GT: Nets @ Bucks Game 4 - 06/13/21 3pm EST

[Prokorov]

We need an actual goon on our roster. There's no way we shouldn't be hammering these **** ers in the paint with the way Durant is getting knocked around and how Giannis injured Kyrie. I'm so pissed right now, I hope Blake starts to get in that mode.

This is nonsense.

Giannis play on Kyrie wasnt dirty. you want to say its a flagrant the way the league is so strict on policing players getting under a players feet? sure. Giannis is coming in, eyes on the room, clearly looking to get into position for a rebound. the dude is super long. he didnt like purposefully slide under him. at WORST, it is an irresponsible play by Giannis, even thats a stretch.

Also, the idea we should be "hammering" guys is just silly. We arent some big physical team. no need to show frustration and get outside of what we need to do to still have a prayer of a chance.

It is pretty simple. Nash needs to open his mouth every

Boxing out a man in mid air as he is coming down from a shot attempt is dirty as it gets, what are you talking about?

You want Nash to start throwing chairs and getting kicked out? Fine. But don't sit here and act like what took place yesterday was clean basketball. I haven't seen garbage like that in nearly 25 years. At some point you need to fight back since the refs let the game get out of control

I dont think what Giannis did is anywhere remotely close to dirty.

[LOUiS-D]

And I couldn't give a s*** whether he picked him up and body slammed him on his ankle or whether it was a whoopsie daisy. I've been watching this team for over 20 years and there have been exactly 0 other seasons where we were considered title favorites. At least if Giannis had pulled out a magnum and shot Kai in the ankle there'd be some fking repurcussions.

I can't get over how this happened because some dipsh** wanted to grab the ball to inbound it and there go our championship hopes.

I gotta vent... or drink. this sucks.

Dear Milwaukee. Let us end Middleton's season and we're square.

Scratch that. throw in PJ Tucker too.

The frustrating part is... our big flaw coming into the year was injuries/durability. but we traded for harden who is an ironman, but he goes down for the first time ever.

Nets are cursed

This has nothing to do with injury though. This is straight bs. This is han solo blindly knocking boba fet into the sarlac pit.

[MrDollarBills]

This is nonsense.

Giannis play on Kyrie wasnt dirty. you want to say its a flagrant the way the league is so strict on policing players getting under a players feet? sure. Giannis is coming in, eyes on the room, clearly looking to get into position for a rebound. the dude is super long. he didnt like purposefully slide under him. at WORST, it is an irresponsible play by Giannis, even thats a stretch.

Also, the idea we should be "hammering" guys is just silly. We arent some big physical team. no need to show frustration and get outside of what we need to do to still have a prayer of a chance.

It is pretty simple. Nash needs to open his mouth every

Boxing out a man in mid air as he is coming down from a shot attempt is dirty as it gets, what are you talking about?

You want Nash to start throwing chairs and getting kicked out? Fine. But don't sit here and act like what took place yesterday was clean basketball. I haven't seen garbage like that in nearly 25 years. At some point you need to fight back since the refs let the game get out of control

I dont think what Giannis did is anywhere remotely close to dirty.

BRO. Undercutting a vulnerable player is the dirtiest play in the sport, are you kidding me? That was a flagrant foul 1 at bare minimum, you are taught in grade school to never do that to someone. You don't try to box a guy out while he's in mid air, it doesn't matter what Giannis' intent was, you don't do that. Ever.

Giannis is getting a pass, I can only imagine the kind of vitriol would be spewed our way if Kyrie took him out in the same way.

[Gooner]

no chance. not with nash coaching.

The problem is that D'Antoni will likely leave after this season and Nash will be even more exposed. It was that Harden-D'Antoni system that gave the Nets most success this season. But hey, KD wanted Nash so... now he has to rely on him.

Honestly, i think D;Antoni is part of the issue. too stubborn. no adjustments. And really his blueprint is something anyone can follow now. tons of credit for him changing the game and how teams play, but he really doesnt have much in game coaching skills, more a philosiphy.

