Who will the Knicks Target? Here's a List of REALISTIC Players

[HarthorneWingo]

If a team is interested in Randle, you trade him without second guessing.
Bundle in Knox as well.

But, for what? You left out that part of the equation

[Oscirus]

Yea nesmith is the most valuable piece in that deal and hes not worth all that

[HarthorneWingo]

There's nothing there really:

Westbrook
Hield
RJ
Randle
Noel

Sexton
RJ
Bullock
Randle
Turner

Sexton
RJ
Grant
Randle
Noel

Well, to me it is already a hopeless situation. We should have tanked. I don't see us turn into a contender in any way. Instead we've already entered treadmill decade number 3. Maybe we should trade Randle for a young up and coming player and picks. Randle for Wiseman and the Minnesota pick is only one example. Randle for Jaylen Brown. But apart from that I see no way to go.

RJ for Dame would turn us into a bigtime contender. Portland isn't doing that though. If they do, there's a lot to get out of the situation. Nurkic, Powell, Melo, Covington... with this on mind, Portland may instead be interested in acquiring Randle. If the return was legit, maybe in a three team deal with many picks involved, they could have:

Dame
Powell
Covington
Randle
Nurkic

CJ to a third team that wants to take the leap (say GSW/NOP/Mem/Chi/Min), while we cash in on major picks and youth.

Tanking was never in the cards, especially once we signed Thibs.

[NoLayupRule]

wall could be a fascinating addition

if hes healthy hes a monster
and if hes under reasonable contract


I do think we are going to add a pg leader who can be depended on to create for himself and others

Wall, Lowry, Schrooder, Ball
One of these guys will be here


I also think we will be talking to Butler and Kawhai
not sure if we can get them but Kawhai might bounce after this years pathetic showing

john wall hasn't been able to stay healthy in 4 years and has a terrible contract. the only reasonable guy there is probably lowry but i'm guessing he'd want more years than he'd be worth. disastrous pg crop this year

all true

terrible contract, bad health
but also only 2 years remaining and he strikes me as a player whos suddenly healthy in his contract year

[newyorker4ever]

What would you guys think of some version of this:
Porzingis and a re-signed Frank to Boston
Knox to Dallas
Walker, Pritchard, Nesmith and the Boston 1st to NY

Dallas gets free agency space to build around Luka
Boston exchanges Walker for a still productive Porzingis - who fits a need there
NY gets 2 young players and a 1st rounder for taking on 2 years of Walker's contract.

NY would need a follow up trade as we don't want all young players and draft picks, but it gives us the capital to move around (for instance we could then trade one of Boston's players, one of our first rounders and the #32 pick for Grant from Detroit, and still have 2 1st round picks and a starting PG

Walker/Rose/Luka (Argentina)
RJ/IQ/Nesmith/Bullock
Grant/RJ/Bullock
Randle/Toppin/Grant
Mitch/Paelle/Gibson

And that is before considering the 2 1st rounders - at least 1 of which we'd likely use on the best PG available.

I'd rather trade for Jaylen Brown.

https://dailyknicks.com/2021/06/12/three-reasons-why-the-new-york-knicks-should-trade-for-jaylen-brown/

The New York Knicks 2020-2021 NBA season has been over for four days, which means we are officially in the offseason. Also, it is time to talk about free agency and trades, more specifically, trading for Boston Celtics all-star wing Jaylen Brown.

The New York Knicks should trade for Jaylen Brown
There are a lot of guys the Knicks can target via trade this offseason, one being Damian Lillard. My fellow DailyKnicks writer Bradley Dressler speculates with two ideas on how to land Lillard.

Brown should be the Knicks’ number one target by all means though, and it appears that acquiring him might not be impossible. Former ESPN insider Jeff Goodman was also told by an anonymous NBA player that the Celtics cannot win with a core of Jayson Tatum and Brown, as they do not make their teammates better.

That player was completely correct about Tatum and Brown’s fit, it just is not very good. This is not knocking either player, they’re two young All-Stars who both have tremendous scoring and defensive abilities, but they play very similarly.

Watching Brown and Tatum share the floor is a weird fit, the two look like they switch off who gets to be the main option, and then the other will have a fairly quiet night by their standards.

This will not work in the era of great NBA duos and the trios of the Brooklyn Nets and Milwaukee Bucks. Star players need to complement each other’s games and Tatum and Brown do not do that at all.

