Mavs Offseason - 21/22 - what do we do from here?

Post #181 » by **Mavrelous** » Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:49 pm

Don't forget who he has protecting the rim, this changes a lot in KAwhi's options.
He's a strong dude, and he understands the game better than 99% of the league, I'd fly him myself to Dallas, I can't imagine Utah giving him for free, but I wouldn't build on his D.

41Dirk41 · Post #182 » by **41Dirk41** » Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:55 pm

KhalilS wrote:Don't forget who he has protecting the rim, this changes a lot in KAwhi's options.
He's a strong dude, and he understands the game better than 99% of the league, I'd fly him myself to Dallas, I can't imagine Utah giving him for free, but I wouldn't build on his D.

Yes for sure, Utah has a lot of good defender.

BB has size and high IQ like you said, i remember him played a good serie against LeBron when he was at Indiana.

Mr B · Post #183 » by **Mr B** » Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:09 pm

KhalilS wrote:Don't forget who he has protecting the rim, this changes a lot in KAwhi's options.
He's a strong dude, and he understands the game better than 99% of the league, I'd fly him myself to Dallas, I can't imagine Utah giving him for free, but I wouldn't build on his D.

That’s what the Mavs need as much as they need a second ball handler. They need a defensive big. I would love for the Mavs to find a way to acquire Myles Turner.

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Post #184 » by **Mavrelous** » Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:13 pm

Myles Turner value is sky high right now, a defensive anchor on a bragain deal, there's no conceivable way to get him, if the Pacers are smart, they'd trade Sabonis, not Turner, but if they'll deal Turner, most likely candidate in GSW, they have the high picks to send them Wiggins and still provide enough value to make it worth it.

Mr B · Post #185 » by **Mr B** » Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:43 pm

KhalilS wrote:Myles Turner value is sky high right now, a defensive anchor on a bragain deal, there's no conceivable way to get him, if the Pacers are smart, they'd trade Sabonis, not Turner, but if they'll deal Turner, most likely candidate in GSW, they have the high picks to send them Wiggins and still provide enough value to make it worth it.

For Turner is absolutely best case scenario. It’s an extreme long shot I know. If not him the Rashaun Holmes has to be the guy. He’s the most attainable and fits what the Mavs need.

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Mike lorenzo · Post #186 » by **Mike lorenzo** » Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:58 pm

Mr B wrote:
KhalilS wrote:Myles Turner value is sky high right now, a defensive anchor on a bragain deal, there's no conceivable way to get him, if the Pacers are smart, they'd trade Sabonis, not Turner, but if they'll deal Turner, most likely candidate in GSW, they have the high picks to send them Wiggins and still provide enough value to make it worth it.

For Turner is absolutely best case scenario. It’s an extreme long shot I know. If not him the Rashaun Holmes has to be the guy. He’s the most attainable and fits what the Mavs need.

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I like Holmes and I think he fits very well with Luka ... but he does not seem like a great defender to me..direct average (I must admit that I do not follow the Kings) .. I like Robinson (Knicks) although he seems to fear persistent injuries

Post #187 » by **HMFFL** » Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:25 am

arkuo wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
boogiezen wrote:Dallas needs to address the starting 5 first before the bench. DFS/THJ/MAXI are not starters!

The Mantra "we love our guys in blue" is bull, we need talent. Wake up Cuban!

It can also be an excuse for Cuban not to spend as much this year given the pandemic situation. I understand he owns some restaurants in Dallas and they for sure have taken a hit financially. It's just out of character for him to admit it because he's Mr. Shark Tank and all.

Cuban already knows Luka wants the supermax. Everything indicates that he intends on spending.

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Pinkyring · Post #188 » by **Pinkyring** » Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:01 am

41Dirk41 wrote:
KhalilS wrote:I wouldn't call Bogie elite 3&D, offensively he's very skilled, much more than 3pt shooter, but he's not an elite wing defender by any stretch.
The Jazz will have to make the decision, Conely, Bogie or Jingles, one has to go, their actions as FO are very puzzling to me, they could've ducked the tax this year so that they don't become repeaters next year, and they extended Jingles for the next year knowing their cap situation, but I'm sure they have their motives.

BB played 2 terrific defensive games against Kawhi, he is way better than all ours F.

