2020-2021 College/Draft Thread Part 3

3toheadmelo · Post #921 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:14 pm

Looks like Bones Hyland had his workout with the Knicks today via his IG story. Even tagged IQ in it

HEZI · Post #922 » by **HEZI** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:35 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
I was about to say. His game is so smooth/bucket getter, he loves his step back jumper, and gets to the FT line at a ridiculous clip.

he got that real scoring talent

I do wonder what he is going to test in terms of his measurements. I'm curious to know what his wingspan will be. That could determine if he ends up more 6th man type or could potentially shift to a starting 2 guard. But he will have value regardless because he is a professional bucket getter.

We do have IQ though who's game is pretty similar to Cam so I'm not sure he is a fit with us. Chris Duarte could be an interesting prospect for us since he is an elite guy of the catch and movement shooter while someone like Cam Thomas does most of his damage off the bounce.

Duarte would be a nice replacement if we lose Bullock in FA.

I like Duarte and think he would be a really nice pickup for us. But he's opted out of the camp invite and rumors are he might have a promise.

Post #923 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:46 pm

HEZI wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
he got that real scoring talent

I do wonder what he is going to test in terms of his measurements. I'm curious to know what his wingspan will be. That could determine if he ends up more 6th man type or could potentially shift to a starting 2 guard. But he will have value regardless because he is a professional bucket getter.

We do have IQ though who's game is pretty similar to Cam so I'm not sure he is a fit with us. Chris Duarte could be an interesting prospect for us since he is an elite guy of the catch and movement shooter while someone like Cam Thomas does most of his damage off the bounce.

Duarte would be a nice replacement if we lose Bullock in FA.

I like Duarte and think he would be a really nice pickup for us. But he's opted out of the camp invite and rumors are he might have a promise.

oh for sure he's a 1st round. We would have to use 19 or 21 on him which I think is an acceptable range.

I've seen a lot of big boards that have in that early 20ish range.

Post #924 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:58 pm

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melo is about to freak out

TheGreenArrow · Post #925 » by **TheGreenArrow** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:20 pm

More and more man……

Bj Boston folks Bj Boston!!!!!!!!!!

cgf · Post #926 » by **cgf** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:30 am

mpharris36 wrote:

Read on Twitter

melo is about to freak out

Bouknight & Bones bout to be the best backcourt in the east!

Fat · Post #927 » by **Fat** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:15 am

Knicks gonna take dosunmu IMO just seems like the perfect fit for thibs.

DowNY · Post #928 » by **DowNY** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:53 am

Man...I’m hoping we trade up for Bouknight but I can see Thibs loving Davion Mitchell. Especially because he can play PG & has elite perimeter defense to put on someone like Trae Young.

If we do trade up, hopefully it’s more of a 19+32+ future picks &/or a player. That way we can still grab a scoring wing at 21. Ayo or Cam Thomas.

DowNY · Post #929 » by **DowNY** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:58 am

Angryfatboy wrote:Knicks gonna take dosunmu IMO just seems like the perfect fit for thibs.

I hope so. I like him more than someone like Davion Mitchell offensively and playmaking wise. Dude can snake, has handle, height. I hope he don’t shoot up draft boards. ESPN recently updated their big board and he’s in the top 20. Think he’s mocked to us at 19 actually,

I know the rumor now is the Knicks want to trade up for more proven ready talent but I think we can get proven ready guys at both 19 & 21. Draft is that deep. Once the workouts happen and all that combine visits and stuff flow through, I think our picks will get more value because teams in the mid to late lottery will wanna move back for a chance at more guys. PLUS we got 32.
Own fans undervaluing the picks but we’re in great shape.

If we don’t trade up for a pure scorer like Bouknight, get me Ayo at 19 or 21 and then draft another scoring wing cause Ayo can run Point. Go into the summer in business. Not in panic mode because worst case with the PG position, we bring Rose back to start and Ayo be the backup.

Marty McFly · Post #930 » by **Marty McFly** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:03 am

EMG518 wrote:We are not trading for a top pick, everyone can stop day dreaming. It's not reality.

Can we move up, sure. Is it worth it, depends on who we are targeting and how the order shakes out.

reported for backseat Modding.

