Stratmaster wrote:dougthonus wrote:Stratmaster wrote:Holes in Pippen's game?
First time I have ever heard anyone, anywhere use that phrase.
I guess he could have been a better 3 point shooter, but it was an era where the best 3 point shooters were role players.
What holes are you referring to? He ran point for the best teams of all time. He was likely the best defensive wing if all time. He rebounded. He could attack the rim, score in the post...
What holes would have been exposed?
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Inability to consistently create efficient offense for himself as a #1 option or come through in the clutch. I don't think Pippen could have been a #1 option on a great team, but he is remembered talentwise on the same level of players who could have done that.
Where did you hear or see these things? Inability to create consistent offense? What do you mean by that?
He was the number 1 option on a contending team, so that is already proven. Besides, is that your criteria for a player who didn't have holes in their game? There are and were all kinds of number one options who had big holes in their game.
Not a superstar? He rebounded like a power forward. He ran the offense like a PG. Best wing defender ever. Consensus top 50 player of all time.
I am beginning to see where you get the Lavine and Vuc takes from. I guess if you aren't a generational player you aren't a superstar?
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Maybe I'm overgeneralizing, but it seems as if an overwhelming majority of posters here don't respect or appreciate any part of basketball outside of efficient offense.
In my damn near 6 decades on this planet, I'm not sure I've ever seen a player who could defend most positions AND rebound AND be a playmaker at the level Scottie did all 3 things. I'd say LeBron does - and just like Pip, he couldn't win a title without an all-time great scorer next to him. I think it's safe to say that without Wade and Kyrie and AD, LeBron would have zero rings right now.
Here's a little tidbit from UPI about Game 2 of the 1991 Finals - the win that started the dynasty, because we had lost Game 1 of that series at home.
Pippen's defense shadows Magic, LakersINGLEWOOD, Calif. -- Contrary to some reports, when Magic Johnson removed his jersey after Game 2 of the NBA Finals, he did not find Scottie Pippen underneath.
Pippen, though, did blanket Johnson during the Chicago Bulls' 107-86 rout of the Lakers Wednesday night. And he'd like to remain up close and personal with the Los Angeles star when the best-of-seven series, tied at one game apiece, resumes Friday night at the Forum.
Early in Game 2, Chicago Coach Phil Jackson took Michael Jordan off Johnson and replaced him with Pippen. The long-armed 6-foot-7 forward hounded the Lakers' playmaker from baseline to baseline, and Johnson finished with just 14 points on 4 of 13 shooting.
'I wanted to guard Magic,' Pippen said. 'I knew it might take something out of my offense, but I had to try. I got out there and felt very good about guarding him.'
Johnson, forced to work each time he brought the ball upcourt, played 43 minutes and looked weary. In his last eight games, he has played fewer than 43 minutes just once.
'When somebody's aggressive like that, guarding you, you know you're going to get tired,' Johnson said.
Added Los Angeles assistant Randy Pfund: '
That's where (the rout) started. Scottie picked up the pace and that engerized them. He picked up the whole team.'