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Re: Vanderpool and Gates let go as Finch looks to build his staff 

Post#21 » by Nick K » Sat May 22, 2021 2:42 am

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Calinks wrote:I still strongly suspect that Glen was pushing for Ryan to be coach and Rosas hired him just to make his new boss happy and because there was some potential there. I think if Rosas had it his way he would have hired Finch from the start. his hand was forced and was ready to jump to Finch as soon as he realistically could.

This is why owners should let the people they hire do their jobs, if you have faith in the person you hired to get things done, let them do it.

Maybe. But Saunders had qualities that Rosas would have wanted:

1. He could push him around. Saunders was loyal, playing the players and style Rosas wanted, even if it meant he got losses.

2. Rosas knew that the first coach would struggle and be short term. He might not want to do that to Finch.

3. Saunders had the relationships. After Thibs authoritarian regime, Rosas and his new bunch of kids had no credibility with Towns, and the rest of the players that were already on the roster.

4. P.R. win.

We will never know if Glen made the final call, and it’s easy to imagine that Ryan was hired because Glen felt he owed it to Flip. Maybe that’s true. But I think that’s a simple explanation when there are certainly other reasons Rosas might choose Saunders.


Once again I agree with all. Saunders was thrown in an impossible situation when Kat and Dlo went down. There is not a coach in the universe that could have won with that group.

My guess is with most of you in that Glen wanted Saunders. I believe Rosas wanted Finch all along.
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Re: Vanderpool and Gates let go as Finch looks to build his staff 

Post#22 » by m2002brian » Sat May 22, 2021 3:12 am

Good riddance.
Let the winning begin.

Get top 5 defense and a top 15 offense in here and we’re playofff Bound for years.

Plus, as I’ve been saying since before Ryan was let go, Ant is a star, no doubt about it. Like others have said, this is his team now. He’s Lebron, KAT in Davis. F DLo, wish we could ship him, but as a wolves fan, I hope he can be out ginobli
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Re: Vanderpool and Gates let go as Finch looks to build his staff 

Post#23 » by life_saver » Mon May 24, 2021 5:33 pm

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shrink wrote:This was expected.

Vanterpoole came here expecting this to be a short gig, and perhaps be a head coach in the next year or two. I believe he interviewed for a head coaching job while he was here, but didn’t get it. Many felt that he should have become the head coach here when Saunders was hired, and the flap over him not being interviewed, I think this was all for show by the Head Coaches Association who want to stick up for black (not diverse) hires, because

1. Rosas couldn’t have extended hiring process mid season
2. Rosas had already interviewed Vanterpool and Finch 18 months earlier
3. Nobody should be accusing the Wolves of a lack of diversity, when their brain trust was

Rosas: 1st Latino GM
Gupta: India
Vanterpool: black
Priglioni: Argentina/Italy
Saunders: white. Finch doesn’t really make them too white, right?

Moreover, Vanterpool didn’t exactly do great here. I had high hopes for him, after he turned Damian Lillard from a turnstile to at least an okay defender, but the Wolves routinely were in the bottom 3 teams in the league defensively. Now, this isn’t all his fault - the roster Rosas gave him wasn’t exactly a defensive one, and when KAT was out last year and Gorgui was inserted, the Wolves instantly became a top 5 defense running DV’s system. However, part of the job of being a coach isn’t just drawing up systems - it’s getting your players to learn, accept, and implement that system.

I think losing Vanterpool is a loss in potential, but I am curious to see what the Wolves can be defensively with a new voice on the coaching staff.

After watching this team struggle defensively even when Thibs was here (Thibs was able to turn a below par Knicks team into a stud team defensively and even his Bulls teams were fantastic defensively), I am starting to think maybe the problem is with the core here..KAT has been the only constant in the last 6 yrs. Especially after seeing how much Knicks improved defensively under Thibs, it's starting to feel like KAT really is the major problem on defense..I definitely wouldn't come to conclusion on Vanterpool based on his last couple of seasons here

I still don't think he is so bad that we can chalk it up to him. I think just as a whole we have not had a roster and scheme match that can plat at a high level. Randle was seen as a crappy defender until this year too. I think there is a way to make KAT serviceable we just haven't found it. Hell people are calling Wiggins a shut down dwfender and he wasnt that great under Thibs either.