WargamesX · Post #931 » by **WargamesX** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:49 am

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aq_ua · Post #932 » by **aq_ua** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:54 am

DowNY wrote:
Angryfatboy wrote:Knicks gonna take dosunmu IMO just seems like the perfect fit for thibs.

I hope so. I like him more than someone like Davion Mitchell offensively and playmaking wise. Dude can snake, has handle, height. I hope he don’t shoot up draft boards. ESPN recently updated their big board and he’s in the top 20. Think he’s mocked to us at 19 actually,

I know the rumor now is the Knicks want to trade up for more proven ready talent but I think we can get proven ready guys at both 19 & 21. Draft is that deep. Once the workouts happen and all that combine visits and stuff flow through, I think our picks will get more value because teams in the mid to late lottery will wanna move back for a chance at more guys. PLUS we got 32.
Own fans undervaluing the picks but we’re in great shape.

If we don’t trade up for a pure scorer like Bouknight, get me Ayo at 19 or 21 and then draft another scoring wing cause Ayo can run Point. Go into the summer in business. Not in panic mode because worst case with the PG position, we bring Rose back to start and Ayo be the backup.

Ayo Dosunmu, if Frank had a mean streak?

WargamesX · Post #933 » by **WargamesX** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:56 am

A lot of the guys we are bringing in now seem to be mocked around where are second rounder will be. I appreciate the fact they are putting that time in now.

Celo · Post #934 » by **Celo** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:59 am

DowNY wrote:
Angryfatboy wrote:Knicks gonna take dosunmu IMO just seems like the perfect fit for thibs.

I hope so. I like him more than someone like Davion Mitchell offensively and playmaking wise. Dude can snake, has handle, height. I hope he don’t shoot up draft boards. ESPN recently updated their big board and he’s in the top 20. Think he’s mocked to us at 19 actually,

I know the rumor now is the Knicks want to trade up for more proven ready talent but I think we can get proven ready guys at both 19 & 21. Draft is that deep. Once the workouts happen and all that combine visits and stuff flow through, I think our picks will get more value because teams in the mid to late lottery will wanna move back for a chance at more guys. PLUS we got 32.
Own fans undervaluing the picks but we’re in great shape.

If we don’t trade up for a pure scorer like Bouknight, get me Ayo at 19 or 21 and then draft another scoring wing cause Ayo can run Point. Go into the summer in business. Not in panic mode because worst case with the PG position, we bring Rose back to start and Ayo be the backup.

Don't mean to be disrespectful, but have you actually seen full games of Ayo, or just highlight tapes? Because to me, his handle is not a strength but a weakness. Yes, he does have a very nice crossover, but that doesn't equal to a good handle. That is also a reason why I'd bet a healthy amount of money against him being a full time PG. He'd look much better in a role where he can attack a bended D from the weak side. The thing is: This draft offers plenty of combo Gs like this: Tre, Bones, Butler may even count Bouknight as well just to name a few. And while Ayo's probably the best/most versatile defender, I feel like the offensive upside for all of the mentioned players is higher. I've said it before, value wise the best play is probably to get Bones with our early 2nd round pick - if he'll be available ofc. If that's not in play, then my call would be Tre. Because if you wanna talk about someone having a handle, it's him (and Butler ofc, not that I offend his fans in here :lol:

).

HarthorneWingo · Post #935 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:07 am

Are we trading up or not?

WargamesX · Post #936 » by **WargamesX** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:32 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:Are we trading up or not?

Too early to tell it seems they are working out guys who will probably be available with our second round pick

DowNY · Post #937 » by **DowNY** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:20 pm

aq_ua wrote:
DowNY wrote:
Angryfatboy wrote:Knicks gonna take dosunmu IMO just seems like the perfect fit for thibs.

I hope so. I like him more than someone like Davion Mitchell offensively and playmaking wise. Dude can snake, has handle, height. I hope he don’t shoot up draft boards. ESPN recently updated their big board and he’s in the top 20. Think he’s mocked to us at 19 actually,

I know the rumor now is the Knicks want to trade up for more proven ready talent but I think we can get proven ready guys at both 19 & 21. Draft is that deep. Once the workouts happen and all that combine visits and stuff flow through, I think our picks will get more value because teams in the mid to late lottery will wanna move back for a chance at more guys. PLUS we got 32.
Own fans undervaluing the picks but we’re in great shape.

