MIAMI HEAT Offseason Thread 2021

[Kobewade11]

The hill some of you choose to die on is weird af to me. Now we’re complaining about Norris Cole? The 28th pick in a draft 10 years ago. Give me a **** break.

[NBADraft2003]

The hill some of you choose to die on is weird af to me. Now we’re complaining about Norris Cole? The 28th pick in a draft 10 years ago. Give me a **** break.

And it’s some of the most false chit I’ve ever read about the front office and coaching. I get being frustrated after the season we just had but damn, actually get a phucking grip because y’all are going overboard.

[Dr_Heat]

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[eddieheatfan]

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replacing an aging player with another one

and btw, was belly a difference maker or gabe vincent or oladipo or avery bradley? the heat has surely made some pretty questionable decisions in the last few years. this is a fact, they went to the eastern conference finals last year because most players were playing with fear with the corona virus thing and heat maximized their games because they were also playing in a scrimmage type of environment.

also last's year team the players played with passion. this year the heat thought that they were going to win by committee

[twix2500]

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Definitely not enough, but IMO the hope for getting Lowry is to help with the growth of Bam, Robinson, Achiuwa and Herro. The same way Paul is helping with the growth of Booker, Ayton and others. Has to be some internal growth.

[Flash4thewin]

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Definitely not enough, but IMO the hope for getting Lowry is to help with the growth of Bam, Robinson, Achiuwa and Herro. The same way Paul is helping with the growth of Booker, Ayton and others. Has to be some internal growth.

But Lowry is not like Paul at all. Its like apples and oranges. Also looks like the Mavs want Lowry so expect the floor of his next contract to start at 25 mil since he will have suitors.

[HeatIn5]

Player A

2019 - 28 MPG, 16.2 PPG, 5.1 APG, 3.2 RPG, 0.7 ST, 2.4 TO, 44/37/78, 113 DRTG
2020 - 27 MPG, 13.4 PPG, 4.4 APG, 3.4 RPG, 0.7 ST, 2.4 TO, 43/37/83, 114 DRTG



Player B

2019 - 36 MPG, 19.4 PPG, 7.5 APG, 5 RPG, 1.4 ST, 3.1 TO, 42/35/86, 106 DRTG
2020 - 35 MPG, 17.2 PPG, 7.3 APG, 5.4 RPG, 1 ST, 2.7 TO, 44/40/87, 115 DRTG

Spoiler:

Player A you have guaranteed right now on a 1 year 19M deal

Player B you will likely need to make a STARTING offer of 3/80 at the absolute least to get into the room.

[eddieheatfan]

Player A

2019 - 28 MPG, 16.2 PPG, 5.1 APG, 3.2 RPG, 0.7 ST, 2.4 TO, 44/37/78, 113 DRTG
2020 - 27 MPG, 13.4 PPG, 4.4 APG, 3.4 RPG, 0.7 ST, 2.4 TO, 43/37/83, 114 DRTG



Player B

2019 - 36 MPG, 19.4 PPG, 7.5 APG, 5 RPG, 1.4 ST, 3.1 TO, 42/35/86, 106 DRTG
2020 - 35 MPG, 17.2 PPG, 7.3 APG, 5.4 RPG, 1 ST, 2.7 TO, 44/40/87, 115 DRTG

Spoiler:

Player A you have guaranteed right now on a 1 year 19M deal

Player B you will likely need to make a STARTING offer of 3/80 at the absolute least to get into the room.

lowry is just better by a few points but numbers dont differ that much. both players are declining and that's to be expected because of age. apart from salary the question that pops out in my mind is...which player gives you better intangibles. lowry or goran?

by the numbers, again lowry is the better option but at what price in both money and team chemistry. at this stage i dont prefer either one.hang goran's banner and call it a day, he should join haslem at senior community center

[Flash4thewin]

Player A

2019 - 28 MPG, 16.2 PPG, 5.1 APG, 3.2 RPG, 0.7 ST, 2.4 TO, 44/37/78, 113 DRTG
2020 - 27 MPG, 13.4 PPG, 4.4 APG, 3.4 RPG, 0.7 ST, 2.4 TO, 43/37/83, 114 DRTG



Player B

2019 - 36 MPG, 19.4 PPG, 7.5 APG, 5 RPG, 1.4 ST, 3.1 TO, 42/35/86, 106 DRTG
2020 - 35 MPG, 17.2 PPG, 7.3 APG, 5.4 RPG, 1 ST, 2.7 TO, 44/40/87, 115 DRTG

Spoiler:

Player A you have guaranteed right now on a 1 year 19M deal

Player B you will likely need to make a STARTING offer of 3/80 at the absolute least to get into the room.

lowry is just better by a few points but numbers dont differ that much. both players are declining and that's to be expected because of age. apart from salary the question that pops out in my mind is...which player gives you better intangibles. lowry or goran?

by the numbers, again lowry is the better option but at what price in both money and team chemistry. at this stage i dont prefer either one.hang goran's banner and call it a day, he should join haslem at senior community center

If its really going to take a 3 year deal, im inclined to go after Paul at that point lol, im ok with a 50/2 year deal or 55/2 deal but not 3 years. The fact we are even having these discussions when Paul was for the taking just doubles down on how inept and (insert curse word) our front office has been. Granted Paul will make Duncan and Herro have breakout years for sure. Ball is another option I would look at if Lowry wants a 3 year deal.

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[RexBoyWonder]

very tough spot we're in.

High expectations, very few options to make significant upgrades.

Only way I see up getting a lot better next year is by incremental growth. (assuming we don't get Kawhi).

