Draft Thread Part 4

[mademan]

Ya not a fan of Keon Johnson. At 7, i'd take all of Mitchell, Barnes, Moody, Bouknight, Wagner and Moody over him. I dont even think he really has basketball functional athleticism

[gojoorange]

I have Wagner before Giddey, particularly if Wagner can defend some SG.
Although Wagner may not have the same feel and creativity of Giddey, but Wagner should able to become a secondary ball handler with better defense.

Wagner projects to be a better shooter than Giddey too, which I imagine would fit their role more with the Raps. Giddey is likely a secondary playmaker for at least his first couple years in the league too. Wagner seems the better prospect to me because of the defense and shooting.

There's a lot to not like about Giddy, but the dude is a special passer. He wouldnt be my first pick (or 2nd, or 3rd....maybe 4th?), but i see the appeal. He's big and has great BBIQ; defense should come along and he has a pretty good shooting form, no reason he cant be a very good shooter.

Agreed, the vision is special. He still needs to tighten his handle and develop his shot but at only 18 there's a lot to like. He doesn't have the defensive instincts or wingspan like Wagner but there is still potential. I would imagine they are both in that next tier of prospects outside the top 5.

[Raptorfan2012]

Wagner projects to be a better shooter than Giddey too, which I imagine would fit their role more with the Raps. Giddey is likely a secondary playmaker for at least his first couple years in the league too. Wagner seems the better prospect to me because of the defense and shooting.

There's a lot to not like about Giddy, but the dude is a special passer. He wouldnt be my first pick (or 2nd, or 3rd....maybe 4th?), but i see the appeal. He's big and has great BBIQ; defense should come along and he has a pretty good shooting form, no reason he cant be a very good shooter.

Agreed, the vision is special. He still needs to tighten his handle and develop his shot but at only 18 there's a lot to like. He doesn't have the defensive instincts or wingspan like Wagner but there is still potential. I would imagine they are both in that next tier of prospects outside the top 5.

If we are going with a passing point forward, I rather just go with Barnes. The way he moves with the ball in transition is quite Lebron like; just a big force.

[Federalies]

If we stay at our spot....it has to be Davion Mitchell.

He has a little bit of everything. Scoring/Shooting/Size/Ball Handling/Defense/Swagger/IQ

I think its a no brainer

While I see your point I’m just not convinced with the rational. I’m not sure that our “plan” is to pay FVV $20 mil per and GTJ $15+ mil per all at the 2 spot just so we can “purposefully” snag Davion at 7-8. That just doesn’t seem like good asset management. That’s not to say we won’t pick Cade if we get #1 or Suggs if we get #4 and Green and Mobley are off the board because those guys either have generational or all-star upside but that’s totally different than targeting Mitchell at our current pick.

My uneducated guess is we target a high upside potential creator like Keon/Boucknight or a switchable wing/forward with length and two-way potential like Moody, Barnes, Jalen Johnson, Wagner, Giddey.

This isn’t to say I don’t think Mitchell isn’t/won’t be a good player but his skill set seems redundant on a team like ours with bigger holes to fill than PG. Just my point of view of course!

[gojoorange]

There's a lot to not like about Giddy, but the dude is a special passer. He wouldnt be my first pick (or 2nd, or 3rd....maybe 4th?), but i see the appeal. He's big and has great BBIQ; defense should come along and he has a pretty good shooting form, no reason he cant be a very good shooter.

Agreed, the vision is special. He still needs to tighten his handle and develop his shot but at only 18 there's a lot to like. He doesn't have the defensive instincts or wingspan like Wagner but there is still potential. I would imagine they are both in that next tier of prospects outside the top 5.

If we are going with a passing point forward, I rather just go with Barnes. The way he moves with the ball in transition is quite Lebron like; just a big force.

I think if we end up 7th or 8th Barnes will already be off the board.

[Dalek]

Toronto has a real development opportunity while Pascal is out. It is not a huge change but if you have a guy like Kai Jones or Alperen Sengun or Usman Garuba come in looking good they might be given more time to be experimented with.