If we don’t trade up for a pure scorer like Bouknight, get me Ayo at 19 or 21 and then draft another scoring wing cause Ayo can run Point. Go into the summer in business. Not in panic mode because worst case with the PG position, we bring Rose back to start and Ayo be the backup.

Ayo Dosunmu, if Frank had a mean streak?

Sure....with an elite mid range NBA pull up, snaking ability, leadership & more basketball talent in general that can actually run an offense.

DowNY · Post #938 » by **DowNY** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:26 pm

Celo wrote:
DowNY wrote:
Angryfatboy wrote:Knicks gonna take dosunmu IMO just seems like the perfect fit for thibs.

I hope so. I like him more than someone like Davion Mitchell offensively and playmaking wise. Dude can snake, has handle, height. I hope he don’t shoot up draft boards. ESPN recently updated their big board and he’s in the top 20. Think he’s mocked to us at 19 actually,

I know the rumor now is the Knicks want to trade up for more proven ready talent but I think we can get proven ready guys at both 19 & 21. Draft is that deep. Once the workouts happen and all that combine visits and stuff flow through, I think our picks will get more value because teams in the mid to late lottery will wanna move back for a chance at more guys. PLUS we got 32.
Own fans undervaluing the picks but we’re in great shape.

If we don’t trade up for a pure scorer like Bouknight, get me Ayo at 19 or 21 and then draft another scoring wing cause Ayo can run Point. Go into the summer in business. Not in panic mode because worst case with the PG position, we bring Rose back to start and Ayo be the backup.

Don't mean to be disrespectful, but have you actually seen full games of Ayo, or just highlight tapes? Because to me, his handle is not a strength but a weakness. Yes, he does have a very nice crossover, but that doesn't equal to a good handle. That is also a reason why I'd bet a healthy amount of money against him being a full time PG. He'd look much better in a role where he can attack a bended D from the weak side. The thing is: This draft offers plenty of combo Gs like this: Tre, Bones, Butler may even count Bouknight as well just to name a few. And while Ayo's probably the best/most versatile defender, I feel like the offensive upside for all of the mentioned players is higher. I've said it before, value wise the best play is probably to get Bones with our early 2nd round pick - if he'll be available ofc. If that's not in play, then my call would be Tre. Because if you wanna talk about someone having a handle, it's him (and Butler ofc, not that I offend his fans in here ).

Sure have. Kid is nice. His handles ain’t the best, sure but he passes the eye test to me & overall as a baller. He’s gonna get buckets. He’s gonna get his team involved. He knows how to snake around defenses, has an elite mid range pull up & he knows how to get to the rim.

Like you said, there’s a bunch of CGs and personally he’s one of my favorites over the others you listed.
All of those guys you listed outside of Bones & Bouknight are mid to me.
Butler & Mann just don’t do it for me. Cool prospects but I don’t like the fit here.
Tre man has no right hand when he drives but you talk about Ayo handles.

https://theathletic.com/2627461/2021/06/03/vecenies-2021-nba-draft-big-board-3-0-five-rising-prospects-and-why-entry-numbers-dont-tell-full-story/

Ayo at 18 here. After workouts, won’t be surprised to hear late lottery rumors.

3toheadmelo · Post #939 » by **3toheadmelo** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:27 pm

Celo wrote:
DowNY wrote:
Angryfatboy wrote:Knicks gonna take dosunmu IMO just seems like the perfect fit for thibs.

I hope so. I like him more than someone like Davion Mitchell offensively and playmaking wise. Dude can snake, has handle, height. I hope he don’t shoot up draft boards. ESPN recently updated their big board and he’s in the top 20. Think he’s mocked to us at 19 actually,

I know the rumor now is the Knicks want to trade up for more proven ready talent but I think we can get proven ready guys at both 19 & 21. Draft is that deep. Once the workouts happen and all that combine visits and stuff flow through, I think our picks will get more value because teams in the mid to late lottery will wanna move back for a chance at more guys. PLUS we got 32.
Own fans undervaluing the picks but we’re in great shape.

