2021 NBA Draft, Part 2

[Charm]

It's also the nature of the playoffs that you play well and beat great teams and get rewarded with matchups against even greater teams. If you play enough games against great teams, you're gonna have duds here and there.

[DCasey91]

Is it just me or will this draft through picks 4-10 will throw a dud or three in the coming years?

A lot of a rawness in that tier range of prospects.

[BadWolf]

Is it just me or will this draft through picks 4-10 will throw a dud or three in the coming years?

A lot of a rawness in that tier range of prospects.

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Every draft has that

[Ruzious]

Zeros across the board for Garuba in first game of Spanish finals, other then fouls.
So which is his true face?

Next game is tomorrow. It'll be interesting to see how he rebounds from a bad game against a very good team.

[Roger Murdock]

Whats everyones view on Scotty Barnes?

His shooting seems oh-so-bad. His 1:1 defense is incredible, I love his intensity and BBIQ. Good court vision and handle. Hes a better playmaker than passer though. His passes are usually the right read but he doesn't always put it in a good spot.

I cant make up my mind. Some of his skills won't really matter much if he can't score effectively.

Can he play center at all or is he a pure 4?

[DCasey91]

I can’t get too high on raw as heck offensive players without a good jumper. Yes his defense is great but it’s more of a long shot to develop offensive skillsets. (Same with Springer and same with Keon and Giddey for that matter on the shooting part).

He’s more a pure 4 but can guard 1-4 which is very valuable in today’s terms.

I mean he’s very much like Draymond Green. But he is propped up by Curry/Thompson and vice versa, that’s otherworldly offensive threats and yet his limitations still show up. And that is a perfect trio synergy we are talking about here.

[DCasey91]

Garuba... Bigger less offensive talented Millsap? Legit can guard 1-5. I want him doing everything on defense just not on offense. Millsap was a defensive stud with a nice offensive skillset. He’s certainly a double double threat that’s for sure.

I hope himself and the NBA team that he gets drafted to picks an offensive skillset and focuses in on that. I’d rather see a great skill transfer rather then a lot of average ones. I’m guessing it’s going to be catch and shoot threes which is A okay. Hone in on one thing and he’ll be a fine player.

I can look past the hands and the awareness thing he’s improved on that (Im guessing it’s a more defined role and more receiving of offensive plays rather then self creating from recent games watched) because his motor and the defensive IQ is is high level stuff.

[Charm]

Garuba... Bigger less offensive talented Millsap? Legit can guard 1-5. I want him doing everything on defense just not on offense. Millsap was a defensive stud with a nice offensive skillset. He’s certainly a double double threat that’s for sure.

I hope himself and the NBA team that he gets drafted to picks an offensive skillset and focuses in on that. I’d rather see a great skill transfer rather then a lot of average ones. I’m guessing it’s going to be catch and shoot threes which is A okay. Hone in on one thing and he’ll be a fine player.

I can look past the hands and the awareness thing he’s improved on that (Im guessing it’s a more defined role and more receiving of offensive plays rather then self creating from recent games watched) because his motor and the defensive IQ is is high level stuff.

I like the Millsap comparison. Probably a less prolific scorer, but maybe a more efficient scorer with his 3-point shot developing much earlier in his career. Kinda surprised to see Millsap made 4 All-Star games and just 1 All-Defense team.

[reamily]

Is guy who can guard 1-5 is a 2021 version of bismack biyombo?

[livingoffgrass]

Is it just me or will this draft through picks 4-10 will throw a dud or three in the coming years?

A lot of a rawness in that tier range of prospects.

not a big fan of anyone after 4 honestly. this draft reminds of 2003 except without a Lebron. top tier is nice. rest of the draft is role players.

[DCasey91]

Is it just me or will this draft through picks 4-10 will throw a dud or three in the coming years?

A lot of a rawness in that tier range of prospects.

not a big fan of anyone after 4 honestly. this draft reminds of 2003 except without a Lebron. top tier is nice. rest of the draft is role players.

I see potential in prospects such as Mann, Bouknight and Christopher to be very good. But it’s hard to get up and about on the picks after 4 for me. As you said a lot of the draft is established older guys (some are well old, Duarte for example) and raw players that need time to work on their craft and polish.

But there’s always surprise in the later picks years down the road.

[DCasey91]

Garuba... Bigger less offensive talented Millsap? Legit can guard 1-5. I want him doing everything on defense just not on offense. Millsap was a defensive stud with a nice offensive skillset. He’s certainly a double double threat that’s for sure.

I hope himself and the NBA team that he gets drafted to picks an offensive skillset and focuses in on that. I’d rather see a great skill transfer rather then a lot of average ones. I’m guessing it’s going to be catch and shoot threes which is A okay. Hone in on one thing and he’ll be a fine player.

