Winning a Wiggins Trade

[Scoots1994]

Winning a Wiggins trade would be someone paying us to get him. In a Zach Lowe podcast he was saying how Dallas might want have no choice but to trade Porzingis for pennies in order to get rid of at least 1 year of his 100 million contract so they can get a better free agent asap . If hypothetically they were so desperate to do that, would it be worth the coin-flip for the warriors to get Porzingis and DFS for Wiggins?

Last year I thought Wiggs and the #2 for Porzingis was a good deal. This year, I'm not sure I even want those 2 mavs for Wiggs.

KP supposedly complained about not having the ball enough ... not sure that attitude works on a Warriors team that prizes ball movement above all. Also I think Draymond thinks KP is soft.

[whatisacenter]

Winning a Wiggins trade would be someone paying us to get him. In a Zach Lowe podcast he was saying how Dallas might want have no choice but to trade Porzingis for pennies in order to get rid of at least 1 year of his 100 million contract so they can get a better free agent asap . If hypothetically they were so desperate to do that, would it be worth the coin-flip for the warriors to get Porzingis and DFS for Wiggins?

Last year I thought Wiggs and the #2 for Porzingis was a good deal. This year, I'm not sure I even want those 2 mavs for Wiggs.

KP supposedly complained about not having the ball enough ... not sure that attitude works on a Warriors team that prizes ball movement above all. Also I think Draymond thinks KP is soft.

I would consider a KP trade if it wasn't for his health issues. He just doesn't play enough games.

[ILOVEIT]

The only reason he's called the Unicorn....? Cause he RARELY plays and when he does he RARELY shows up.

Forget that.....It's a typical "oh I like his name!" He's got nothing left and if he did I don't want some Shaw Bradley II....he's super soft.

[superunknown]

why should we help the mavs getting rid of at least 1 year of porzingis's 100m deal so they can sign a better FA asap?!
why any team should do it? Unless the mavs are willing to throw in future unprotected picks to sweeten the deal together with taking back another bad contract.
**** them.

[Old_Blue]

Nurkic is supposedly on the outs in Portland...

https://sports.yahoo.com/blazers-jusuf-nurki-calls-portland-190745444.html

A Wiggins for Nurkic and Covington trade would work financially.

[Sleepy51]

Nurkic is supposedly on the outs in Portland...

https://sports.yahoo.com/blazers-jusuf-nurki-calls-portland-190745444.html

A Wiggins for Nurkic and Covington trade would work financially.

That’s something you could certainly throw a combination of JW/picks at to take a swing. What other teams have not only a big expiring that would be more attractive than Wiggins 2 year, but also have the pick combos to outbid us?

[vagelis]

Send him together with Wiseman to Raptors for Siakam.
Wiggins needs to find a team where he will have a bigger role than in Warriors. Raptors is a good destination for him, he may be the #1 option in his home town if that trade happens.
Warriors will get a proven great role player in Siakam, which is what they want

[Sleepy51]

Wow, just took a quick look at the next two free agent classes…the wing position at Wiggins salary slot is a wasteland after Kawhi and Butler. Wiggins could be a much more valuable trade chip at the coming deadline than we ever would have imagined when we took on his contract.

There are teams that can come over the top of us with picks, but very few will be able to put a quality two way wing into a deal and match that salary

[Sleepy51]

Send him together with Wiseman to Raptors for Siakam.
Wiggins needs to find a team where he will have a bigger role than in Warriors. Raptors is a good destination for him, he may be the #1 option in his home town if that trade happens.
Warriors will get a proven great role player in Siakam, which is what they want

No one here cares if he has a bigger role independent of winning. We care if he helps us win more games next year, be it on this roster or someone else’s. A “free Wiggins” take is gonna catch hell in this forum given the second life that OUR team has given him, with a better (diminished) role and absolving him of draft and salary expectations. If your a Wiggins fan first, frankly you should be grateful for the successful partnership with GSW and hopeful that he can stay here where things are finally working for him.

[vagelis]

Send him together with Wiseman to Raptors for Siakam.
Wiggins needs to find a team where he will have a bigger role than in Warriors. Raptors is a good destination for him, he may be the #1 option in his home town if that trade happens.
Warriors will get a proven great role player in Siakam, which is what they want

No one here cares if he has a bigger role independent of winning. We care if he helps us win more games next year, be it on this roster or someone else’s. A “free Wiggins” take is gonna catch hell in this forum given the second life that OUR team has given him, with a better (diminished) role and absolving him of draft and salary expectations. If your a Wiggins fan first, frankly you should be grateful for the successful partnership with GSW and hopeful that he can stay here where things are finally working for him.

