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[EvanZ]

If he's bigger than almost all 4's, and a better rebounder than almost all 4's, and a better shot blocker than almost all 4's...then...maybe he's not a 4?

It's not complicated.

It's not complicated at all, because he's obviously a 4. Let me ask you this. What is the team that is drafting him that will start him at the 5 in your opinion? Charlotte?

1) Charlotte. Toronto. Oklahoma City. Washington. Golden State (if they trade Wiseman, lots of trade rumors swirling around), Orlando, Pelicans (trying to trade adams and even if they keep him for 1 more year, that 1 year you bring sengun off the bench behind Adams and then start sengun in 2022-2023 once adams is gone), Spurs, Celtics, Knicks..

LMAO. None of these teams are going to start Sengun at center. Guess we'll just have to re-visit this thread in a couple years.

[EvanZ]

Julius Randle is essentially the same size as Sengun. Why isn't he a starting center? I mean according to everyone here, shouldn't that be his best spot? Why do they need Noel or Mitchell behind him? Huh.

[Charm]

Julius Randle is essentially the same size as Sengun. Why isn't he a starting center? I mean according to everyone here, shouldn't that be his best spot? Why do they need Noel or Mitchell behind him? Huh.

Randle isn't a center because he doesn't block shots. Center isn't his best spot, because he doesn't block shots. He needs Noel or Mitchell behind him, because he needs a shot blocker behind him.

I'm happy to keep dunking on you, but I'm begging you, for your own sake, to think for just a second before making these posts.

[EvanZ]

Julius Randle is essentially the same size as Sengun. Why isn't he a starting center? I mean according to everyone here, shouldn't that be his best spot? Why do they need Noel or Mitchell behind him? Huh.

Randle isn't a center because he doesn't block shots. Center isn't his best spot, because he doesn't block shots. He needs Noel or Mitchell behind him, because he needs a shot blocker behind him.

I'm happy to keep dunking on you, but I'm begging you, for your own sake, to think for just a second before making these posts.

Sengun is not going to be a shot blocker in the NBA. Do you actually think he is?

[Roger Murdock]

He's actually a big 3 or maybe a big 2. Its obvious. And by obvious I mean everyone disagrees with me but I will continue belligerently arguing my point for the next 15 pages.

[Charm]

Julius Randle is essentially the same size as Sengun. Why isn't he a starting center? I mean according to everyone here, shouldn't that be his best spot? Why do they need Noel or Mitchell behind him? Huh.

Randle isn't a center because he doesn't block shots. Center isn't his best spot, because he doesn't block shots. He needs Noel or Mitchell behind him, because he needs a shot blocker behind him.

I'm happy to keep dunking on you, but I'm begging you, for your own sake, to think for just a second before making these posts.

Sengun is not going to be a shot blocker in the NBA. Do you actually think he is?

Of course he is, but I'm glad we've finally gotten to the root of why you think he's not a center.

-If his block rate drops by around 25%, which is typical, he'd have about the same block rate as Jarrett Allen or Joel Embiid.

-If his block rate drops by 50% in the NBA, which would be an unusually severe decline for a prospect coming from a top international league, he'd still be on par with quality starting centers like Towns, Plumlee, and Valanciunas.

-His block rate would have to drop more than 70% to be worse than Vucevic's, who's among the worst defensive starting centers. That's not going to happen.

-His block rate would have to drop more than 90% to be worse than Randle's who (as you astutely point out) is not a starting center. Also not going to happen

[Hal14]

It's not complicated at all, because he's obviously a 4. Let me ask you this. What is the team that is drafting him that will start him at the 5 in your opinion? Charlotte?

1) Charlotte. Toronto. Oklahoma City. Washington. Golden State (if they trade Wiseman, lots of trade rumors swirling around), Orlando, Pelicans (trying to trade adams and even if they keep him for 1 more year, that 1 year you bring sengun off the bench behind Adams and then start sengun in 2022-2023 once adams is gone), Spurs, Celtics, Knicks..