Is Sengun a true offensive hub? Without P he can play more in the high post or elbow offense and show his passing and scoring touch.

Can Kai be that rim running big with some creation opportunities?

Can Garuba play out of the short roll?

I like Kai the most out of the bunch because he is so skilled and the best athlete but not given a good opportunity at Texas. This opening might allow him to play a lot of PF and demo his skill through camp and play with starters more.

Basically anyone of these guys has just been given more time to play with our best players and experiment with what they can do. I think we have to go big at this point. The talent is there and now the opening too.

[hyper316]

Toronto has a real development opportunity while Pascal is out. It is not a huge change but if you have a guy like Kai Jones or Alperen Sengun or Usman Garuba come in looking good they might be given more time to be experimented with.

Is Sengun a true offensive hub? Without P he can play more in the high post or elbow offense and show his passing and scoring touch.

Can Kai be that rim running big with some creation opportunities?

Can Garuba play out of the short roll?

I like Kai the most out of the bunch because he is so skilled and the best athlete but not given a good opportunity at Texas. This opening might allow him to play a lot of PF and demo his skill through camp and play with starters more.

Basically anyone of these guys has just been given more time to play with our best players and experiment with what they can do. I think we have to go big at this point. The talent is there and now the opening too.

Or slide OG to PF and draft a wing

GTJ/Harris/Draft pick

[PhilBlackson]

Toronto has a real development opportunity while Pascal is out. It is not a huge change but if you have a guy like Kai Jones or Alperen Sengun or Usman Garuba come in looking good they might be given more time to be experimented with.

Is Sengun a true offensive hub? Without P he can play more in the high post or elbow offense and show his passing and scoring touch.

Can Kai be that rim running big with some creation opportunities?

Can Garuba play out of the short roll?

I like Kai the most out of the bunch because he is so skilled and the best athlete but not given a good opportunity at Texas. This opening might allow him to play a lot of PF and demo his skill through camp and play with starters more.

Basically anyone of these guys has just been given more time to play with our best players and experiment with what they can do. I think we have to go big at this point. The talent is there and now the opening too.

If our management considers any of em BPA then so be it but I wouldn't make the pick based on Pascal being out and if anything the easiest and most natural fit would be Scottie Barnes who pretty much has the same style of play and odd you didn't put on that list.

[WuTang_CMB]

If we stay where we ware, it feels like Giddey's the pick. Masai's been looking for a big playmaker for years (from Ntilikina to SGA to Lamelo) and now he's got his chance. And Raps have pretty overtly scouted him heavily. Hope it doesnt turn the way it did last time Masai got FOMO after failing to get Giannis (the Bruno experiment)

Dont be fooled. Stay far away. Not even in the same class as Shai or lamelo and different players to boot.
Giddey lacks defense and will get blown by on every possession in the NBA. He cant shoot either.

[gojoorange]

Toronto has a real development opportunity while Pascal is out. It is not a huge change but if you have a guy like Kai Jones or Alperen Sengun or Usman Garuba come in looking good they might be given more time to be experimented with.

Is Sengun a true offensive hub? Without P he can play more in the high post or elbow offense and show his passing and scoring touch.

Can Kai be that rim running big with some creation opportunities?

Can Garuba play out of the short roll?

I like Kai the most out of the bunch because he is so skilled and the best athlete but not given a good opportunity at Texas. This opening might allow him to play a lot of PF and demo his skill through camp and play with starters more.

Basically anyone of these guys has just been given more time to play with our best players and experiment with what they can do. I think we have to go big at this point. The talent is there and now the opening too.

If our management considers any of em BPA then so be it but I wouldn't make the pick based on Pascal being out and if anything the easiest and most natural fit would be Scottie Barnes who pretty much has the same style of play and odd you didn't put on that list.

Scottie can't get buckets like that though. He will need a lot of development before he's a scorer.

