2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3

[Marty McFly]

I've seen some highlights of the top prospects in this draft, and sure it's not totally telling of the talent, but I think this team needs to find a way to trade up into the top 2. they legit need to offer someone a grandfather deal everyone should be available including the cap space to take on bad contracts, cause lets be real, the knicks aren't signing any big time talent with all that cap space.

The only player on the roster that probably put us over in a package to acquire a top 2 pick is Barrett

[bleedblue3303]

I've seen some highlights of the top prospects in this draft, and sure it's not totally telling of the talent, but I think this team needs to find a way to trade up into the top 2. they legit need to offer someone a grandfather deal everyone should be available including the cap space to take on bad contracts, cause lets be real, the knicks aren't signing any big time talent with all that cap space.

The only player on the roster that probably put us over in a package to acquire a top 2 pick is Barrett

For Cade, Suggs or Green I would consider moving Barrett

[8516knicks]

The only player on the roster that probably put us over in a package to acquire a top 2 pick is Barrett

For Cade, Suggs or Green I would consider moving Barrett

Not nearly enough. No other team would consider Barrett or any other Knick a "franchise" player and our picks are just middle-of-the-road crapshoots. We have no choice but to hope we get lucky, but no other team with a guaranteed top 3/4 pick in this draft will take on those odds.

[DaGawd]

It’s a risky proposition to say the least… the FO would have to be sure Cade Suggs Green or Kuminga are def sure fire all stars from day 1 to make a deal like that. That could get you fired if they turn out to be bust. Barrett at least appears to be a really high end role player if he keeps developing at his current pace

[Marty McFly]

The only player on the roster that probably put us over in a package to acquire a top 2 pick is Barrett

For Cade, Suggs or Green I would consider moving Barrett

I want Green. Bad...

[8516knicks]

It’s a risky proposition to say the least… the FO would have to be sure Cade Suggs Green or Kuminga are def sure fire all stars from day 1 to make a deal like that. That could get you fired if they turn out to be bust. Barrett at least appears to be a really high end role player if he keeps developing at his current pace

"Cade Suggs Green or Kuminga" One of these is not like the others. (hint:K)

[Marty McFly]

For Cade, Suggs or Green I would consider moving Barrett

Not nearly enough. No other team would consider Barrett or any other Knick a "franchise" player and our picks are just middle-of-the-road crapshoots. We have no choice but to hope we get lucky, but no other team with a guaranteed top 3/4 pick in this draft will take on those odds.

I'm trading future first round picks too. the knicks are not lucky in free agency, and they're always a bridesmaid in the draft when they're bad enough to have a high pick. No Towns, no Zion, No Morant. Might as well treat an as-of-yet to be draft pick like a Star player and trade for him.

[8516knicks]

For Cade, Suggs or Green I would consider moving Barrett

Not nearly enough. No other team would consider Barrett or any other Knick a "franchise" player and our picks are just middle-of-the-road crapshoots. We have no choice but to hope we get lucky, but no other team with a guaranteed top 3/4 pick in this draft will take on those odds.

I'm trading future first round picks too. the knicks are not lucky in free agency, and they're always a bridesmaid in the draft when they're bad enough to have a high pick. No Towns, no Zion, No Morant. Might as well treat an as-of-yet to be draft pick like a Star player and trade for him.

I don't disagree with you from the standpoint of the Knicks WANTING that, but if you're the other team, and not complete morons, there's no way you trade a GOOD pick in a Good draft for a Knicks pick or combo of future picks (and moderately decent players, even JR) anytime this forseeable decade (if not century) now that tanking is off the table (both with Thibs and with the revamed lotto odds). Best case you get Kuminga and he turns into Kwame Brown.

[Jeff Van Gully]

not overlooking his flaws, but man... kid is a bucket. you have to wonder if maybe coming to a thibs team could get him straightened out on the other end. but if he's not a thibs player, he's not a thibs player.

https://theknickswall.com/2021-knicks-draft-profiles-cameron-thomas-could-be-much-needed-offensive-spark-plug/

if the knicks call his name on draft night, i'd say watch out. if they believe in a scorer like this, could be good things.

[damedash09]

not overlooking his flaws, but man... kid is a bucket. you have to wonder if maybe coming to a thibs team could get him straightened out on the other end. but if he's not a thibs player, he's not a thibs player.

https://theknickswall.com/2021-knicks-draft-profiles-cameron-thomas-could-be-much-needed-offensive-spark-plug/

if the knicks call his name on draft night, i'd say watch out. if they believe in a scorer like this, could be good things.

Seems like a lou williams clone

Future 6th man

[EMG518]

We are not trading for a top pick, everyone can stop day dreaming. It's not reality.

Can we move up, sure. Is it worth it, depends on who we are targeting and how the order shakes out.

[aggo]

We are not trading for a top pick, everyone can stop day dreaming. It's not reality.

Can we move up, sure. Is it worth it, depends on who we are targeting and how the order shakes out.

yes the only way moving up makes sense is if someone like Halliburton fell in this draft and a team was willing.