I think you can probably get more out of our offense with someone else.

Nash doesn't have anything, that's the problem. I think Jacque Vaughn would have been a good coach for Nets, ball movement looked good in the bubble.

[Gooner]

Boxing out a man in mid air as he is coming down from a shot attempt is dirty as it gets, what are you talking about?

You want Nash to start throwing chairs and getting kicked out? Fine. But don't sit here and act like what took place yesterday was clean basketball. I haven't seen garbage like that in nearly 25 years. At some point you need to fight back since the refs let the game get out of control

I dont think what Giannis did is anywhere remotely close to dirty.

BRO. Undercutting a vulnerable player is the dirtiest play in the sport, are you kidding me? That was a flagrant foul 1 at bare minimum, you are taught in grade school to never do that to someone. You don't try to box a guy out while he's in mid air, it doesn't matter what Giannis' intent was, you don't do that. Ever.

Giannis is getting a pass, I can only imagine the kind of vitriol would be spewed our way if Kyrie took him out in the same way.

I don't kno if Giannis did it on purpose but these types of playes are too wild.

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[andrewww]

The one rule that overrides the boxing out part is that a player must always allow a shooter to land. This time it happened to be in close by the basket instead of by 3 pt line, but its still a foul and these r called flagrants in todays league. Its a reckless play.

Its a play that you could say falls under a “grey” area where Giannis was trying to box out while simultaneously “forgetting” that Kyrie had to be treated like a “shooter” and not someone he’s fighting for a rebound. Next time someone who is fan favorite gets injured the exact same way on a close range shot I better not hear complaints that it was just a “basketball play” as though its ok to forget to give a shooter space to land.

I also get those saying guys box out like that all the time down low but if you subscribe to that theory, then Kyrie was simply very unfortunate. Perhaps Im not unbiased enough of this incident to give a fully objective take.

The giving a player space to lane applies outside of the box. Kyrie was inside the box.

If they called that a foul Giannis would get it every time he goes up for a dunk.

Sucks for Kyrie, but **** happens

I checked the official NBA rule book online. Your quote was directly under the "block/charge" section. There was no official rule stating whether a shooter should be allowed landing space when its in close to the basket.

https://ak-static.cms.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2021/02/2020-21-NBA-Official-Rules.pdf

A defensive player is not permitted to move into the path of an offensive player once he
has started his upward motion to attempt a field goal or pass.

A defensive player must allow a moving player the opportunity to avoid contact when
the offensive player receives a pass outside the lower defensive box.

A defensive player must allow an airborne player who receives a pass the space to land
when the offensive player is inside the lower defensive box.

[MrDollarBills]

The one rule that overrides the boxing out part is that a player must always allow a shooter to land. This time it happened to be in close by the basket instead of by 3 pt line, but its still a foul and these r called flagrants in todays league. Its a reckless play.

Its a play that you could say falls under a “grey” area where Giannis was trying to box out while simultaneously “forgetting” that Kyrie had to be treated like a “shooter” and not someone he’s fighting for a rebound. Next time someone who is fan favorite gets injured the exact same way on a close range shot I better not hear complaints that it was just a “basketball play” as though its ok to forget to give a shooter space to land.

I also get those saying guys box out like that all the time down low but if you subscribe to that theory, then Kyrie was simply very unfortunate. Perhaps Im not unbiased enough of this incident to give a fully objective take.

The giving a player space to lane applies outside of the box. Kyrie was inside the box.

If they called that a foul Giannis would get it every time he goes up for a dunk.

