MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

[HeatFanLifer]

I like the idea of getting the 2023 pick back and more importantly not trading any other picks. Other than Yimmy, this team has not signed a big name FA since the big 3 era. Team needs to think about building organically like the Spurs did. The “save up cap space cuz in 2 years we will sign someone big” model has failed year after year. The Heat got who the Heat got.

[DayofMourning]

It's more meh I think Panda. Doesn't make us better than we were last year. Giving away prospects to treadmill isn't good asset management.

Look at the big picture. If we get our 2023 pick back it unlocks many trade possibilities to get a star. We can now trade multiple first. Horford has a partial guarantee next year and will be expiring. Okpala is barely an asset. We could probably do better in the undrafted free agent market.

Working as a capped team also allows us to compliment this starting lineup with strong bench reinforcements using the MLE and Bi annual.

Well, I don't see Presti trading a pick to get out from under a contract. The guy has 400 draft picks in the next 10 years for a reason. He will trade Horford and ask for a draft pick back.

[contract]

Do people really want 35 year old Horford for 3/80?!

The money doesn't matter much. We're going to be capped out no matter what. And it's not nearly that much. Horfords remaining contract is ...

'21-'22: $27,000,000 ... guaranteed
'22-'23: $26,500,000 ... $14.5 million of that is guaranteed

That's it. It's a $41.5 million commitment for 2 years.

****ing let big Andy sit on my face and suffocate me.

Wrong thread.

Makes KPs 4/129 look great

It's a matter of picking your poison. One is soft physically and mentally. The other is old and pretty washed. Horford is cheaper, a shorter commitment, and a better passer. Porzingis is a more talented scorer, a better rebounder, and is only 26 next season.

But trading for either would probably mean not getting Lowry.

We really don't have any good options. It's more a matter of trying to pick the least bad.

[RexBoyWonder]

Generally speaking, I think we should change out thinking regarding the draft.

I think if we could just stop trading away picks or swaps, and just pick players in like 5 consecutive drafts - we'll give ourselves a chance to add a difference maker. Guys like Bam, Booker, Mitchell were all in the 10-20 range in draft.


We're good at developing guys, we're decent at picking the right guys, we just don't have enough chances to do it because half our picks are gone, probably more then half because we have no second rounders left in the next few drafts.

The only way we should trade picks is for a proven star. Don't trade picks to dump salary, or for role players, or for gambles on broken players.


It's getting harder and harder to get a star in free agency these days, and even trading for one is harder then ever because there are way more teams then there are stars and the asking price is just getting bigger and bigger.


We need to the Spurs route. Draft a lot, draft often. Most players won't amount to much, but if you get enough cracks at it we'll finally hit big on 1 or 2 and those difference makers will attract more outside stars and give us something solid to build around.


There's nothing more valuable in this league then a young star you drafted. We need to act like it.

[Bishop45]

There's nothing more valuable in this league then a young star you drafted. We need to act like it.

Top 5-10 player, unless you mean sentimental value

[contract]

Generally speaking, I think we should change out thinking regarding the draft.

I think if we could just stop trading away picks or swaps, and just pick players in like 5 consecutive drafts - we'll give ourselves a chance to add a difference maker. Guys like Bam, Booker, Mitchell were all in the 10-20 range in draft.


We're good at developing guys, we're decent at picking the right guys, we just don't have enough chances to do it because half our picks are gone, probably more then half because we have no second rounders left in the next few drafts.

The only way we should trade picks is for a proven star. Don't trade picks to dump salary, or for role players, or for gambles on broken players.


It's getting harder and harder to get a star in free agency these days, and even trading for one is harder then ever because there are way more teams then there are stars and the asking price is just getting bigger and bigger.


We need to the Spurs route. Draft a lot, draft often. Most players won't amount to much, but if you get enough cracks at it we'll finally hit big on 1 or 2 and those difference makers will attract more outside stars and give us something solid to build around.


There's nothing more valuable in this league then a young star you drafted. We need to act like it.

You know the main problem with this plan. Pat Riley is not going to wait around for kids to develop. He's just not. He's never had that type of patience.