If we don’t trade up for a pure scorer like Bouknight, get me Ayo at 19 or 21 and then draft another scoring wing cause Ayo can run Point. Go into the summer in business. Not in panic mode because worst case with the PG position, we bring Rose back to start and Ayo be the backup.

Don't mean to be disrespectful, but have you actually seen full games of Ayo, or just highlight tapes? Because to me, his handle is not a strength but a weakness. Yes, he does have a very nice crossover, but that doesn't equal to a good handle. That is also a reason why I'd bet a healthy amount of money against him being a full time PG. He'd look much better in a role where he can attack a bended D from the weak side. The thing is: This draft offers plenty of combo Gs like this: Tre, Bones, Butler may even count Bouknight as well just to name a few. And while Ayo's probably the best/most versatile defender, I feel like the offensive upside for all of the mentioned players is higher. I've said it before, value wise the best play is probably to get Bones with our early 2nd round pick - if he'll be available ofc. If that's not in play, then my call would be Tre. Because if you wanna talk about someone having a handle, it's him (and Butler ofc, not that I offend his fans in here ).

In my humble opinion, Ayo has a good handle. And yes, I’ve seen full games of his. At least in the games I saw, he was running the point like a true point guard and was able to get anywhere on the court. Bouknight is still my main target but I would be happy with Tre Mann, Ayo Dosunmo as backup options. I’ve started to see some mocks that have Bones going in the first round and I’m thinking maybe we should just take him with the 21st pick just to be safe. If he played in the tournament, his stock would’ve went up massively

DowNY · Post #940 » by **DowNY** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:38 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
Celo wrote:
DowNY wrote:I hope so. I like him more than someone like Davion Mitchell offensively and playmaking wise. Dude can snake, has handle, height. I hope he don’t shoot up draft boards. ESPN recently updated their big board and he’s in the top 20. Think he’s mocked to us at 19 actually,

I know the rumor now is the Knicks want to trade up for more proven ready talent but I think we can get proven ready guys at both 19 & 21. Draft is that deep. Once the workouts happen and all that combine visits and stuff flow through, I think our picks will get more value because teams in the mid to late lottery will wanna move back for a chance at more guys. PLUS we got 32.
Own fans undervaluing the picks but we’re in great shape.

If we don’t trade up for a pure scorer like Bouknight, get me Ayo at 19 or 21 and then draft another scoring wing cause Ayo can run Point. Go into the summer in business. Not in panic mode because worst case with the PG position, we bring Rose back to start and Ayo be the backup.

Don't mean to be disrespectful, but have you actually seen full games of Ayo, or just highlight tapes? Because to me, his handle is not a strength but a weakness. Yes, he does have a very nice crossover, but that doesn't equal to a good handle. That is also a reason why I'd bet a healthy amount of money against him being a full time PG. He'd look much better in a role where he can attack a bended D from the weak side. The thing is: This draft offers plenty of combo Gs like this: Tre, Bones, Butler may even count Bouknight as well just to name a few. And while Ayo's probably the best/most versatile defender, I feel like the offensive upside for all of the mentioned players is higher. I've said it before, value wise the best play is probably to get Bones with our early 2nd round pick - if he'll be available ofc. If that's not in play, then my call would be Tre. Because if you wanna talk about someone having a handle, it's him (and Butler ofc, not that I offend his fans in here ).

In my humble opinion, Ayo has a good handle. And yes, I’ve seen full games of his. At least in the games I saw, he was running the point like a true point guard and was able to get anywhere on the court. Bouknight is still my main target but I would be happy with Tre Mann, Ayo Dosunmo as backup options. I’ve started to see some mocks that have Bones going in the first round and I’m thinking maybe we should just take him with the 21st pick just to be safe. If he played in the tournament, his stock would’ve went up massively

Honestly wouldn’t be mad at Ayo at 19 & Bones at 21.
Shift RJ to the 3 and go after Lonzo, CP3 or bring Rose back.
Rose/Ayo
Bones/IQ

Fast and exciting

Who do you guys want the most assuming all of these players are within our range