[omar36]

just 10 more days till we find our spot. personally not gunna focus on prospects till we for sure know where we land. if only silver could bless us....

[ATLTimekeeper]

So there hasn't been a single RSCI year where more than 3 players in the top 10 made at least one all-star game. This goes back to 1998.

4 years have produced 3 all-stars.
8 have produced 2.
7 have produced 1.
1 produced 0

Not included is 2017, which could produce 3 (MPJ, Sexton, Ayton). And then 2019 doesn't look great at the moment (Wiseman, Stewart, Anthony, Edwards, Carey, Manion, Jaden McDaniels, RJ Hampton, Scottie Lewis, Maxey).

ESPN is hyping this draft up like there 5 #1 picks, and we know that Cunningham (1), Green (2), Mobley (3), Barnes (5) and Suggs (7) are likely locks to go lotto.

[gojoorange]

So there hasn't been a single RSCI year where more than 3 players in the top 10 made at least one all-star game. This goes back to 1998.

4 years have produced 3 all-stars.
8 have produced 2.
7 have produced 1.
1 produced 0

Not included is 2017, which could produce 3 (MPJ, Sexton, Ayton). And then 2019 doesn't look great at the moment (Wiseman, Stewart, Anthony, Edwards, Carey, Manion, Jaden McDaniels, RJ Hampton, Scottie Lewis, Maxey).

ESPN is hyping this draft up like there 5 #1 picks, and we know that Cunningham (1), Green (2), Mobley (3), Barnes (5) and Suggs (7) are likely locks to go lotto.

Quentin Grimes and Charles Bassey are coming out this year and were top 10 back in 2018 also. They both seem like potential late steals not lottery picks though.

[Indeed]

If we stay at our spot....it has to be Davion Mitchell.

He has a little bit of everything. Scoring/Shooting/Size/Ball Handling/Defense/Swagger/IQ

I think its a no brainer

While I see your point I’m just not convinced with the rational. I’m not sure that our “plan” is to pay FVV $20 mil per and GTJ $15+ mil per all at the 2 spot just so we can “purposefully” snag Davion at 7-8. That just doesn’t seem like good asset management. That’s not to say we won’t pick Cade if we get #1 or Suggs if we get #4 and Green and Mobley are off the board because those guys either have generational or all-star upside but that’s totally different than targeting Mitchell at our current pick.

My uneducated guess is we target a high upside potential creator like Keon/Boucknight or a switchable wing/forward with length and two-way potential like Moody, Barnes, Jalen Johnson, Wagner, Giddey.

This isn’t to say I don’t think Mitchell isn’t/won’t be a good player but his skill set seems redundant on a team like ours with bigger holes to fill than PG. Just my point of view of course!

High upside would be Kai Jones. Keon and Bouknight are close, but unlikely to reach the ceiling of Kai Jones if Jones developed everything. Already showed flashes of 3 point shooting and ball handling. My concern is his hand size on catching the ball.

[gojoorange]

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[Reeko]

Ya not a fan of Keon Johnson. At 7, i'd take all of Mitchell, Barnes, Moody, Bouknight, Wagner and Moody over him. I dont even think he really has basketball functional athleticism

He uses his athleticism to be one of the best perimeter defenders in the draft, he also uses it to be one of the best slashers in the draft. How is it not basketball functional? He isn't just some run and jump athlete, with zero skills.

[Psubs]

Is EJ Onu a taller Richaun Holmes that may be able to shoot 3's at least average?

6'11, 7-8 wingspan and some great athleticism...no way he slips into the late second IMO. Not sure if I buy his shooting % from 3, however, the shot looks better than most big men. I could see him developing into a solid 30% shooter.

https://celticswire.usatoday.com/2021/06/08/celtics-reportedly-working-out-ej-onu-potential-sleeper-stretch-big-man/

Lucky we are in the middle of the 2nd. Never heard of him so he could go undrafted/pull out like what's his face from Cameroon.

Amar Sylla

[DG88]

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[WuTang_CMB]

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I really hope this happens.

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