Sucks for Kyrie, but **** happens

I checked the official NBA rule book online. Your quote was directly under the "block/charge" section. There was no official rule stating whether a shooter should be allowed landing space when its in close to the basket.

https://ak-static.cms.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2021/02/2020-21-NBA-Official-Rules.pdf

A defensive player is permitted to establish a legal guarding position in the path of a
dribbler regardless of his speed and distance.
A defensive player is not permitted to move into the path of an offensive player once he
has started his upward motion to attempt a field goal or pass.
A defensive player must allow a moving player the opportunity to avoid contact when
the offensive player receives a pass outside the lower defensive box. The lower defensive box
is the area between the 3-foot posted-up marks, the bottom tip of the circle and the endline.
- 64 -
A defensive player must allow an airborne player the opportunity to land and then avoid
contact when the offensive player is outside the lower defensive box.
A defensive player is permitted to establish a legal guarding position in the path of an
offensive player who receives a pass inside the lower defensive box regardless of his speed
and distance.
A defensive player must allow an airborne player who receives a pass the space to land
when the offensive player is inside the lower defensive box.
A player must allow a moving opponent without the ball the opportunity to avoid
contact if he moves into his path.

A defensive player must allow an airborne player the opportunity to land and then avoid
contact when the offensive player is outside the lower defensive box.

You have people on this site really sitting here saying that undercutting players that are in mid air is a legal basketball play.

[andrewww]

The giving a player space to lane applies outside of the box. Kyrie was inside the box.

If they called that a foul Giannis would get it every time he goes up for a dunk.

Sucks for Kyrie, but **** happens

I checked the official NBA rule book online. Your quote was directly under the "block/charge" section. There was no official rule stating whether a shooter should be allowed landing space when its in close to the basket.

https://ak-static.cms.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2021/02/2020-21-NBA-Official-Rules.pdf

A defensive player is permitted to establish a legal guarding position in the path of a
dribbler regardless of his speed and distance.
A defensive player is not permitted to move into the path of an offensive player once he
has started his upward motion to attempt a field goal or pass.
A defensive player must allow a moving player the opportunity to avoid contact when
the offensive player receives a pass outside the lower defensive box. The lower defensive box
is the area between the 3-foot posted-up marks, the bottom tip of the circle and the endline.
- 64 -
A defensive player must allow an airborne player the opportunity to land and then avoid
contact when the offensive player is outside the lower defensive box.
A defensive player is permitted to establish a legal guarding position in the path of an
offensive player who receives a pass inside the lower defensive box regardless of his speed
and distance.
A defensive player must allow an airborne player who receives a pass the space to land
when the offensive player is inside the lower defensive box.
A player must allow a moving opponent without the ball the opportunity to avoid
contact if he moves into his path.

A defensive player must allow an airborne player the opportunity to land and then avoid
contact when the offensive player is outside the lower defensive box.

You have people on this site really sitting here saying that undercutting players that are in mid air is a legal basketball play.

They are looking at it from the POV that Giannis was attempting to box out. While that may indeed be true, the question is what takes precedence? Boxing out with impunity? Or allowing the offensive player to land?

The official NBA rule book doesnt 100% clearly state anything about the Zaza rule but the few snippets indicate the defensive player must allow the offensive player to land while airborne.

[andrewww]

Let me add this:

I was playing pick up ball on the playground yesterday. If this was a play done during a pick up game where players call our own fouls, would I attempt to "box out" a player in mid air like Giannis did and get away with no foul called?

My answer is, I wouldn't box out like that if I wasn't going to expect it to cause a fist fight.

[3pt_chucker]

Let me add this:

I was playing pick up ball on the playground yesterday. If this was a play done during a pick up game where players call our own fouls, would I attempt to "box out" a player in mid air like Giannis did and get away with no foul called?

My answer is, I wouldn't box out like that if I wasn't going to expect it to cause a fist fight.

It was a dirty play. He might not intended to get Kyrie hurt but he wasn't exactly trying to avoid it either. Slid right under his landing area.

[3pt_chucker]

Things like this make me like Kyrie even more and really hurts this happened to him

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[CalamityX12]

Enough is enough Joe Harris, you got to carry the scoring load... shoot your shots and if it ain't going in, grow a pair and attack the rim....