[dagger151]

I dont want to bring the board down but having watched almost every game in the playoffs so far… we are so far away from winning a title… just speaking the truth…

When you see what Trae Young is doing, Luka, Kawhi, Donovan, Jokic, Embiid, Durant, Harden… ja Morant… i just named a bunch of players that each are better than any two top players in our roster, combined. I would trade Bam and Butler for any one of those players and some of those GM’s would laugh and hang up the phone.

Thats why im calling for us to blow it up before its too late… dont wait until Jimmy gets old… and then you have Bam and a bunch or scrubs… wasting his career away like we did to Wade from 07-09. (His best years after the olympics). if theres a superstar to be had, give up everyone and pair that superstar with Bam

i totally i agree with you and dom on this issue. unless you are injured or something you put your best effort to win games before the fans not that bs that they displayed on national tv for all to see. it was truly disgraceful, as a matter of fact they (FO to players and coaches) should have been embarrassed by the lack of effort, heart and basketball IQ that they showed on the floor.

but any true meaningful change should start with the firing of the head coach, dude cant adjust on the fly and its too stubborn and doesnt inspire the players to be the best of themselves.

riley did that, spobot needs an upgrade for that to happen. clean house,if not you are just treadmilling the team in to irrelevance

We know that Riley will most certainly never blow it up though. He is going to hold out hope that the squad can compete and that somehow he will be able to land a big fish.

I would blow it up. Not because I have some negative reaction to getting swept by a team, but because the magic we had with a healthy Dragic, a fired up Jimmy, and a bubble Jae was lightning in a bottle. I do believe we performed greatly last year, and we never came close to matching that fire this year. Blame it on whatever you want, but our team looked rough this year. We've had those lightning in a bottle moments before (superstar Dion and company). There is something special in what we do in Miami, but its not good enough to overcome lack of talent. You can't keep banking on G Leaguers to balance out a roster.

I've always been a believer in the draft process. A team that recognizes talent, which Miami certainly does, can benefit greatly from having high draft picks. Some FO's are going to draft bust after bust, because they like to gamble on traits that don't translate. I have faith in our FO to draft a guy who has the right kind of potential.

I don't think Butler is going to get a treasure trove of picks, but if we did trade him to a win now team like GSW, then you could take advantage of the right situation at the right time. Wiseman and their lottos could be had. That's not a special return, and GSW wins that trade because they certainly get the best player and it helps them immediately. Miami would have to hope Wiseman has a level head, and that they draft well at 7 and 14. Lots of variables there.

What it does do is put Bam and Herro into potential lead scorer roles which helps them develop. It also is almost guaranteed to put the Heat in the lottery next year. At that point you have Bam, Herro, Precious, KZ, Wiseman, picks 7 and 14 in 2021, and another lotto in 2022. You have a ton of cap space. That's how a team can go from being the 2020 Nets to the 2021 Nets.

That's how I'd try and attack it if I were the GM. Could fail miserably, or never materialize, but from my armchair it sounds pretty good.

Nunn and Robinson were G leaguers and both of them are about to get paid $15M or more a year. You can kiss Nunn goodbye! Spo never trusts him and he will get paid elsewhere. Not saying the Heat should, but lets be real, he is going to get paid by someone else. I think D Rob has a better chance of staying after crapping out in the playoffs this season.

Heat looked dead this year, they left it on the table in the bubble and overacheived. Same narrative we have had in years past, we sign all our players back and then they stink. Bam is another example of that. He got paid and now isnt living up to the contract.

I doubt anyone on this board wanted to trade Bam or Herro after the bubble. Many of us felt we had young superstars in the making and now we want to blow it up? Lets not overreact. The reality is that we are a playoff team, but back to a first or second round exit. We simply need a scorer. Either Herro becomes that or we have to ship out everyone not named Jimmy or Bam and land a Beal type player. I prefer to do it like the Suns. Lets get Lowry as its clear what a vet all star PG can do for a team and take that pressure off Jimmy and Bam to run point.