I think that the thread is about a Wiggins trade. So, I proposed a trade that in my opinion would be good for both parts.
I wrote why it would be good for Warriors too.
I like the Warriors and I know it is good destination for the reputation of Wiggins because it is a big team with a big fanbase.
But yes I think that Wiggins has to succeed with a bigger role which he probably not have with Warriors.
Oubre had a bigger role than Wiggins before his injury, so I think that Warriors evaluate Wiggins as a role player if they had him worse than Oubre.
Wiggins probably likes it playing for Warriors but personally I think he needs to have bigger expectations for himself.
He has the talent to be the first option somewhere and why not in his home town

[Scoots1994]

Send him together with Wiseman to Raptors for Siakam.
Wiggins needs to find a team where he will have a bigger role than in Warriors. Raptors is a good destination for him, he may be the #1 option in his home town if that trade happens.
Warriors will get a proven great role player in Siakam, which is what they want

No one here cares if he has a bigger role independent of winning. We care if he helps us win more games next year, be it on this roster or someone else’s. A “free Wiggins” take is gonna catch hell in this forum given the second life that OUR team has given him, with a better (diminished) role and absolving him of draft and salary expectations. If your a Wiggins fan first, frankly you should be grateful for the successful partnership with GSW and hopeful that he can stay here where things are finally working for him.

I think that the thread is about a Wiggins trade. So, I proposed a trade that in my opinion would be good for both parts.
I wrote why it would be good for Warriors too.
I like the Warriors and I know it is good destination for the reputation of Wiggins because it is a big team with a big fanbase.
But yes I think that Wiggins has to succeed with a bigger role which he probably not have with Warriors.
Oubre had a bigger role than Wiggins before his injury, so I think that Warriors evaluate Wiggins as a role player if they had him worse than Oubre.
Wiggins probably likes it playing for Warriors but personally I think he needs to have bigger expectations for himself.
He has the talent to be the first option somewhere and why not in his home town

If Wiggins stays here then he will have a bigger role in time, and his role is based primarily on his game. If he starts outplaying Curry he will get the ball more than Curry.

[Sleepy51]

Send him together with Wiseman to Raptors for Siakam.
Wiggins needs to find a team where he will have a bigger role than in Warriors. Raptors is a good destination for him, he may be the #1 option in his home town if that trade happens.
Warriors will get a proven great role player in Siakam, which is what they want

No one here cares if he has a bigger role independent of winning. We care if he helps us win more games next year, be it on this roster or someone else’s. A “free Wiggins” take is gonna catch hell in this forum given the second life that OUR team has given him, with a better (diminished) role and absolving him of draft and salary expectations. If your a Wiggins fan first, frankly you should be grateful for the successful partnership with GSW and hopeful that he can stay here where things are finally working for him.

I think that the thread is about a Wiggins trade. So, I proposed a trade that in my opinion would be good for both parts.
I wrote why it would be good for Warriors too.
I like the Warriors and I know it is good destination for the reputation of Wiggins because it is a big team with a big fanbase.
But yes I think that Wiggins has to succeed with a bigger role which he probably not have with Warriors.
Oubre had a bigger role than Wiggins before his injury, so I think that Warriors evaluate Wiggins as a role player if they had him worse than Oubre.
Wiggins probably likes it playing for Warriors but personally I think he needs to have bigger expectations for himself.
He has the talent to be the first option somewhere and why not in his home town

The main reason Wiggins doesn't have the talent to be a #1 option is he doesn't have lead guard handle. He is fine taking 1-2 dribbles, but he is not capable of changing direction with the ball and keeping his eyes upcourt scanning for options. That's not a character or effort assassination. Really, only natural point guards who grow up with the ball in their hand develop that type of fluidity and comfort maintaining a live dribble. Wiggins is a player who needs to pick up his dribble once he enters the paint which limits his ability to change options once the defense reacts. He's a play finisher, not an initiator and you can't be a #1 option in today's NBA as only a finisher. Period.

That and god he really is crap at the FT line. You can't get away with that as a slasher and a #1 option as Giannis is showing us clearly for multiple years.

I LOVE what the W's have gotten from Wiggins and I will be perfectly happy if we run it back with him and Klay and see what its like when the game is easier for everyone, but he's not a #1 option for anything but a bad to low ends of mediocre team. Thats just buffoonery.

[Old_Blue]

If Wiggins stays here then he will have a bigger role in time, and his role is based primarily on his game. If he starts outplaying Curry he will get the ball more than Curry.

You really need to forewarn people when you post something as insane as this. For instance, a person could be eating while reading and come across this post and choke to death.

[vagelis]

The main reason Wiggins doesn't have the talent to be a #1 option is he doesn't have lead guard handle. He is fine taking 1-2 dribbles, but he is not capable of changing direction with the ball and keeping his eyes upcourt scanning for options. That's not a character or effort assassination. Really, only natural point guards who grow up with the ball in their hand develop that type of fluidity and comfort maintaining a live dribble. Wiggins is a player who needs to pick up his dribble once he enters the paint which limits his ability to change options once the defense reacts. He's a play finisher, not an initiator and you can't be a #1 option in today's NBA as only a finisher. Period.