It's not always gonna be the case even if we wanted to move up that someone is going to be willing to deal. In our scenario we both need a player were targeting to drop and a team willing to move down

[mpharris36]

not overlooking his flaws, but man... kid is a bucket. you have to wonder if maybe coming to a thibs team could get him straightened out on the other end. but if he's not a thibs player, he's not a thibs player.

https://theknickswall.com/2021-knicks-draft-profiles-cameron-thomas-could-be-much-needed-offensive-spark-plug/

if the knicks call his name on draft night, i'd say watch out. if they believe in a scorer like this, could be good things.

Seems like a lou williams clone

Future 6th man

I was about to say. His game is so smooth/bucket getter, he loves his step back jumper, and gets to the FT line at a ridiculous clip.

[Jeff Van Gully]

not overlooking his flaws, but man... kid is a bucket. you have to wonder if maybe coming to a thibs team could get him straightened out on the other end. but if he's not a thibs player, he's not a thibs player.

https://theknickswall.com/2021-knicks-draft-profiles-cameron-thomas-could-be-much-needed-offensive-spark-plug/

if the knicks call his name on draft night, i'd say watch out. if they believe in a scorer like this, could be good things.

Seems like a lou williams clone

Future 6th man

I was about to say. His game is so smooth/bucket getter, he loves his step back jumper, and gets to the FT line at a ridiculous clip.

he got that real scoring talent

[mpharris36]

Seems like a lou williams clone

Future 6th man

I was about to say. His game is so smooth/bucket getter, he loves his step back jumper, and gets to the FT line at a ridiculous clip.

he got that real scoring talent

I do wonder what he is going to test in terms of his measurements. I'm curious to know what his wingspan will be. That could determine if he ends up more 6th man type or could potentially shift to a starting 2 guard. But he will have value regardless because he is a professional bucket getter.

We do have IQ though who's game is pretty similar to Cam so I'm not sure he is a fit with us. Chris Duarte could be an interesting prospect for us since he is an elite guy of the catch and movement shooter while someone like Cam Thomas does most of his damage off the bounce.

Duarte would be a nice replacement if we lose Bullock in FA.

[louisorr]

We are not trading for a top pick, everyone can stop day dreaming. It's not reality.

Can we move up, sure. Is it worth it, depends on who we are targeting and how the order shakes out.

For reference: Past #2 picks just off the top...
Wayman Tisdale, Armen Gilliam, Hasheem Thabeet, Marvin Williams, Marvin Bagley, Emeka Okafor, Darko Milicic, Lonzo Ball,
The top 5 is nothing guaranteed. Can't gut the team for an unproven kid. Honestly go look at Lonzo's UCLA highlight reel next to Cade's college tape and tell me who goes first. Rj looks good, and sometimes that is ok.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I was about to say. His game is so smooth/bucket getter, he loves his step back jumper, and gets to the FT line at a ridiculous clip.

he got that real scoring talent

I do wonder what he is going to test in terms of his measurements. I'm curious to know what his wingspan will be. That could determine if he ends up more 6th man type or could potentially shift to a starting 2 guard. But he will have value regardless because he is a professional bucket getter.

We do have IQ though who's game is pretty similar to Cam so I'm not sure he is a fit with us. Chris Duarte could be an interesting prospect for us since he is an elite guy of the catch and movement shooter while someone like Cam Thomas does most of his damage off the bounce.

Duarte would be a nice replacement if we lose Bullock in FA.

i've been keeping an eye on duarte for a while now. i think there are overall better prospects by 21, but wouldn't be shocked if someone believed.

i don't see why thomas couldn't do catch and shoot just because it's not what he did at LSU. they kind of needed him to make stuff happen off the dribble.

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[mpharris36]

he got that real scoring talent

I do wonder what he is going to test in terms of his measurements. I'm curious to know what his wingspan will be. That could determine if he ends up more 6th man type or could potentially shift to a starting 2 guard. But he will have value regardless because he is a professional bucket getter.

We do have IQ though who's game is pretty similar to Cam so I'm not sure he is a fit with us. Chris Duarte could be an interesting prospect for us since he is an elite guy of the catch and movement shooter while someone like Cam Thomas does most of his damage off the bounce.

Duarte would be a nice replacement if we lose Bullock in FA.

i've been keeping an eye on duarte for a while now. i think there are overall better prospects by 21, but wouldn't be shocked if someone believed.

i don't see why thomas couldn't do catch and shoot just because it's not what he did at LSU. they kind of needed him to make stuff happen off the dribble.

Yes agreed, I think there are better prospects (especially younger). But in terms of doing something very well like off ball and movement shooting I could see the fit since you can run him off double screens or flare screens. I think in terms of overall potential especially in terms of shot creation a guy like Thomas is better.

I would caution whether that is always the best though and sometimes the solid C&S guy is the right guy for what you need them to do. There were a few including me who were high on Desmond Bane last year but people questioned his upside because of his age and lack of shooting off the dribble. But all he did was play 22 MPG for Memphis scoring over 9pts a game and 43.2% from 3 as a rookie. I think in terms of production early you may see similar production early in Duarte.

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