not a natural fit there because LBJ and AD aren't natural shooters. Adding the 3rd non-shooter isn't exactly ideal to that and we saw what happened to Schroder when they actually got to the playoffs. He could never really get his footing and he probably cost himself tons of money this offseason.

Wall might look at it and say I can walk into the Knicks, with staff that is comfortable with him, be the starter, have the ball in my hands more and prove I can play on a winning team, stay healthy and also be able to showcase himself a little bit as well because the Knicks need another real ball handler. If he goes to the Lakers he has to sit back and watch LeBron and AD try to cook everything up and if it doesn't work out with them he's going to tank his value because they will bench him (see Drummond).

I think, in the scenario you're talking about the best situation for him would be the Clippers. They are desperate for some ball handling and playmaking away from PG and Kawhi. They are loaded with shooters for him to spray the ball out to which was always his best skill and they have enough defenders to cover for his lost ability on that end.

But at the end of the day money talks and the Knicks, if all else fails can give him a bigger pay day than any other team can.

It depends on if Wall wants to sacrifice an extra 5-10 million to play for a contender or get a chance at another bigger deal down the line by giving the Knicks good production as more of a focal point.

Wall seems like the kind of guy that's going to take the biggest paycheck. Most players do, but I just have a feeling that is what will motivate him the most. He still has time to join a contender in two to three years, when he's 34-35. I could see him trying to get paid for a few more years before he does that.

If he is focused on the money, he is not opting out of his contract and is getting every bit of his 80 mil next two years.

Right. That contract is gold.

So what would a John Wall to the Knicks trade look like?

[nykballa2k4]

Wall seems like the kind of guy that's going to take the biggest paycheck. Most players do, but I just have a feeling that is what will motivate him the most. He still has time to join a contender in two to three years, when he's 34-35. I could see him trying to get paid for a few more years before he does that.

If he is focused on the money, he is not opting out of his contract and is getting every bit of his 80 mil next two years.

Right. That contract is gold.

So what would a John Wall to the Knicks trade look like?

All of our cap space for him? Not an ideal move...

[HarthorneWingo]

If he is focused on the money, he is not opting out of his contract and is getting every bit of his 80 mil next two years.

Right. That contract is gold.

So what would a John Wall to the Knicks trade look like?

All of our cap space for him? Not an ideal move...

Oh, right. $44 million per year? So, if we wants out of Houston, maybe he'll have to opt out and resign at a more friendly contract.

[NewKnicks]

Random, but is there anyway we could sign Chris Paul to a 3 yr/100 million contract and Kawhi to the max just using cap space or would we have to make trades?

No. Why would Paul leave a winning team in PHX? Why would Kawhi want to leave his home in Southern Cal?

I know that doesn't answer your question, and I guess it's okay to dream. I'm just being an ass today. My apologizes.

[NewKnicks]

He feels confident he can get over $20 million per year on a long-term deal, according to Michael Scotto of HoopsHype Podcast. In 2020-21, Oubre made under $14.4 million with the Warriors.

https://nypost.com/2021/06/11/nba-free-agency-knicks-not-alone-in-kelly-oubre-interest/

Kelly Oubre confident he can get 20 mil plus per season on a long term deal?!?! ewwwww

He's right. He will get it. So the biggest thing we should be focusing on is getting players on good, shorter term deals. So I guess that eliminates Oubre, unless he'd take a 2 yr/40-45M contract.

Since we're not winning anything in two years, we might see the front office do they same boring crap they've done the past two, and sign middling 1 year vets. Doesn't that sound fun?

[BugginOut]

Random, but is there anyway we could sign Chris Paul to a 3 yr/100 million contract and Kawhi to the max just using cap space or would we have to make trades?

No. Why would Paul leave a winning team in PHX? Why would Kawhi want to leave his home in Southern Cal?

I know that doesn't answer your question, and I guess it's okay to dream. I'm just being an ass today. My apologizes.