MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

[DayofMourning]

Will be interesting to see how the Oladipo situation plays out. His injury situation actually helps us financially as he shouldn't be able to command a good contract, especially as other teams might view him as being keen on returning to the Heat regardless. We should be able to getnhim cheap, which is definitely what we need with Bams extension earing up a big chunk of what we had available this offseason. Fingers crossed that he gets healthy and goes on a MIP tour.

[AirP.]

I'm not sure. I would expect he'd need a competitive contract compared to what he'd get as a starter, the assurance of a role and X amount of minutes a game, a possible path to being a starter and of course, a player option.

Now if Miami decides Oladipo is too much of a risk, I'd consider signing and starting Nunn with a PG like Lowry with Butler at SF.

A backcourt with two guys 6’0 and 6’2 isnt a winning formula in the nba.

Sure, that's why I'd only consider doing that, if it didn't work(which we expect) move him to 6th man(you'd have to tell him and his agent that you'd only try to make it work). I just don't want to loose a good player that's still getting better.

[AirP.]

Why is Nunn just being "let go" by so many people, he's one of the few players on this roster that can actually find and create his own shots

Because PG is the deepest position in basketball.

I like Nunn, but mid tier scoring PG's are a dime a dozen.

Then Miami should have acquired one already but instead they paid nearly 20 mil for Dragic.

[contract]

Guys, do you think Okpala will develop? I want to hope that.

No ... but I've been wrong before. Like a lot. Like maybe most of the time. I'm actually rarely right about anything. I really don't know what the hell I'm talking about.

Honestly I don't even see the defensive prowess that they try to label him with. It seems like every time we have a prospect who isn't very good, we try to talk up their defense. But that's just my opinion ... so maybe he'll develop into Scottie Pippen.

[contract]

I dont want to bring the board down but having watched almost every game in the playoffs so far… we are so far away from winning a title… just speaking the truth…

When you see what Trae Young is doing, Luka, Kawhi, Donovan, Jokic, Embiid, Durant, Harden… ja Morant… i just named a bunch of players that each are better than any two top players in our roster, combined. I would trade Bam and Butler for any one of those players and some of those GM’s would laugh and hang up the phone.

Thats why im calling for us to blow it up before its too late… dont wait until Jimmy gets old… and then you have Bam and a bunch or scrubs… wasting his career away like we did to Wade from 07-09. (His best years after the olympics). if theres a superstar to be had, give up everyone and pair that superstar with Bam

Players have to step up. Nobody here can watch the Bucks series and tell me that was the absolute best Bam could play, that it was the best Jimmy or Herro can play. So we can sit here and whine about the front office all day but players still have to show up. Regarding trading Jimmy, I think a lot of you overestimate what he'd fetch on the trade market. I've mentioned this before but his reputation around the league precedes him, you're not getting a "superstar" for him. The best we'd get is a McCollum or maybe a Paul George, which puts us roughly in the same position. The guy I've brought up and think we should check in on is DeAaron Fox.

Bam has the defense on point… he is a long way from being the offensive player he needs to be. Reminds me of Dwight Howard prime.. great defensive player, limited offensive player.. and we need him to be closer to Anthony Davis than Dwight.

He is not on Dwight's level as a defensive presence. Dwight was pretty dominant.

[contract]

Why is Nunn just being "let go" by so many people, he's one of the few players on this roster that can actually find and create his own shots

Because PG is the deepest position in basketball.

I like Nunn, but mid tier scoring PG's are a dime a dozen.

Then Miami should have acquired one already but instead they paid nearly 20 mil for Dragic.

Even as a 35 year old Dragic is a better player than Nunn is. He's not worth the $18 million we paid him, but going from Dragic to Nunn is a downgrade.

[Beenie]

Why is Nunn just being "let go" by so many people, he's one of the few players on this roster that can actually find and create his own shots

Because PG is the deepest position in basketball.

I like Nunn, but mid tier scoring PG's are a dime a dozen.

Then Miami should have acquired one already but instead they paid nearly 20 mil for Dragic.

I've been advocating trading Dragic for years and seeking out a better option.

[AirP.]

Because PG is the deepest position in basketball.

I like Nunn, but mid tier scoring PG's are a dime a dozen.

Then Miami should have acquired one already but instead they paid nearly 20 mil for Dragic.

Even as a 35 year old Dragic is a better player than Nunn is. He's not worth the $18 million we paid him, but going from Dragic to Nunn is a downgrade.

That's your opinion. I see a 35 year old Dragic continuing to get worse overall while 26 year old Nunn continuing to get better overall, basically they're trending opposite directions because of where they are in their careers. When I do my simple ORTG-DRTG, Nunn was -2 which is up from -9 his rookie year but Dragic has dropped to -10 from -3 last year.

I don't think we've seen the best of Nunn yet while I expect Dragic to continue to drop off as he gets further into his 30s.

I don't think from this point moving forward Nunn is a downgrade from Dragic and that's all that really matters moving forward.

[AirP.]

Because PG is the deepest position in basketball.

I like Nunn, but mid tier scoring PG's are a dime a dozen.