Come on Joe, you NEED to step up offensively. Your lack on contribution can't go any further

[Prokorov]

Boxing out a man in mid air as he is coming down from a shot attempt is dirty as it gets, what are you talking about?

You want Nash to start throwing chairs and getting kicked out? Fine. But don't sit here and act like what took place yesterday was clean basketball. I haven't seen garbage like that in nearly 25 years. At some point you need to fight back since the refs let the game get out of control

I dont think what Giannis did is anywhere remotely close to dirty.

BRO. Undercutting a vulnerable player is the dirtiest play in the sport, are you kidding me? That was a flagrant foul 1 at bare minimum, you are taught in grade school to never do that to someone. You don't try to box a guy out while he's in mid air, it doesn't matter what Giannis' intent was, you don't do that. Ever.

Giannis is getting a pass, I can only imagine the kind of vitriol would be spewed our way if Kyrie took him out in the same way.

of course intent matters, to say otherwise is silly.

Giannis didnt hip check him or box him out in mid air, he positioned himself for the rebound and his foot slid underneath kyrie in the process. maybe it was a flagrant. but alot of non-dirty stuff is classified a flagrant

[andrewww]

I dont think what Giannis did is anywhere remotely close to dirty.

BRO. Undercutting a vulnerable player is the dirtiest play in the sport, are you kidding me? That was a flagrant foul 1 at bare minimum, you are taught in grade school to never do that to someone. You don't try to box a guy out while he's in mid air, it doesn't matter what Giannis' intent was, you don't do that. Ever.

Giannis is getting a pass, I can only imagine the kind of vitriol would be spewed our way if Kyrie took him out in the same way.

of course intent matters, to say otherwise is silly.

Giannis didnt hip check him or box him out in mid air, he positioned himself for the rebound and his foot slid underneath kyrie in the process. maybe it was a flagrant. but alot of non-dirty stuff is classified a flagrant

Whether it was intentional or not, that's a foul because he's not trying to box out another player in Kyrie who is attempting to grab a rebound. Kyrie is a shooter in this case.

[MrDollarBills]

I checked the official NBA rule book online. Your quote was directly under the "block/charge" section. There was no official rule stating whether a shooter should be allowed landing space when its in close to the basket.

https://ak-static.cms.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2021/02/2020-21-NBA-Official-Rules.pdf

A defensive player is permitted to establish a legal guarding position in the path of a
dribbler regardless of his speed and distance.
A defensive player is not permitted to move into the path of an offensive player once he
has started his upward motion to attempt a field goal or pass.
A defensive player must allow a moving player the opportunity to avoid contact when
the offensive player receives a pass outside the lower defensive box. The lower defensive box
is the area between the 3-foot posted-up marks, the bottom tip of the circle and the endline.
- 64 -
A defensive player must allow an airborne player the opportunity to land and then avoid
contact when the offensive player is outside the lower defensive box.
A defensive player is permitted to establish a legal guarding position in the path of an
offensive player who receives a pass inside the lower defensive box regardless of his speed
and distance.
A defensive player must allow an airborne player who receives a pass the space to land
when the offensive player is inside the lower defensive box.
A player must allow a moving opponent without the ball the opportunity to avoid
contact if he moves into his path.

A defensive player must allow an airborne player the opportunity to land and then avoid
contact when the offensive player is outside the lower defensive box.

You have people on this site really sitting here saying that undercutting players that are in mid air is a legal basketball play.

They are looking at it from the POV that Giannis was attempting to box out. While that may indeed be true, the question is what takes precedence? Boxing out with impunity? Or allowing the offensive player to land?

The official NBA rule book doesnt 100% clearly state anything about the Zaza rule but the few snippets indicate the defensive player must allow the offensive player to land while airborne.

Anyone who thinks that they can legally box out a man while he is in mid air is more than welcome to go to a local court and try it. You do that crap where I came from you had better know how to fight.

Which is why I'm really disappointed at how soft the Nets are for not making Giannis pay for what he did. Body check his ass on the way to the rim. You can't let stuff like that slide.