LMAO. None of these teams are going to start Sengun at center. Guess we'll just have to re-visit this thread in a couple years.

Maybe not right from game 1 of the season, but Sengun will be 19 next season, how many 19 year old kids started this season for an NBA team? Ball, Edwards, I'm pretty sure that's it. Even if he doesn't start right away as a 19 year old, any of those teams (especially raptors, spurs, hornets, magic, pelicans and wizards) would be drafting him with the intention of starting him at center eventually.

[EvanZ]

1) Charlotte. Toronto. Oklahoma City. Washington. Golden State (if they trade Wiseman, lots of trade rumors swirling around), Orlando, Pelicans (trying to trade adams and even if they keep him for 1 more year, that 1 year you bring sengun off the bench behind Adams and then start sengun in 2022-2023 once adams is gone), Spurs, Celtics, Knicks..

LMAO. None of these teams are going to start Sengun at center. Guess we'll just have to re-visit this thread in a couple years.

Maybe not right from game 1 of the season, but Sengun will be 19 next season, how many 19 year old kids started this season for an NBA team?

Wiseman , Poku, PatWill ('twas a banner year for 19 yos)...not that it matters. Anyway, you're right, we'll just see what happens.

[Morse Code]

Just watched a Sweden vs Turkey game (Jonas Jerebko vs Sengun) and they are virtually the same size on the court. You guys think Jerebko is big enough to play C is his athleticism and shot blocking was on par with Sengun?

[Charm]

Just watched a Sweden vs Turkey game (Jonas Jerebko vs Sengun) and they are virtually the same size on the court. You guys think Jerebko is big enough to play C is his athleticism and shot blocking was on par with Sengun?

Jerebko blocked 14 shots in 994 minutes in his predraft season in Italy. Sengun blocked 52 shots in 954 minutes in his predraft season in Turkey. Sengun also had 301 rebounds to Jerebko's 213 rebounds.

Their measurements are probably fairly similar, but Sengun's much more productive when it comes to shot blocking.

[Mirotic12]

Just watched a Sweden vs Turkey game (Jonas Jerebko vs Sengun) and they are virtually the same size on the court. You guys think Jerebko is big enough to play C is his athleticism and shot blocking was on par with Sengun?

Jerebko is 6-10 barefoot, so if they are the same size, it would show that Sengun isn't "undersized".

[Morse Code]

Just watched a Sweden vs Turkey game (Jonas Jerebko vs Sengun) and they are virtually the same size on the court. You guys think Jerebko is big enough to play C is his athleticism and shot blocking was on par with Sengun?

Jerebko blocked 14 shots in 994 minutes in his predraft season in Italy. Sengun blocked 52 shots in 954 minutes in his predraft season in Turkey. Sengun also had 301 rebounds to Jerebko's 213 rebounds.

Their measurements are probably fairly similar, but Sengun's much more productive when it comes to shot blocking.

That doesn’t answer my question and I already knew he blocks more shots and rebounds better which is why I said “if they were on par.”

[Morse Code]

Jalil Okafor is 6’10 as well but much heavier/longer. Some comparable aspects of them but still very different players. I’m just trying to visualize how he’ll look on the court vs other bigs size wise.

[Charm]

Just watched a Sweden vs Turkey game (Jonas Jerebko vs Sengun) and they are virtually the same size on the court. You guys think Jerebko is big enough to play C is his athleticism and shot blocking was on par with Sengun?

Jerebko blocked 14 shots in 994 minutes in his predraft season in Italy. Sengun blocked 52 shots in 954 minutes in his predraft season in Turkey. Sengun also had 301 rebounds to Jerebko's 213 rebounds.

Their measurements are probably fairly similar, but Sengun's much more productive when it comes to shot blocking.

That doesn’t answer my question and I already knew he blocks more shots and rebounds better which is why I said “if they were on par.”

