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Post #1401 » by **Qwigglez** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:06 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Looks like Nash, Amare, D'Antoni are having about as good of luck/misfortune winning a championship as they did in Phx.

Crazy thought... Nash, Amare, D'Antoni could still be the ones that help gift the Suns a championship in a way.

Barkley6 · Post #1402 » by **Barkley6** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:37 pm

IamBBAnalysis wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
darealjuice wrote:
I'd be a little worried KD would put Ayton on skates. Ayton's a good defender, but he tends to sink a little bit defending the perimeter and you can't give KD an inch. Nothing wrong with giving him more opportunity to protect the rim off-ball by guarding Griffin.

KD is just too tall and long for anyone else. I feel like he would kill anyone else. I haven't watched KD a lot but he doesn't seem nearly as crafty as people who have hurt Ayton like Harden and LaMelo.

I guess you can put Crowder on him but it does seem like Blake shoots 3s too and KD scores a lot inside anyway, and outrebounds Blake too.

REally? I mean KD is too good for anyone really but Bridges seems like he is tall and long enough. He has a very long wingspan. Also Craig would be a good guy. And you mentioned Crowder for physical play. I think the Suns have lots of guys to throw at him. The best thing to do with KD is stay with him and get your hands up. Ayton is NOT the right guy.

KD has height and length, but doesnt really have the weight to make Bridges struggle. Bridges on KD is a no brainer. Paul on Kyrie is a fine matchup. The issue becomes who do you put on Harden? Because Book nor Crowder is the right matchup. It ALMOST makes me wonder if we'd consider starting Craig at the 4 and let him start on KD and Bridges on Harden.

RunDogGun · Post #1403 » by **RunDogGun** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:15 pm

If we were to face the Nets, I could see Monty sticking with our starting group and rely on quick switches. They will be doing screens like crazy anyways to try and get match ups they want.

Barkley6 · Post #1404 » by **Barkley6** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:02 pm

RunDogGun wrote:If we were to face the Nets, I could see Monty sticking with our starting group and rely on quick switches. They will be doing screens like crazy anyways to try and get match ups they want.

I think the problem you'll run into is if you're getting Book, Crowder or Ayton switched onto Kyrie and Harden. Those are matchups we lose. KD isn't the player I'm worried about, Mikal, Craig and Crowder can all have a run at him and make it tough.

But what happens if Brooklyn is having KD screen for Kyrie to get Crowder on Kyrie and Paul on Durant?

Slim Charless · Post #1405 » by **Slim Charless** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:16 pm

Barkley6 wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:If we were to face the Nets, I could see Monty sticking with our starting group and rely on quick switches. They will be doing screens like crazy anyways to try and get match ups they want.

I think the problem you'll run into is if you're getting Book, Crowder or Ayton switched onto Kyrie and Harden. Those are matchups we lose. KD isn't the player I'm worried about, Mikal, Craig and Crowder can all have a run at him and make it tough.

But what happens if Brooklyn is having KD screen for Kyrie to get Crowder on Kyrie and Paul on Durant?

Brooklyn better pray that Harden can come back, cause if he doesn't the Nets have 0.00% of winning this series. Even if they win, I still don't think Kyrie comes back till the Finals. Which is fine since Harden and KD is enough for the Bucks and 76ers...but they need Harden healthy and ready to go ASAP.

Post #1406 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:02 pm

This is good. I hate this. Also I hate when a player takes a bad shot (sometimes just throwing it up) because they think they can get touched or were already touched because it has become the norm, and then when a foul isn't called it just results in a bad shot. Booker does this a bit, and I hate it, not because I blame him since it's the norm and players should take advantage of rules, but they just need to change the rules so players don't do this. I'd rather see good shots and if you get fouled, then get to the line.