For as bad as he played at least Joe Harris was willing to lay the lumber on someone.

[MrDollarBills]

I dont think what Giannis did is anywhere remotely close to dirty.

BRO. Undercutting a vulnerable player is the dirtiest play in the sport, are you kidding me? That was a flagrant foul 1 at bare minimum, you are taught in grade school to never do that to someone. You don't try to box a guy out while he's in mid air, it doesn't matter what Giannis' intent was, you don't do that. Ever.

Giannis is getting a pass, I can only imagine the kind of vitriol would be spewed our way if Kyrie took him out in the same way.

of course intent matters, to say otherwise is silly.

Giannis didnt hip check him or box him out in mid air, he positioned himself for the rebound and his foot slid underneath kyrie in the process. maybe it was a flagrant. but alot of non-dirty stuff is classified a flagrant

Positioning yourself for a rebound against a shooting player is a dirty play. He gave Kyrie no room to land. Go and do that in a gym dude, what do you think happens after that?

You must be kidding me.

[LOUiS-D]

can we pause and reflect on how this was such an egregious intrusion of a shooter's landing space that Giannis takes out Kai's outer foot. Kai's nearer thigh goes over Giannis' knee. Heel to heel I can buy. When you f*** up so badly it's because you're dirty or the clumsiest mf on the court and a genuine danger to others. GTFO here.

[Hello Brooklyn]

It looks like Harden might push to play tomorrow.

If hes close then why not try out. 70% of Harden would be way better than Mike James.

But if Harden needs a few more days he can always come back for Game 6. And then try to win the last 2.

Tough call. I think Kyrie is out for the series no matter what.

[thonnisbeastley]

Lol you guys are pathetic. There was nothing dirty about Giannis' play. He has extremely long/lanky legs and he moved into position for a rebound. Had he gotten there half a second later Kyrie would've landed fine. He's looking at the ball the entire time. There's absolutely zero intent to injure. Definitely not a flagrant. Just an unfortunate incident. Also...Giannis is a foot inside the circle. Do you want the NBA to change the rules so that no one is allowed to move/position for a rebound until the player attacking the basket has landed? What a fun league that would be. Guess you have to assign flagrants to all the moving blocks Giannis got called for a charge on as well, since they are intentionally moving into his space with the intent of knocking him down.

For those that want to objectively give Giannis a retroactive flagrant 1, remind yourselves that you then need to give Joe Harris a retroactive flagrant 2 and suspend him from game 5 for his foul on Pat Connaughton.

KD, Harden, and Kyrie played what? 8 games together during the regular season? If you thought they'd magically all remain healthy throughout the playoffs you were kidding yourselves. Team is fragile. PJ living rent free in Durant's head right now.

[DarkXaero]

Lol you guys are pathetic. There was nothing dirty about Giannis' play. He has extremely long/lanky legs and he moved into position for a rebound. Had he gotten there half a second later Kyrie would've landed fine. He's looking at the ball the entire time. There's absolutely zero intent to injure. Definitely not a flagrant. Just an unfortunate incident. Also...Giannis is a foot inside the circle. Do you want the NBA to change the rules so that no one is allowed to move/position for a rebound until the player attacking the basket has landed? What a fun league that would be. Guess you have to assign flagrants to all the moving blocks Giannis got called for a charge on as well, since they are intentionally moving into his space with the intent of knocking him down.

For those that want to objectively give Giannis a retroactive flagrant 1, remind yourselves that you then need to give Joe Harris a retroactive flagrant 2 and suspend him from game 5 for his foul on Pat Connaughton.

KD, Harden, and Kyrie played what? 8 games together during the regular season? If you thought they'd magically all remain healthy throughout the playoffs you were kidding yourselves. Team is fragile. PJ living rent free in Durant's head right now.

GTFO here with this garbage. Yall sure weren't puffing your chests when you were humiliated after game 2. Now that Nets are down 2 of their 3 stars, you're brave enough to show your face here. FOH.