Your post literally said "is his athleticism and shot blocking was on par with Sengun?"

I guess you meant "if"?

I previously compared him to (a young) Tristan Thompson physically and athletically, though upon further investigation it seems Sengun might be slightly taller. Not the biggest guy on the court, but a very physical player who makes his presence felt and has a strong lower body.

[Morse Code]

Jerebko blocked 14 shots in 994 minutes in his predraft season in Italy. Sengun blocked 52 shots in 954 minutes in his predraft season in Turkey. Sengun also had 301 rebounds to Jerebko's 213 rebounds.

Their measurements are probably fairly similar, but Sengun's much more productive when it comes to shot blocking.

That doesn’t answer my question and I already knew he blocks more shots and rebounds better which is why I said “if they were on par.”

Your post literally said "is his athleticism and shot blocking was on par with Sengun?"

I guess you meant "if"?

I previously compared him to (a young) Tristan Thompson physically and athletically, though upon further investigation it seems Sengun might be slightly taller. Not the biggest guy on the court, but a very physical player who makes his presence felt and has a strong lower body.

Oh you’re right I did mean to type “if”. Put Senguns abilities into Jerebko’s body, is that good for C nowadays do you think? It does look like Jonas has longer arms but idk if that’s true for sure.

Edit: Jerebko has a 7’1 wingspan

[Charm]

Here he is next to Garuba a couple years ago at the FIBA U18's, when they were 17. Sengun's clearly much heavier, with somewhat lower, wider shoulders. His arms look a touch shorter than Garuba's, but not dramatically shorter. Sengun's evidently grown an inch taller since then, and if his arms have grown too, then I'd expect his wingspan to measure somewhere between 7'1" and 7'2".

[babyjax13]

That doesn’t answer my question and I already knew he blocks more shots and rebounds better which is why I said “if they were on par.”

Your post literally said "is his athleticism and shot blocking was on par with Sengun?"

I guess you meant "if"?

I previously compared him to (a young) Tristan Thompson physically and athletically, though upon further investigation it seems Sengun might be slightly taller. Not the biggest guy on the court, but a very physical player who makes his presence felt and has a strong lower body.

Oh you’re right I did mean to type “if”. Put Senguns abilities into Jerebko’s body, is that good for C nowadays do you think? It does look like Jonas has longer arms but idk if that’s true for sure.

Edit: Jerebko has a 7’1 wingspan

Sengun is obviously a bit thicker, but yes, I think those are fine measurements for a center. Goga Bitazde is another guy who is a similar size: 6-11; 7-2 wingspan vs. 6-9.5; 7-0 wingspan at the beginning of this season (I expect these measurements to improve a little bit, to something like 6-10; 7-1).

[Charm]

Your post literally said "is his athleticism and shot blocking was on par with Sengun?"

I guess you meant "if"?

I previously compared him to (a young) Tristan Thompson physically and athletically, though upon further investigation it seems Sengun might be slightly taller. Not the biggest guy on the court, but a very physical player who makes his presence felt and has a strong lower body.

Oh you’re right I did mean to type “if”. Put Senguns abilities into Jerebko’s body, is that good for C nowadays do you think? It does look like Jonas has longer arms but idk if that’s true for sure.

Edit: Jerebko has a 7’1 wingspan

Sengun is obviously a bit thicker, but yes, I think those are fine measurements for a center. Goga Bitazde is another guy who is a similar size: 6-11; 7-2 wingspan vs. 6-9.5; 7-0 wingspan at the beginning of this season (I expect these measurements to improve a little bit, to something like 6-10; 7-1).

Goga's shot blocking translated really well too, for what it's worth. If he can somehow get back to hitting ~40% from 3 then he's a quality starter.

[T-d0t]

Would be perfect on the Raps next to Siakam and OG

[Kalela]

I am going by 2-3 Youtube higlights videos but his game reminds me of that of Kyle Anderson aka Slow Mo.