That and god he really is crap at the FT line. You can't get away with that as a slasher and a #1 option as Giannis is showing us clearly for multiple years.

I LOVE what the W's have gotten from Wiggins and I will be perfectly happy if we run it back with him and Klay and see what its like when the game is easier for everyone, but he's not a #1 option for anything but a bad to low ends of mediocre team. Thats just buffoonery.

Wiggins handles are good enough in order to drive to the rim at will. Especially if he takes the ball at the top center of the court not at the corners as his current role demands.
If Siakam and Jerami Grant can be the #1 option for a team, my opinion is that Wiggins can play this role better than them. He is a better scorer and better playmaker. They may be better as role players.

We had a hint this year too what Wiggins can do when he is the #1st option for a team (his handles and direction changes seem fine to me but I agree that playmaking is not his best asset while not bad).

Watch on YouTube

Anyway, I don't want Wiggins out of Warriors but if this happens, I prefer his destination to be the Raptors, that is what I was saying.

[Onus]

The main reason Wiggins doesn't have the talent to be a #1 option is he doesn't have lead guard handle. He is fine taking 1-2 dribbles, but he is not capable of changing direction with the ball and keeping his eyes upcourt scanning for options. That's not a character or effort assassination. Really, only natural point guards who grow up with the ball in their hand develop that type of fluidity and comfort maintaining a live dribble. Wiggins is a player who needs to pick up his dribble once he enters the paint which limits his ability to change options once the defense reacts. He's a play finisher, not an initiator and you can't be a #1 option in today's NBA as only a finisher. Period.

That and god he really is crap at the FT line. You can't get away with that as a slasher and a #1 option as Giannis is showing us clearly for multiple years.

I LOVE what the W's have gotten from Wiggins and I will be perfectly happy if we run it back with him and Klay and see what its like when the game is easier for everyone, but he's not a #1 option for anything but a bad to low ends of mediocre team. Thats just buffoonery.

Wiggins handles are good enough in order to drive to the rim at will. Especially if he takes the ball at the top center of the court not at the corners as his current role demands.
If Siakam and Jerami Grant can be the #1 option for a team, my opinion is that Wiggins can play this role better than them. He is a better scorer and better playmaker. They may be better as role players.

We had a hint this year too what Wiggins can do when he is the #1st option for a team (his handles and direction changes seem fine to me but I agree that playmaking is not his best asset while not bad).

Watch on YouTube

Anyway, I don't want Wiggins out of Warriors but if this happens, I prefer his destination to be the Raptors, that is what I was saying.

Jerami Grant was the no 1 option on a team that won 20 games. Yea Wiggins has done that as well on the Wolves and if you want your team to win 20 games sure Wiggins can be your no 1 option. If you want to win a championship there's no way he's a no 1 option. He might be able to be a 2nd but his jump shot is too inconsistent to really be a high end no 2. Think about the no 2 options on the title contenders: Harden/Kyrie, AD, Booker, Conley, Murray/MPJ, PG. They're all better than Wiggins. Don't worry I don't think Klay is a high end option no 2 either, as he struggles creating his own shot. He's a much better 3 like MPJ.

[Scoots1994]

If Wiggins stays here then he will have a bigger role in time, and his role is based primarily on his game. If he starts outplaying Curry he will get the ball more than Curry.

You really need to forewarn people when you post something as insane as this. For instance, a person could be eating while reading and come across this post and choke to death.

Hehe, I did say "if" ... I was just making an observation that Wiggins doesn't "need to leave and be a first option somewhere else" ... if he earns the first option he can have it.

[Sleepy51]

If Siakam and Jerami Grant can be the #1 option for a team, my opinion is that Wiggins can play this role better than them. He is a better scorer and better playmaker. They may be better as role players.

I must have missed the part where Siakam or Grant were #1 options for a GOOD team. Because that's that I said Wiggins couldn't do. Sure he could be a #1 option for a 10-7th seed, but who cares about that? Monta Ellis was a #1 option for a perennial 10th seed and likewise pretty much had to pick up his dribble when he entered the paint. Legit (as in capable of leading a GOOD TEAM) lead guards are just different. And it's a skill that doesn't evolve at the pro level. You either come into the league with the ball on a string, or you are a supporting player on a good team. That's science.

[Mob Byers]

There is no winnable Wiggins trade

[whatisacenter]

There is no winnable Wiggins trade

Besides the one they made to get him

[Mob Byers]

There is no winnable Wiggins trade

Besides the one they made to get him

True, Myers gets no credit for it

Also I think the guy on 95.7 The Game right now reads RGM. Just brought up the Siakim idea.