I can look past the hands and the awareness thing he’s improved on that (Im guessing it’s a more defined role and more receiving of offensive plays rather then self creating from recent games watched) because his motor and the defensive IQ is is high level stuff.

I like the Millsap comparison. Probably a less prolific scorer, but maybe a more efficient scorer with his 3-point shot developing much earlier in his career. Kinda surprised to see Millsap made 4 All-Star games and just 1 All-Defense team.

Millsap did an anti - kobe, was one of the best defenders at his position for years. I was shocked he didn’t have more All Def teams. Sometimes it is just reputation. The irony though was he does have a great reputation back then so who the heck knows lol.

I mean a less polished Bigger Millsap is a stud pickup in any draft imo.

[livingoffgrass]

Is it just me or will this draft through picks 4-10 will throw a dud or three in the coming years?

A lot of a rawness in that tier range of prospects.

not a big fan of anyone after 4 honestly. this draft reminds of 2003 except without a Lebron. top tier is nice. rest of the draft is role players.

I see potential in prospects such as Mann, Bouknight and Christopher to be very good. But it’s hard to get up and about on the picks after 4 for me. As you said a lot of the draft is established older guys (some are well old, Duart for example) and raw players that need time to work on their craft and polish.

But there’s always surprise in the later picks years down the road.

i'm sure some will be very good but who? they could just as likely be the 30th pick as the 5th is my point. maybe there's a star after pick 4. who knows which one. sometimes it's circumstantial based on fit and opportunity.

[DCasey91]

not a big fan of anyone after 4 honestly. this draft reminds of 2003 except without a Lebron. top tier is nice. rest of the draft is role players.

I see potential in prospects such as Mann, Bouknight and Christopher to be very good. But it’s hard to get up and about on the picks after 4 for me. As you said a lot of the draft is established older guys (some are well old, Duart for example) and raw players that need time to work on their craft and polish.

But there’s always surprise in the later picks years down the road.

i'm sure some will be very good but who? they could just as likely be the 30th pick as the 5th is my point. maybe there's a star after pick 4. who knows which one. sometimes it's circumstantial based on fit and opportunity.

Yeah it’s too hard to tell for me, drafts can be a crapshoot at the best of times. Christopher really interests me though, if I to pick one it might be him actually. Hedging my bets if he gets picked late and doesn’t hit then I’m safe from criticism but if he hits big then all is good lol

He does give me Mitchell vibes by the way they have low dribble crossovers. His size/handle and shot creation would perk up scouts interests. He’s a big boy at the 2 guard spot with great athleticism. He’s a tough cover on transition.

[livingoffgrass]

I see potential in prospects such as Mann, Bouknight and Christopher to be very good. But it’s hard to get up and about on the picks after 4 for me. As you said a lot of the draft is established older guys (some are well old, Duart for example) and raw players that need time to work on their craft and polish.

But there’s always surprise in the later picks years down the road.

i'm sure some will be very good but who? they could just as likely be the 30th pick as the 5th is my point. maybe there's a star after pick 4. who knows which one. sometimes it's circumstantial based on fit and opportunity.

Yeah it’s too hard to tell for me, drafts can be a crapshoot at the best of times. Christopher really interests me though, if I to pick one it might be him actually. Hedging my bets if he gets picked late and doesn’t hit then I’m safe from criticism but if he hits big then all is good lol

He does give me Mitchell vibes by the way they have low dribble crossovers. His size/handle and shot creation would perk up scouts interests. He’s a big boy at the 2 guard spot with great athleticism. He’s a tough cover on transition.

he's a late pick no? i think i would prefer the two Knicks pick or even maybe the two late Houston's picks versus say the 10th pick.

[Charm]

I see potential in prospects such as Mann, Bouknight and Christopher to be very good. But it’s hard to get up and about on the picks after 4 for me. As you said a lot of the draft is established older guys (some are well old, Duart for example) and raw players that need time to work on their craft and polish.

But there’s always surprise in the later picks years down the road.

i'm sure some will be very good but who? they could just as likely be the 30th pick as the 5th is my point. maybe there's a star after pick 4. who knows which one. sometimes it's circumstantial based on fit and opportunity.

Yeah it’s too hard to tell for me, drafts can be a crapshoot at the best of times. Christopher really interests me though, if I to pick one it might be him actually. Hedging my bets if he gets picked late and doesn’t hit then I’m safe from criticism but if he hits big then all is good lol

He does give me Mitchell vibes by the way they have low dribble crossovers. His size/handle and shot creation would perk up scouts interests. He’s a big boy at the 2 guard spot with great athleticism. He’s a tough cover on transition.

Issue with Christopher (and Bouknight) is that they showed very little playmaking potential. If they're just "meh" playmakers and "meh" defenders, that puts a lot of pressure on them to be elite scorers, because there's no other way for them to reliably make a positive impact at the NBA level. Realistic ceiling for them seems like sparkplug 6th man to me.