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suns12345 · Post #1407 » by **suns12345** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:40 pm

bwgood77 wrote:This is good. I hate this. Also I hate when a player takes a bad shot (sometimes just throwing it up) because they think they can get touched or were already touched because it has become the norm, and then when a foul isn't called it just results in a bad shot. Booker does this a bit, and I hate it, not because I blame him since it's the norm and players should take advantage of rules, but they just need to change the rules so players don't do this. I'd rather see good shots and if you get fouled, then get to the line.

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Agree, however, they also need to continue to call fouls when players do their natural motions even if that means their legs kick out like Crowder or when any player shoots a fadeaway and their legs naturally kick out.

SunsRback4Good · Post #1408 » by **SunsRback4Good** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:43 pm

bwgood77 wrote:This is good. I hate this. Also I hate when a player takes a bad shot (sometimes just throwing it up) because they think they can get touched or were already touched because it has become the norm, and then when a foul isn't called it just results in a bad shot. Booker does this a bit, and I hate it, not because I blame him since it's the norm and players should take advantage of rules, but they just need to change the rules so players don't do this. I'd rather see good shots and if you get fouled, then get to the line.

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Will that actually help much? Guys like Luka, Trae, Harden are magicians who will find ways to get to the line. What's frustrating is the RS calls isn't consistent with playoff call, Harden heads to ft line around 15 times in RS but numbers drop in the playoffs. I wish nba was more consistent but it isn't the case. We'll see what this rule change brings as anything to limit start players from heading more to the line is a success.

Post #1409 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:04 am

Bridges and CP3 both got 1st place votes for All-Defensive team but not enough to make either rosters. Ayton receiving zero votes while CP3 got a healthy share of votes is puzzling when Ayton is far more important to our defense than arguably both CP3 and Bridges.

Nerlens Noel getting 1 2nd place vote despite playing 24mpg is also confusing. Overall I don't really have an issue with the two teams but yeah Ayton not getting an votes is a odd

Post #1410 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:04 am

suns12345 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:This is good. I hate this. Also I hate when a player takes a bad shot (sometimes just throwing it up) because they think they can get touched or were already touched because it has become the norm, and then when a foul isn't called it just results in a bad shot. Booker does this a bit, and I hate it, not because I blame him since it's the norm and players should take advantage of rules, but they just need to change the rules so players don't do this. I'd rather see good shots and if you get fouled, then get to the line.

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Agree, however, they also need to continue to call fouls when players do their natural motions even if that means their legs kick out like Crowder or when any player shoots a fadeaway and their legs naturally kick out.

I don't think so. If your leg grazes someone on a shot because you kick it out, that is not going to impact your shot..unless you were to really kick it out hard and some guy was standing right there with his arms up. Lets face it...a normal shooting motion is not one where your leg kicks out..at least not much. And if the guy is standing there with arms up, not moving, they could also call a charge, but they really shouldn't call anything.

There was another one. Where Book was laying down on the floor like he did against the Clips last year in a recent game, he went up to shoot and some guy barely touched his arm in the air and he fell down. Now that is a foul, but all this falling down on things like that is ridiculous and it happens often when people are not touched. I just think all these habits should be curbed.

Post #1411 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:05 am

SunsRback4Good wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:This is good. I hate this. Also I hate when a player takes a bad shot (sometimes just throwing it up) because they think they can get touched or were already touched because it has become the norm, and then when a foul isn't called it just results in a bad shot. Booker does this a bit, and I hate it, not because I blame him since it's the norm and players should take advantage of rules, but they just need to change the rules so players don't do this. I'd rather see good shots and if you get fouled, then get to the line.

Read on Twitter

Will that actually help much? Guys like Luka, Trae, Harden are magicians who will find ways to get to the line. What's frustrating is the RS calls isn't consistent with playoff call, Harden heads to ft line around 15 times in RS but numbers drop in the playoffs. I wish nba was more consistent but it isn't the case. We'll see what this rule change brings as anything to limit start players from heading more to the line is a success.

Some guys are good at picking up legit fouls. Usually when driving. But all this falling down or jumping into people on pull up shots gets a little ridiculous.