Then Miami should have acquired one already but instead they paid nearly 20 mil for Dragic.

I've been advocating trading Dragic for years and seeking out a better option.

Miami did try to move him in the Butler trade but that fell through, the whole 2021 plan made it where they basically needed to resign him for a very short contract.

[twix2500]

I am still intrigue by Norman Powell as a lead scorer for the Heat. I am sure its not gonna happen.

[DayofMourning]

Need to do that Golden State trade (Wiseman and picks for Butler) I've been telling you boys about. Mm hmm.

[3ballbomber]

Guys, do you think Okpala will develop? I want to hope that.

No ... but I've been wrong before. Like a lot. Like maybe most of the time. I'm actually rarely right about anything. I really don't know what the hell I'm talking about.

Honestly I don't even see the defensive prowess that they try to label him with. It seems like every time we have a prospect who isn't very good, we try to talk up their defense. But that's just my opinion ... so maybe he'll develop into Scottie Pippen.

need to chuck KZ in the basura & close that sh*t. What a waste of time he's been.

[Beenie]

Guys, do you think Okpala will develop? I want to hope that.

No ... but I've been wrong before. Like a lot. Like maybe most of the time. I'm actually rarely right about anything. I really don't know what the hell I'm talking about.

Honestly I don't even see the defensive prowess that they try to label him with. It seems like every time we have a prospect who isn't very good, we try to talk up their defense. But that's just my opinion ... so maybe he'll develop into Scottie Pippen.

need to chuck KZ in the basura & close that sh*t. What a waste of time he's been.

He's been a disappointment, no doubt.

That said, unless he's used as a trade sweetener to execute a favorable trade, I'm not in favor of pulling the plug on KZ just yet.

He still very young and needs reps. I think after a full offseason/ summer league and then subsequent normal 82-game regular season including G-league reps, we'll have a better idea if he can develop into a reliable rotational contributor.

[wadenation305]

If we can't get anything big give me Malcom Brogdon and Chris Boucher

[3ballbomber]

Spoiler:

No ... but I've been wrong before. Like a lot. Like maybe most of the time. I'm actually rarely right about anything. I really don't know what the hell I'm talking about.

Honestly I don't even see the defensive prowess that they try to label him with. It seems like every time we have a prospect who isn't very good, we try to talk up their defense. But that's just my opinion ... so maybe he'll develop into Scottie Pippen.

need to chuck KZ in the basura & close that sh*t. What a waste of time he's been.

He's been a disappointment, no doubt.

That said, unless he's used as a trade sweetener to execute a favorable trade, I'm not in favor of pulling the plug on KZ just yet.

He still very young and needs reps. I think after a full offseason/ summer league and then subsequent normal 82-game regular season including G-league reps, we'll have a better idea if he can develop into a reliable rotational contributor.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I don’t mind signing Ariza to come off the bench as the backup SF. He’ll be cheap and someone we can sign using bird rights. We are going to need some cheap depth.

[puppa bear]

Need to do that Golden State trade (Wiseman and picks for Butler) I've been telling you boys about. Mm hmm.

If they get 1 AND 4, they’ll be hunting a bigger whale than Jimmy with 1/4/Wiseman. We might be able to get that deal pre-lotto, but once those balls drop they’ll go after Dame or a true All-NBA level player.

Having said that, since we keep next years pick if it’s a lotto pick, going all-in on the quick rebuild and stocking up cap space for after next year to add to Cade/Herro/Green/Bam/Wiseman/2022 lotto would be a super quick and impressive rebuild!

[RexBoyWonder]

There's nothing more valuable in this league then a young star you drafted. We need to act like it.

Top 5-10 player, unless you mean sentimental value

You're better off having a top 30 player on a rookie deal then a gun for hire in his 30's making the supermax.

Age - long term planning
more Cap space to build around
better Health
Loyalty factor with a guy you developed
Fan base connection.

Give me Rookie Mitchell over max out Kawhi/CP3/Harden

[twix2500]

There's nothing more valuable in this league then a young star you drafted. We need to act like it.

Top 5-10 player, unless you mean sentimental value

You're better off having a top 30 player on a rookie deal then a gun for hire in his 30's making the supermax.

Age - long term planning
more Cap space to build around
better Health
Loyalty factor with a guy you developed
Fan base connection.

Give me Rookie Mitchell over max out Kawhi/CP3/Harden

You are determined to find a player on their rookie contract lead a team to a title.

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[RexBoyWonder]

Top 5-10 player, unless you mean sentimental value

You're better off having a top 30 player on a rookie deal then a gun for hire in his 30's making the supermax.

Age - long term planning
more Cap space to build around
better Health
Loyalty factor with a guy you developed
Fan base connection.

Give me Rookie Mitchell over max out Kawhi/CP3/Harden

You are determined to find a player on their rookie contract lead a team to a title.

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I do seem to remember a guy..what was is name...was a dynamic guard out of Marquettet..early 2000's....

Also just watch the Jazz this year.

Besides he doesn't have to be your #1 guy, guys on their rookie deals give you a ton of flexibility to add another max guy next to them, probably a more experienced player.