[Jamaaliver]

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[Hal14]

not a big fan of anyone after 4 honestly. this draft reminds of 2003 except without a Lebron. top tier is nice. rest of the draft is role players.

I see potential in prospects such as Mann, Bouknight and Christopher to be very good. But it’s hard to get up and about on the picks after 4 for me. As you said a lot of the draft is established older guys (some are well old, Duart for example) and raw players that need time to work on their craft and polish.

But there’s always surprise in the later picks years down the road.

i'm sure some will be very good but who? they could just as likely be the 30th pick as the 5th is my point. maybe there's a star after pick 4. who knows which one. sometimes it's circumstantial based on fit and opportunity.

BJ Boston could end up being a star. So could Sharife Cooper, Vrenz Bleijenbergh, Kai Jones, Roko Prkacin, Isiah Todd, EJ Onu, Queta, Bassey, Bouknight, Jalen Johnson, they could all be stars.

[Hal14]

i'm sure some will be very good but who? they could just as likely be the 30th pick as the 5th is my point. maybe there's a star after pick 4. who knows which one. sometimes it's circumstantial based on fit and opportunity.

Yeah it’s too hard to tell for me, drafts can be a crapshoot at the best of times. Christopher really interests me though, if I to pick one it might be him actually. Hedging my bets if he gets picked late and doesn’t hit then I’m safe from criticism but if he hits big then all is good lol

He does give me Mitchell vibes by the way they have low dribble crossovers. His size/handle and shot creation would perk up scouts interests. He’s a big boy at the 2 guard spot with great athleticism. He’s a tough cover on transition.

Issue with Christopher (and Bouknight) is that they showed very little playmaking potential. If they're just "meh" playmakers and "meh" defenders, that puts a lot of pressure on them to be elite scorers, because there's no other way for them to reliably make a positive impact at the NBA level. Realistic ceiling for them seems like sparkplug 6th man to me.

I think both could be similar to like a Bradley beal (except 2 inches taller but not as good outside shooter), a SG who is a lethal scorer capable of being one of the go-to scorers on his team but doesn't do much else. With that being said, guys who are kind of a black hole ball stopper and not exactly elite at either play making or defense, I do rank a little lower so i currently have both of them in the 17-27 range.

Then again, a "volume scorer, crazy explosive/athletic, lethal scorer but kind of a black hole ball-stopper who's not elite at play making or defense" is also the description of Jalen Green and he's a consensus top 3 pick. Green is a better outside shooter than Christopher and Bouknight but is he that much better that he is a top 3 pick and Bouknight/Christopher are rated much lower? I guess people just feel like Green can be a no. 1 option and Bouknight/Christopher are like you said, spark plug 6th man types..

[Charm]

Yeah it’s too hard to tell for me, drafts can be a crapshoot at the best of times. Christopher really interests me though, if I to pick one it might be him actually. Hedging my bets if he gets picked late and doesn’t hit then I’m safe from criticism but if he hits big then all is good lol

He does give me Mitchell vibes by the way they have low dribble crossovers. His size/handle and shot creation would perk up scouts interests. He’s a big boy at the 2 guard spot with great athleticism. He’s a tough cover on transition.

Issue with Christopher (and Bouknight) is that they showed very little playmaking potential. If they're just "meh" playmakers and "meh" defenders, that puts a lot of pressure on them to be elite scorers, because there's no other way for them to reliably make a positive impact at the NBA level. Realistic ceiling for them seems like sparkplug 6th man to me.

I think both could be similar to like a Bradley beal (except 2 inches taller but not as good outside shooter), a SG who is a lethal scorer capable of being one of the go-to scorers on his team but doesn't do much else. With that being said, guys who are kind of a black hole ball stopper and not exactly elite at either play making or defense, I do rank a little lower so i currently have both of them in the 17-27 range.

Then again, a "volume scorer, crazy explosive/athletic, lethal scorer but kind of a black hole ball-stopper who's not elite at play making or defense" is also the description of Jalen Green and he's a consensus top 3 pick. Green is a better outside shooter than Christopher and Bouknight but is he that much better that he is a top 3 pick and Bouknight/Christopher are rated much lower? I guess people just feel like Green can be a no. 1 option and Bouknight/Christopher are like you said, spark plug 6th man types..

Yeah, I'm not a huge Green fan, but I think you could make a good case that if he had played in the NCAA he would've been a highly efficient 20+ppg scorer, a real "generational talent" as they say. Bouknight and Christopher are good scorers, but I don't see much evidence that they're outliers. Guys put up similar numbers in the NCAA every single year. Hell, Cam Thomas arguably put up better numbers...what's stopping him from being the next Beal?