Were close, lets not overreact. Id rather see us compete every year in the playoffs and capture that Heat lightning in a bottle once in a while than blow it up.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Crowder in the last 6 games: 22/45 (49%) from 3 and +94 in 190 minutes oof

Not that we would've made the Finals again with him this season, but I feel safe saying our series vs MIL last season looks a lot different without his 15/6 on 66% TS and 4.4 made 3s on 43%

And I'm not even mad anymore at the FO for letting him go since they were pretty clear about their intent to go all-in on 2021 free agency. If Bam (and the agent he shares with Giannis) had simply let the team know they were going to demand the early extension then Miami is forced to shift gears and perhaps Crowder is still in a Heat uniform. Had that happened, our mini-rebuild path forward would be a lot easier right now with our PF in place for cheap. So instead of needing a scorer, PG and PF, we'd just need a scorer and PG lol

[contract]

i totally i agree with you and dom on this issue. unless you are injured or something you put your best effort to win games before the fans not that bs that they displayed on national tv for all to see. it was truly disgraceful, as a matter of fact they (FO to players and coaches) should have been embarrassed by the lack of effort, heart and basketball IQ that they showed on the floor.

but any true meaningful change should start with the firing of the head coach, dude cant adjust on the fly and its too stubborn and doesnt inspire the players to be the best of themselves.

riley did that, spobot needs an upgrade for that to happen. clean house,if not you are just treadmilling the team in to irrelevance

We know that Riley will most certainly never blow it up though. He is going to hold out hope that the squad can compete and that somehow he will be able to land a big fish.

I would blow it up. Not because I have some negative reaction to getting swept by a team, but because the magic we had with a healthy Dragic, a fired up Jimmy, and a bubble Jae was lightning in a bottle. I do believe we performed greatly last year, and we never came close to matching that fire this year. Blame it on whatever you want, but our team looked rough this year. We've had those lightning in a bottle moments before (superstar Dion and company). There is something special in what we do in Miami, but its not good enough to overcome lack of talent. You can't keep banking on G Leaguers to balance out a roster.

I've always been a believer in the draft process. A team that recognizes talent, which Miami certainly does, can benefit greatly from having high draft picks. Some FO's are going to draft bust after bust, because they like to gamble on traits that don't translate. I have faith in our FO to draft a guy who has the right kind of potential.

I don't think Butler is going to get a treasure trove of picks, but if we did trade him to a win now team like GSW, then you could take advantage of the right situation at the right time. Wiseman and their lottos could be had. That's not a special return, and GSW wins that trade because they certainly get the best player and it helps them immediately. Miami would have to hope Wiseman has a level head, and that they draft well at 7 and 14. Lots of variables there.

What it does do is put Bam and Herro into potential lead scorer roles which helps them develop. It also is almost guaranteed to put the Heat in the lottery next year. At that point you have Bam, Herro, Precious, KZ, Wiseman, picks 7 and 14 in 2021, and another lotto in 2022. You have a ton of cap space. That's how a team can go from being the 2020 Nets to the 2021 Nets.

That's how I'd try and attack it if I were the GM. Could fail miserably, or never materialize, but from my armchair it sounds pretty good.

Nunn and Robinson were G leaguers and both of them are about to get paid $15M or more a year. You can kiss Nunn goodbye! Spo never trusts him and he will get paid elsewhere. Not saying the Heat should, but lets be real, he is going to get paid by someone else. I think D Rob has a better chance of staying after crapping out in the playoffs this season.

Heat looked dead this year, they left it on the table in the bubble and overacheived. Same narrative we have had in years past, we sign all our players back and then they stink. Bam is another example of that. He got paid and now isnt living up to the contract.

I doubt anyone on this board wanted to trade Bam or Herro after the bubble. Many of us felt we had young superstars in the making and now we want to blow it up? Lets not overreact. The reality is that we are a playoff team, but back to a first or second round exit. We simply need a scorer. Either Herro becomes that or we have to ship out everyone not named Jimmy or Bam and land a Beal type player. I prefer to do it like the Suns. Lets get Lowry as its clear what a vet all star PG can do for a team and take that pressure off Jimmy and Bam to run point.

Were close, lets not overreact. Id rather see us compete every year in the playoffs and capture that Heat lightning in a bottle once in a while than blow it up.