Post #1412 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:09 am

lilfishi22 wrote:Bridges and CP3 both got 1st place votes for All-Defensive team but not enough to make either rosters. Ayton receiving zero votes while CP3 got a healthy share of votes is puzzling when Ayton is far more important to our defense than arguably both CP3 and Bridges.

Nerlens Noel getting 1 2nd place vote despite playing 24mpg is also confusing. Overall I don't really have an issue with the two teams but yeah Ayton not getting an votes is a odd

Man, Bridges missed by 4 pts. And he got as may total votes as Kawhi, just 4 fewer 1st team votes and 4 fewer 2nd team ones.

I've noticed a few discussions and maybe a couple arguments about Bridges vs OG, but Bridges killed him in voting. OG gets 3 2nd team votes to Bridges 31 along with Bridges 4 1st team votes.

denial · Post #1413 » by **denial** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:00 am

Jazz look awful in first half. If they can have a breakdown like this in the road I might want to see them over the clips who look good. Didn’t watch first three games.

Revived · Post #1414 » by **Revived** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:13 am

Clippers are gonna get an insane amount of favorable calls in a series against us. George and Kawhi can’t be touched otherwise it’s a foul and their shooting at the FT line.

Really hope Utah gets Conley back for the next game and then win a few to pull this out in 6 or 7.

darealjuice · Post #1415 » by **darealjuice** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:30 am

I had a feeling the Clippers would make it a series after the Jazz squeaked out 2 tight wins at home, but didn't expect them to blow the doors off. Mitchell seems to be a bit hobbled too.

Suns Clippers would be a very chippy series.

Post #1416 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:32 am

Marcus Morris 5-5 from 3...over 47% from 3 for the season. If we play the Clips, and I have a feeling we will, I hope he doesn't get hot.They shot over 41% from 3 this season..by far the best in the NBA, so we have to slow them down. Dallas and Utah shot phenomenally against them but they are withstanding it pretty good. They were the one team I feared coming into the playoffs, though we are playing a lot better than I expected. That would be a very tough series though. Utah would be tough but I think the Clippers would be a completely different beast.

suns12345 · Post #1417 » by **suns12345** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:56 am

darealjuice wrote:I had a feeling the Clippers would make it a series after the Jazz squeaked out 2 tight wins at home, but didn't expect them to blow the doors off. Mitchell seems to be a bit hobbled too.

Suns Clippers would be a very chippy series.

I'll be worried one of those clippers thugs would injure our boys

suns12345 · Post #1418 » by **suns12345** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:57 am

On another note. crazy we have finished our series and all other Semi finals series are tied 2-2 (pending likely jazz/clippers result)

spanishninja · Post #1419 » by **spanishninja** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:00 am

Looks like this is gonna be Suns Clips. Our homecourt is gonna need to be huge. The Jazz are such bums.

Slim Charless · Post #1420 » by **Slim Charless** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:03 am

bwgood77 wrote:Marcus Morris 5-5 from 3...over 47% from 3 for the season. If we play the Clips, and I have a feeling we will, I hope he doesn't get hot.They shot over 41% from 3 this season..by far the best in the NBA, so we have to slow them down. Dallas and Utah shot phenomenally against them but they are withstanding it pretty good. They were the one team I feared coming into the playoffs, though we are playing a lot better than I expected. That would be a very tough series though. Utah would be tough but I think the Clippers would be a completely different beast.

I really hope we get the Clips. Simmons brought up a good point on his podcast. He said it just feels like destiny that CP3 would need to go through the LAC in order to reach his 1st finals. I want that. Plus a chance for Booker-PG13 II to get going. They have Pat Bev and Morris but we have Carter and Crowder as far as tough minded "old school" players. I'm not worried about someone trying to injure 1 of our players. That's nonsense talk by the guys who have brought that up.

Give me the Clips in the WCF for a chance to beat the Nets in the Finals (CP3 can get even with Harden/Blake/Jordan). Please and Thank you.