The Knicks must pounce on this. Jaylen Brown is incredibly perfect for this Knicks roster. The main issue is his cost, and Boston will prefer talent in return for Brown over the plethora of draft capital the Knicks hold.

This would probably have to be a three-team trade. If Damian Lillard were to be traded, Boston could become a potential suitor and the Knicks might be able to give a lot of picks to the Portland Trail Blazers in exchange for Brown, as Portland would only have 3 guaranteed years of Jaylen Brown before he hits free agency.

This puts the Knicks in a prime position to be the third team here and give Portland a ton of assets to start their rebuild.

It is worth giving a lot for Jaylen Brown, and here is why.

[TBri1974]

I love Jaylen Brown, he's one of the few players in the league I would go all in on (picks, youth, etc.). I don't think we have what they would want. I don't even think Lilard is what they want. They would want a good fit next to Tatum, which means a talented big. Maybe, just maybe, they would accept Randle and RJ for Brown, but I doubt it (I would do that trade) and that would leave us very thin.

[snadler]

It’s funny people questioning what Knicks can get for Randle…the answer is not very much, and it’s for the reason most ignore when mentioning him..his contract status..he has 1 year left on a team friendly deal, so any team that’s trading for him would either would just sign him as a free agent. They aren’t giving anything of value…

[cgf]

If a team is interested in Randle, you trade him without second guessing.
Bundle in Knox as well.

But, for what? You left out that part of the equation

Exactly. If we could get that Twolves pick, #14 and a swap that sent mitch to GSW (with Julius & #21/32), Wiseman to a third team, and prospect we liked more (like Patrick Williams) to us; this would be a very different discussion.

[cgf]

I love Jaylen Brown, he's one of the few players in the league I would go all in on (picks, youth, etc.). I don't think we have what they would want. I don't even think Lilard is what they want. They would want a good fit next to Tatum, which means a talented big. Maybe, just maybe, they would accept Randle and RJ for Brown, but I doubt it (I would do that trade) and that would leave us very thin.

I wouldn't. If you're moving Randle for anything other than a better star, you're looking to rebuild around a younger core. In which case I'd keep RJ & see if he can't grow into our own Brown / Butler / Middleton; while taking the assets we got for Randle & adding them to our young core.

Unless it's a guy who can be the #1 option on a title winner, I'm not giving up the farm...or most of it...just to bring him to an empty team.

[Chanel Bomber]

If a team is interested in Randle, you trade him without second guessing.
Bundle in Knox as well.

But, for what? You left out that part of the equation

Exactly.

The Warriors could have two lottery picks in this year's draft. I don't know that they can afford to develop two rookies next season with Klay coming back.

They seem like logical trade partners, I think there can be a deal to be made there, should the Knicks actually decide to sell high (from their perspective) on Julius.

Knicks should consider all other avenues as well, including how to build a non-treadmill team around Julius.

[cgf]

But, for what? You left out that part of the equation

Exactly.

The Warriors could have two lottery picks in this year's draft. I don't know that they can afford to develop two rookies next season with Klay coming back.

They seem like logical trade partners, I think there can be a deal to be made there, should the Knicks actually decide to sell high (from their perspective) on Julius.

Knicks should consider all other avenues as well, including how to build a non-treadmill team around Julius.

If the Minny pick is on the table for Julius & we can squeeze them for a swap with #14, then there's a differnt discussion to behad because you are right, every avenue should be explored...but I don't think that knock out offer is out there this summer. Maybe if Julius signed the 4yr extension, before coming back & showing that he can deliver in the playoffs, it would be next year...but after the series he just had with only 1 year left on his contract, I don't think it's there now.

In a different world, I think adding Julius & Robinson for Wiseman & their picks would be great for GSW and let the splash bros contend again...as Julius could do a lot of Draymond things while alongside those two, while also carrying the offensive load when they got their rest, and having Mitch anchoring things when Draymond is resting would be scary defensively...but after how bad Julius was, I don't think they make an offer that comes close to making our FO consider it.

[DaGawd]

I can’t realistically see the FO essentially deciding to start all over by trading Randle for a top 5 pick as enticing as that might be as a fan

[8516knicks]

Exactly.