Yeah..I was mostly agreeing with what Shrink said..Vanterpool might be deserving of some blame but it's hard to say from outside how much of the blame our defensive coaching unit deserves especally when even Thibs couldn't make this a good defensive team..Wiggins is just an oddity...I feel like with Wiggins, it depends more on his motivation on defensive end than system/scheme. He had some games even when he was at Wolves when he was locked in defensively.
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Re: Vanderpool and Gates let go as Finch looks to build his staff 

Post#24 » by Krapinsky » Mon May 24, 2021 10:36 pm

For a guy that came here supposedly so highly regarded, I can't say there were any notable Vanderpool moments other than the hooplah about him not getting offered the job after Saunders was fired.
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Post#25 » by Dalvin » Sat Jun 5, 2021 5:58 am

How come Vanterpool is not in the shortlisted coaches that's being bandied about by reporters for Portland?
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Post#26 » by _AIJ_ » Sat Jun 5, 2021 6:05 am

Dalvin wrote:How come Vanterpool is not in the shortlisted coaches that's being bandied about by reporters for Portland?

Because Lillard is so fake.
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Re: Vanderpool and Gates let go as Finch looks to build his staff 

Post#27 » by Dalvin » Sat Jun 5, 2021 6:07 am

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Dalvin wrote:How come Vanterpool is not in the shortlisted coaches that's being bandied about by reporters for Portland?

Because Lillard is so fake.

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Re: Vanderpool and Gates let go as Finch looks to build his staff 

Post#28 » by Dewey » Sat Jun 5, 2021 2:33 pm

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Dalvin wrote:How come Vanterpool is not in the shortlisted coaches that's being bandied about by reporters for Portland?

Because Lillard is so fake.

I’ve always found it amazing how players never take accountability ... a “new coach” is the answer in their view. Gosh forbid a superstar or two passed on playing with Lilliard and chose another path - but that’s always the GM/Coaches fault.

Reality always sets in ... in today’s NBA stacking the deck is the way to go largely due the fact there are just so few players who are willing and able to lead and be accountable. They want a lot of money and win now - no different than many young people in the work general force ... we want what mom and dad have now.
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Post#29 » by shrink » Sat Jun 5, 2021 3:59 pm

Only a few months ago, Lillard raises a stink about Vanterpool not getting our head coaching job.

Seems he wants him to be a head coach, just not HIS head coach.

(And he prefers Jason Kidd?!? ick)
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Post#30 » by jscott » Sat Jun 5, 2021 5:37 pm

shrink wrote:Only a few months ago, Lillard raises a stink about Vanterpool not getting our head coaching job.

Seems he wants him to be a head coach, just not HIS head coach.

(And he prefers Jason Kidd?!? ick)

I 100% thought the same thing when I read it.
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Post#31 » by IceManBK1 » Mon Jun 7, 2021 12:04 am

Can we hire Steve Clifford as headcoach and demote Flinch to asst head coach? Lol..
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Post#32 » by Dalvin » Mon Jun 7, 2021 1:55 am

Maybe Lillard is on to something, coaching search begins in Portland, how come he won't publicly endorse Vanterpool? He wants Vanterpool here and not there with him? Maybe he knows that he really isn't that much of a head coach material (yet).
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Re: Vanderpool and Gates let go as Finch looks to build his staff 

Post#33 » by Calinks » Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:11 pm

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Re: Vanderpool and Gates let go as Finch looks to build his staff 

Post#34 » by shangrila » Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:47 pm

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That's interesting. I thought the G League team was doing well, both with on court stuff and player development.

But Finch seems to know his stuff so increased autonomy isn't a bad thing.
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Post#35 » by Domejandro » Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:59 pm

shangrila wrote:That's interesting. I thought the G League team was doing well, both with on court stuff and player development.

But Finch seems to know his stuff so increased autonomy isn't a bad thing.

It is somewhat expected, for what it is worth; there is a general shift in the developmental league towards partner teams running the same coaching schemes to make it easier for players that you are developing to make the next step onto the main squad. Continuity is becoming the most important thing, from everything I have heard.
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Post#36 » by NebWolvesFan » Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:57 pm

I wonder if current Timberwolves assistant Joseph Blair will be asked to coach Iowa. He won a G League title with Rio Grande and coach five years in the G League. He probably prefers the NBA bench, but he have a lot more responsibility in Des Moines.
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Re: Vanderpool and Gates let go as Finch looks to build his staff 

Post#37 » by Nick K » Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:44 pm

shangrila wrote:
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That's interesting. I thought the G League team was doing well, both with on court stuff and player development.

But Finch seems to know his stuff so increased autonomy isn't a bad thing.


It makes sense that Finch wants someone who knows his stuff to teach it at Iowa. I like the move for that reason. I wish Beck well. He shouldn't have any problem catching on somewhere.
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Post#38 » by IceManBK1 » Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:35 pm

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Post#39 » by BlacJacMac » Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:36 pm

IceManBK1 wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2944972-report-nate-mcmillan-has-reservations-about-being-named-hawks-permanent-hc.amp.html
Hire him as Ast coach if he don't want be headcoach. Maybe go after Stan van gundy as Ast also.


Finch is going to hire people that share a philosophy with him, not the biggest names available.
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