This means 1 or 2 upgrades in new players we add in free agency or trades, and another 3-4 וupgrades with inner growth, guys like Herro, Bam, Duncan, KZ, Precious becoming better players.

[twix2500]

very tough spot we're in.

High expectations, very few options to make significant upgrades.

Only way I see up getting a lot better next year is by incremental growth. (assuming we don't get Kawhi).

This means 1 or 2 upgrades in new players we add in free agency or trades, and another 3-4 וupgrades with inner growth, guys like Herro, Bam, Duncan, KZ, Precious becoming better players.

Not out of the realm of possibilities. Got to keep growing and keep monitoring the market. Bam improving alone makes a big difference. It was the difference in beating the Bucks.

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[contract]

very tough spot we're in.

High expectations, very few options to make significant upgrades.

Only way I see up getting a lot better next year is by incremental growth. (assuming we don't get Kawhi).

This means 1 or 2 upgrades in new players we add in free agency or trades, and another 3-4 וupgrades with inner growth, guys like Herro, Bam, Duncan, KZ, Precious becoming better players.

But at the same time Dragic and Ariza are a year older and declining further ... while Iggy is dead. That's 3 rotation guys that need upgrading in addition to the holes that need to be filled.

[Wiltside]

Random thought. I’ve been focusing on Kawhi because he’s one of my fav non-Heat players, but if they flame out and PG is on the block...

Sign Lowry, trade for PG

Lowry
Robinson
George
Butler
Adebayo

Not bad, not bad.

[contract]

very tough spot we're in.

High expectations, very few options to make significant upgrades.

Only way I see up getting a lot better next year is by incremental growth. (assuming we don't get Kawhi).

This means 1 or 2 upgrades in new players we add in free agency or trades, and another 3-4 וupgrades with inner growth, guys like Herro, Bam, Duncan, KZ, Precious becoming better players.

Not out of the realm of possibilities. Got to keep growing and keep monitoring the market. Bam improving alone makes a big difference. It was the difference in beating the Bucks.

Bam improving would help because it would give us 2 perennial all star caliber players, but those two would still be surrounded by ruins if we don't get improvements/upgrades at multiple spots in our rotation including a couple of quality starters. We really need to replace all the > 32 year olds. That's like 1/3 of our roster and 1/3 of our rotation players.

[contract]

Random thought. I’ve been focusing on Kawhi because he’s one of my fav non-Heat players, but if they flame out and PG is on the block...

Sign Lowry, trade for PG

Lowry
Robinson
George
Butler
Adebayo

Not bad, not bad.

Trade for PG how? And that team still possibly leaves us needing to replace Lowry next season. Life comes at you fast in the NBA when you're > 34. At that point any year can be your last useful one.

[twix2500]

very tough spot we're in.

High expectations, very few options to make significant upgrades.

Only way I see up getting a lot better next year is by incremental growth. (assuming we don't get Kawhi).

This means 1 or 2 upgrades in new players we add in free agency or trades, and another 3-4 וupgrades with inner growth, guys like Herro, Bam, Duncan, KZ, Precious becoming better players.

Not out of the realm of possibilities. Got to keep growing and keep monitoring the market. Bam improving alone makes a big difference. It was the difference in beating the Bucks.

Bam improving would help because it would give us 2 perennial all star caliber players, but those two would still be surrounded by ruins if we don't get improvements/upgrades at multiple spots in our rotation including a couple of quality starters. We really need to replace all the > 32 year olds. That's like 1/3 of our roster and 1/3 of our rotation players.

If Bam improves the role players improve. The Heat relied too much on the role players to make plays for the stars. Its supposed to be the other way around. Why are we depending on Ariza to score 20?

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[contract]

Not out of the realm of possibilities. Got to keep growing and keep monitoring the market. Bam improving alone makes a big difference. It was the difference in beating the Bucks.

Bam improving would help because it would give us 2 perennial all star caliber players, but those two would still be surrounded by ruins if we don't get improvements/upgrades at multiple spots in our rotation including a couple of quality starters. We really need to replace all the > 32 year olds. That's like 1/3 of our roster and 1/3 of our rotation players.

If Bam improves the role players improve. The Heat relied too much on the role players to make plays for the stars. Its supposed to be the other way around. Why are we depending on Ariza to score 20?

Because Bam won't shoot wide open 12 footers.

[dagger151]

Bam really looked pedestrian in the playoff this year. Not at all like a max player. He needs to shoot that midrange more, he can make those and keep his defenders honest. The Bucks were giving it to him all day and he would pass out of it too often. Its been said here numerous times, our young guys need to improve. We dont have first round picks for a while, so Bam, Herro, and Precious need to take the next step. Look at how the Suns young guys are improving. Part of that is the CP3 effec tho.

Go get Lowry, Jimmy becomes happy and renewed and we then have a floor general to help these young guys level up and play as they were drafted to. Anything can happen in a season, tons of injuries this year. The Nets are likely toast now when they were practically a lock to reach the finals. The Heat, with a few breaks and solid additions can make the finals again. All you can hope for, nothing is a given in this league.

[Wiltside]

Random thought. I’ve been focusing on Kawhi because he’s one of my fav non-Heat players, but if they flame out and PG is on the block...

Sign Lowry, trade for PG

Lowry
Robinson
George
Butler
Adebayo

Not bad, not bad.

Trade for PG how? And that team still possibly leaves us needing to replace Lowry next season. Life comes at you fast in the NBA when you're > 34. At that point any year can be your last useful one.

NFI - I’m assuming the usual trade chips that are put up whenever a star is in play. Picks, Herro, Achiuwa, Dragic, etc etc.