No he didn't, Kawhi wasn't aggressive because of gobert in the paint it had nothing to do with bogi

Pinkyring · Post #189 » by **Pinkyring** » Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:03 am

HMFFL wrote:
arkuo wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
The Mantra "we love our guys in blue" is bull, we need talent. Wake up Cuban!

It can also be an excuse for Cuban not to spend as much this year given the pandemic situation. I understand he owns some restaurants in Dallas and they for sure have taken a hit financially. It's just out of character for him to admit it because he's Mr. Shark Tank and all.
Cuban already knows Luka wants the supermax. Everything indicates that he intends on spending.

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Its not a supermax he isn't eligible for that off a rookie deal

Mike lorenzo · Post #190 » by **Mike lorenzo** » Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:46 am

Pinkyring wrote:
HMFFL wrote:
arkuo wrote:

It can also be an excuse for Cuban not to spend as much this year given the pandemic situation. I understand he owns some restaurants in Dallas and they for sure have taken a hit financially. It's just out of character for him to admit it because he's Mr. Shark Tank and all.
Cuban already knows Luka wants the supermax. Everything indicates that he intends on spending.

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Its not a supermax he isn't eligible for that off a rookie deal

https://clutchpoints.com/mavs-news-luka-doncic-sly-answer-201-5-million-supermax-question/

Mike lorenzo · Post #191 » by **Mike lorenzo** » Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:53 am

Pinkyring wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
KhalilS wrote:I wouldn't call Bogie elite 3&D, offensively he's very skilled, much more than 3pt shooter, but he's not an elite wing defender by any stretch.
The Jazz will have to make the decision, Conely, Bogie or Jingles, one has to go, their actions as FO are very puzzling to me, they could've ducked the tax this year so that they don't become repeaters next year, and they extended Jingles for the next year knowing their cap situation, but I'm sure they have their motives.

BB played 2 terrific defensive games against Kawhi, he is way better than all ours F.

No he didn't, Kawhi wasn't aggressive because of gobert in the paint it had nothing to do with bogi

I suppose that is your opinion..Gobert influences for sure..deny that Bogs played a great defense on Leonard, specifically in game 2..they are willing to oppose or not see the game ... 1 question, if Bojan were not a good defender ... why would an excellent coach like Snyder give him that assignment?

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41Dirk41 · Post #192 » by **41Dirk41** » Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:59 am

Pinkyring wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
KhalilS wrote:I wouldn't call Bogie elite 3&D, offensively he's very skilled, much more than 3pt shooter, but he's not an elite wing defender by any stretch.
The Jazz will have to make the decision, Conely, Bogie or Jingles, one has to go, their actions as FO are very puzzling to me, they could've ducked the tax this year so that they don't become repeaters next year, and they extended Jingles for the next year knowing their cap situation, but I'm sure they have their motives.

BB played 2 terrific defensive games against Kawhi, he is way better than all ours F.

No he didn't, Kawhi wasn't aggressive because of gobert in the paint it had nothing to do with bogi

It's a mix of those things, nobody can lock up a player like Kawhi but you can throw him a match up...we put a red carpet.

DFS and Kleber were smashed, maybe Luka was the less worse because he has strong body.

Anyway this prove that we were way away from good defensive team, we need for sure rim protector and wing defender.

arkuo · Post #193 » by **arkuo** » Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:40 am

I'm reading Dallas interest on Jarrett Allen online now. Could this work with him at C and KP at PF?

I'm assuming it has to be a really big deal for Cleveland to back off. Safe to assume to sign Allen, then go over the cap to sign THJ back with bird rights?

I'd trade Kleber + Melli + 2nd rounder for Marcus Smart even while the ink is still wet on that Jarrett Allen signing.

C- Allen / WCS / Boban
PF- Porzingis / Powell
SF- Doncic / DFS
SG- THJ / Green
PG- Smart / Brunson

Post #194 » by **Mavrelous** » Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:12 am

arkuo wrote:I'm reading Dallas interest on Jarrett Allen online now. Could this work with him at C and KP at PF?

I'm assuming it has to be a really big deal for Cleveland to back off. Safe to assume to sign Allen, then go over the cap to sign THJ back with bird rights?

I'd trade Kleber + Melli + 2nd rounder for Marcus Smart even while the ink is still wet on that Jarrett Allen signing.