We have a track record for developing guys that no one wants and getting them paid. Unfortunately, usually by us (Whiteside, TJ, Mion, JJ, DJ, UD). It's amazing that every undrafted player and every player who flops elsewhere doesn't beat down our door to get in for the minimum. We're like Wayne Huizenga. We turn garbage into millions.

Then it turns back to garbage.

[AirP.]

Here's something I thought was interesting about a team like Miami that needs scoring...

Games of 20 points/games played in the regular season

Robinson 13/72
Herro 13/54
Nunn 14/56

Why is Nunn just being "let go" by so many people, he's one of the few players on this roster that can actually find and create his own shots while Robinson who is "efficient" can not create his own shot and has a hard time find his own shot even when plays are ran for him.

It's my opinion that Oladipo at 80% would be a much better player then Robinson at 100%.

I believe Lowry, Oladipo(if the medical staff expects a good recovery), Butler, Bam and a real center(rim protector/rebounder) with Nunn as the 6th man is a contender, maybe not the strongest contender but a team with a legit chance to win a championship. That team has the ability to be the top defensive team in the league.

[Vertical Limit]

I dont want to bring the board down but having watched almost every game in the playoffs so far… we are so far away from winning a title… just speaking the truth…

When you see what Trae Young is doing, Luka, Kawhi, Donovan, Jokic, Embiid, Durant, Harden… ja Morant… i just named a bunch of players that each are better than any two top players in our roster, combined. I would trade Bam and Butler for any one of those players and some of those GM’s would laugh and hang up the phone.

Thats why im calling for us to blow it up before its too late… dont wait until Jimmy gets old… and then you have Bam and a bunch or scrubs… wasting his career away like we did to Wade from 07-09. (His best years after the olympics). if theres a superstar to be had, give up everyone and pair that superstar with Bam

Players have to step up. Nobody here can watch the Bucks series and tell me that was the absolute best Bam could play, that it was the best Jimmy or Herro can play. So we can sit here and whine about the front office all day but players still have to show up. Regarding trading Jimmy, I think a lot of you overestimate what he'd fetch on the trade market. I've mentioned this before but his reputation around the league precedes him, you're not getting a "superstar" for him. The best we'd get is a McCollum or maybe a Paul George, which puts us roughly in the same position. The guy I've brought up and think we should check in on is DeAaron Fox.

Bam has the defense on point… he is a long way from being the offensive player he needs to be. Reminds me of Dwight Howard prime.. great defensive player, limited offensive player.. and we need him to be closer to Anthony Davis than Dwight.

[Kobewade11]

Here's something I thought was interesting about a team like Miami that needs scoring...

Games of 20 points/games played in the regular season

Robinson 13/72
Herro 13/54
Nunn 14/56

Why is Nunn just being "let go" by so many people, he's one of the few players on this roster that can actually find and create his own shots while Robinson who is "efficient" can not create his own shot and has a hard time find his own shot even when plays are ran for him.

It's my opinion that Oladipo at 80% would be a much better player then Robinson at 100%.

I believe Lowry, Oladipo(if the medical staff expects a good recovery), Butler, Bam and a real center(rim protector/rebounder) with Nunn as the 6th man is a contender, maybe not the strongest contender but a team with a legit chance to win a championship. That team has the ability to be the top defensive team in the league.

Does Nunn want to come off the bench or would he prefer starting on another team?

[AirP.]

Here's something I thought was interesting about a team like Miami that needs scoring...

Games of 20 points/games played in the regular season

Robinson 13/72
Herro 13/54
Nunn 14/56

Why is Nunn just being "let go" by so many people, he's one of the few players on this roster that can actually find and create his own shots while Robinson who is "efficient" can not create his own shot and has a hard time find his own shot even when plays are ran for him.

It's my opinion that Oladipo at 80% would be a much better player then Robinson at 100%.

I believe Lowry, Oladipo(if the medical staff expects a good recovery), Butler, Bam and a real center(rim protector/rebounder) with Nunn as the 6th man is a contender, maybe not the strongest contender but a team with a legit chance to win a championship. That team has the ability to be the top defensive team in the league.