The Warriors could have two lottery picks in this year's draft. I don't know that they can afford to develop two rookies next season with Klay coming back.

They seem like logical trade partners, I think there can be a deal to be made there, should the Knicks actually decide to sell high (from their perspective) on Julius.

Knicks should consider all other avenues as well, including how to build a non-treadmill team around Julius.

If the Minny pick is on the table for Julius & we can squeeze them for a swap with #14, then there's a differnt discussion to behad because you are right, every avenue should be explored...but I don't think that knock out offer is out there this summer. Maybe if Julius signed the 4yr extension, before coming back & showing that he can deliver in the playoffs, it would be next year...but after the series he just had with only 1 year left on his contract, I don't think it's there now.

In a different world, I think adding Julius & Robinson for Wiseman & their picks would be great for GSW and let the splash bros contend again...as Julius could do a lot of Draymond things while alongside those two, while also carrying the offensive load when they got their rest, and having Mitch anchoring things when Draymond is resting would be scary defensively...but after how bad Julius was, I don't think they make an offer that comes close to making our FO consider it.

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I can't see the FO or Thibs going for this. At this point Wiseman is way behind Mitch. So we're giving up our All Star and our promising D center for their picks? Couldn't they throw in Paschall at least?

We might just have to hope to luck out (or great scout) with the picks we have now in the draft to find that Gobert, Jocick, Giannis, Donovan Mitchel, etc. that probably will be there, if not in this draft, in the next 3.

Sure a top 5 pick is great but for every Lebron, there's an Anthony Bennet or Bargnani. And if there's a Frederic Weiss or Bargnani out there we're odds on to get them.

But st some point you have to get a good draft pick - we've had Ewing and (maybe) Porzingus (and maybe RJ) in what, 30 years? Aren't we due? Shoot, if we had just Donte D/Huerter and Mikal/Miles Bridges in addition to what we have now, we might be a landing place for Chris Paul (I know, despite his contract) and one disgrunted star friend of his and be knocking on the ECF series.

[snadler]

I can’t realistically see the FO essentially deciding to start all over by trading Randle for a top 5 pick as enticing as that might be as a fan

Please explain why a team would trade a top 5 pick for basically a free agent in Randle?

[DaGawd]

I can’t realistically see the FO essentially deciding to start all over by trading Randle for a top 5 pick as enticing as that might be as a fan

Please explain why a team would trade a top 5 pick for basically a free agent in Randle?

Probably only remotely realistic if a team like say the Raptors or warriors (via the wolves pick) get in the top 5 and are looking for a more ready made player

[Ph@t Joe]

Let's not deal with the Celtics please

[makeitstop]

I can’t realistically see the FO essentially deciding to start all over by trading Randle for a top 5 pick as enticing as that might be as a fan

Please explain why a team would trade a top 5 pick for basically a free agent in Randle?

(Read your post wrong. The reply is for DaGawd.)

Randle will be central to Knicks marketing. He's MIP and led them to the playoffs.

For better or worse, Julius Randle is the face of the franchise right now.

[HarthorneWingo]

I hope Leon is keeping up with this thread.

[NYK-Mentality85]

I'd hate to trade for Dame while losing our younger talents in Quickley, Obi and Mitch + multiple 1st round picks!

It'll be Melo era all over again (who I loved).

Just imagine if we kept Felton/Wilson Chandler and GALLO by simply signing Melo as a Free Agent the following offseason?!? We would've eliminated Indiana and advanced to the E.C.F during 2012-2013!

I rather keep all of our homegrown youthful hope, all of our 1st round picks and just sign Kawhi Leonard as a free Agent!

[cgf]

I'd hate to trade for Dame while losing our younger talents in Quickley, Obi and Mitch + multiple 1st round picks!

It'll be Melo era all over again (who I loved).

Just imagine if we kept Felton/Wilson Chandler and GALLO by simply signing Melo as a Free Agent the following offseason?!? We would've eliminated Indiana and advanced to the E.C.F during 2012-2013!

I rather keep all of our homegrown youthful hope, all of our 1st round picks and just sign Kawhi Leonard as a free Agent!

If we can sign Kawhi, then I would drive to NY just to drive RJ, Obi & IQ to Portland, with all of our picks.

If you can get Kawhi & Dame with two of Julius/RJ/Mitch, then you have to do it...even if my preference is for building around younger talent that's still improving.