C- Allen / WCS / Boban
PF- Porzingis / Powell
SF- Doncic / DFS
SG- THJ / Green
PG- Smart / Brunson

I highly doubt Cavs won't match anyting the Mavs offer.

arkuo · Post #195 » by **arkuo** » Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:13 am

KhalilS wrote:
arkuo wrote:I'm reading Dallas interest on Jarrett Allen online now. Could this work with him at C and KP at PF?

I'm assuming it has to be a really big deal for Cleveland to back off. Safe to assume to sign Allen, then go over the cap to sign THJ back with bird rights?

I'd trade Kleber + Melli + 2nd rounder for Marcus Smart even while the ink is still wet on that Jarrett Allen signing.

C- Allen / WCS / Boban
PF- Porzingis / Powell
SF- Doncic / DFS
SG- THJ / Green
PG- Smart / Brunson

I highly doubt Cavs won't match anyting the Mavs offer.

Yeah was thinking the same thing. Even if the Mavs offer $25M per. Which puts the Cavs in luxury tax category and no where near contention.

Unless they agree to a S&T so they get some pieces back.

41Dirk41 · Post #196 » by **41Dirk41** » Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:58 am

arkuo wrote:I'm reading Dallas interest on Jarrett Allen online now. Could this work with him at C and KP at PF?

I'm assuming it has to be a really big deal for Cleveland to back off. Safe to assume to sign Allen, then go over the cap to sign THJ back with bird rights?

I'd trade Kleber + Melli + 2nd rounder for Marcus Smart even while the ink is still wet on that Jarrett Allen signing.

C- Allen / WCS / Boban
PF- Porzingis / Powell
SF- Doncic / DFS
SG- THJ / Green
PG- Smart / Brunson

I like this lineup... But it's difficult that happens.

Pinkyring · Post #197 » by **Pinkyring** » Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:33 am

Mike lorenzo wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
BB played 2 terrific defensive games against Kawhi, he is way better than all ours F.

No he didn't, Kawhi wasn't aggressive because of gobert in the paint it had nothing to do with bogi

I suppose that is your opinion..Gobert influences for sure..deny that Bogs played a great defense on Leonard, specifically in game 2..they are willing to oppose or not see the game ... 1 question, if Bojan were not a good defender ... why would an excellent coach like Snyder give him that assignment?

Watch on YouTube

One possession excellent sample size, and the same reason our excellent coach would give maxi that assignment despite Kawhi kicking his ass last playoffs and all of this one

Post #198 » by **Mavrelous** » Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:38 am

Pinkyring wrote:
Mike lorenzo wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:No he didn't, Kawhi wasn't aggressive because of gobert in the paint it had nothing to do with bogi

I suppose that is your opinion..Gobert influences for sure..deny that Bogs played a great defense on Leonard, specifically in game 2..they are willing to oppose or not see the game ... 1 question, if Bojan were not a good defender ... why would an excellent coach like Snyder give him that assignment?

Watch on YouTube

One possession excellent sample size

It's not one possession, Bogie will defend Kawhi in the post as good as anyone, the thing is, Gobert takes away from Kawhi's face up game, which is where Bogie would struggle, go and rewatch the Mavs series, Kawhi started most of his damage from the perimeter.
It's a moot point really, if Mavs have the opportunity to get Bogie, you don't think twice about it, he's better than anything Kleber/THJ/Brunson can give you.

JD45 · Post #199 » by **JD45** » Sun Jun 13, 2021 12:17 pm

What about Norman Powell as a free agent target?

A little younger than THJ and shoots the 3 at a similar rate. Overall, scores more efficiently and has a reputation for good defense. He is a little smaller but has done well guarding larger players. He actually played SF in Portland. He would likely be better at starting next to Luka.

That would leave Brunson as a trade asset to try to find an upgrade elsewhere.

Mike lorenzo · Post #200 » by **Mike lorenzo** » Sun Jun 13, 2021 12:18 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
Mike lorenzo wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:No he didn't, Kawhi wasn't aggressive because of gobert in the paint it had nothing to do with bogi

I suppose that is your opinion..Gobert influences for sure..deny that Bogs played a great defense on Leonard, specifically in game 2..they are willing to oppose or not see the game ... 1 question, if Bojan were not a good defender ... why would an excellent coach like Snyder give him that assignment?

Watch on YouTube

One possession excellent sample size, and the same reason our excellent coach would give maxi that assignment despite Kawhi kicking his ass last playoffs and all of this one

different points of view ... Jazz has good defenders in Royce / English and even so, they decide to put Bojan I guess, that opens some reason