Does Nunn want to come off the bench or would he prefer starting on another team?

I'm not sure. I would expect he'd need a competitive contract compared to what he'd get as a starter, the assurance of a role and X amount of minutes a game, a possible path to being a starter and of course, a player option.

Now if Miami decides Oladipo is too much of a risk, I'd consider signing and starting Nunn with a PG like Lowry with Butler at SF.

[gom]

Crowder in the last 6 games: 22/45 (49%) from 3 and +94 in 190 minutes oof

Not that we would've made the Finals again with him this season, but I feel safe saying our series vs MIL last season looks a lot different without his 15/6 on 66% TS and 4.4 made 3s on 43%

And I'm not even mad anymore at the FO for letting him go since they were pretty clear about their intent to go all-in on 2021 free agency. If Bam (and the agent he shares with Giannis) had simply let the team know they were going to demand the early extension then Miami is forced to shift gears and perhaps Crowder is still in a Heat uniform. Had that happened, our mini-rebuild path forward would be a lot easier right now with our PF in place for cheap. So instead of needing a scorer, PG and PF, we'd just need a scorer and PG lol

Some of the shots Chris Paul gives him border on unfair. Last night he got the ball twenty feet away from anyone. My 93 year-old mom makes that shot.

[_GH0ST_]

Guys, do you think Okpala will develop? I want to hope that.

[Flash4thewin]

Crowder in the last 6 games: 22/45 (49%) from 3 and +94 in 190 minutes oof

Not that we would've made the Finals again with him this season, but I feel safe saying our series vs MIL last season looks a lot different without his 15/6 on 66% TS and 4.4 made 3s on 43%

And I'm not even mad anymore at the FO for letting him go since they were pretty clear about their intent to go all-in on 2021 free agency. If Bam (and the agent he shares with Giannis) had simply let the team know they were going to demand the early extension then Miami is forced to shift gears and perhaps Crowder is still in a Heat uniform. Had that happened, our mini-rebuild path forward would be a lot easier right now with our PF in place for cheap. So instead of needing a scorer, PG and PF, we'd just need a scorer and PG lol

If our front office needed Bam to say that then calling them incompetent idiots would be a complement. Sometimes it’s ok to call a spade a spade. What’s next, “if only Duncan would have told the FO he will take the best offer day one” ? I think it’s very fair to say people are not happy with this team or the front office.

[twix2500]

Crowder in the last 6 games: 22/45 (49%) from 3 and +94 in 190 minutes oof

Not that we would've made the Finals again with him this season, but I feel safe saying our series vs MIL last season looks a lot different without his 15/6 on 66% TS and 4.4 made 3s on 43%

And I'm not even mad anymore at the FO for letting him go since they were pretty clear about their intent to go all-in on 2021 free agency. If Bam (and the agent he shares with Giannis) had simply let the team know they were going to demand the early extension then Miami is forced to shift gears and perhaps Crowder is still in a Heat uniform. Had that happened, our mini-rebuild path forward would be a lot easier right now with our PF in place for cheap. So instead of needing a scorer, PG and PF, we'd just need a scorer and PG lol

That series had nothing to do with the 4 position. It was Bam not shooting. When your stars are not being productive offensively it is easy to defend the role players.

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[twix2500]

Guys, do you think Okpala will develop? I want to hope that.

He will if he can get into summer league and get experience. He only had one gleague since entering the league. His growth has been halted. He was and is a project that hasn't been worked on.

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[Kobewade11]

I'm not sure. I would expect he'd need a competitive contract compared to what he'd get as a starter, the assurance of a role and X amount of minutes a game, a possible path to being a starter and of course, a player option.

Now if Miami decides Oladipo is too much of a risk, I'd consider signing and starting Nunn with a PG like Lowry with Butler at SF.

A backcourt with two guys 6’0 and 6’2 isnt a winning formula in the nba.

[Beenie]

Why is Nunn just being "let go" by so many people, he's one of the few players on this roster that can actually find and create his own shots

Because PG is the deepest position in basketball.

I like Nunn, but mid tier scoring PG's are a dime a dozen.