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Re: Steve Nash is not fit to coach in the NBA 

Post#21 » by Prokorov » Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:15 pm

Here is another MAJOR issue i have with this coaching staff....

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We have ONE day off to fly back to Brooklyn and prepare for a must win game 5... and this mofo is going to interview for the Blazers job instead of spending every second preparing to see how we may be able to funciton as an offense with just KD?

just fire d'antoni now, he has clearly checked out
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Post#22 » by 3pt_chucker » Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:33 pm

I think it's fine if MDA took an hr or so to interview for a job. We have 23456 competent assistants, so it's not like he has that much of a burden on him game planning, since he just focuses on offense anyway.
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Post#23 » by Prokorov » Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:06 am

3pt_chucker wrote:I think it's fine if MDA took an hr or so to interview for a job. We have 23456 competent assistants, so it's not like he has that much of a burden on him game planning, since he just focuses on offense anyway.


our offense lost us the last 2 games and will be the most crucial aspect of game 5. his interview can wait. F that d-bag.
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Post#24 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:50 am

Does it really matter? Our season is over.
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Re: Steve Nash is not fit to coach in the NBA 

Post#25 » by ArksNetsSince99 » Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:10 am

Prokorov wrote:
3pt_chucker wrote:I think it's fine if MDA took an hr or so to interview for a job. We have 23456 competent assistants, so it's not like he has that much of a burden on him game planning, since he just focuses on offense anyway.


our offense lost us the last 2 games and will be the most crucial aspect of game 5. his interview can wait. F that d-bag.

Agree 100% with Prok , DA is unprofessional , bad timing , F.... him ! I don’t care if its one hour interview or fifteen seconds interview, thats show his commitment to the team , co workers , players and fanbase and there is NONE !
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Post#26 » by ArksNetsSince99 » Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:15 am

MrDollarBills wrote:Does it really matter? Our season is over.

Yes it’s matter big time , and don’t blame players if they start bolting out as well , they’ve been shown that in this organization is ok to take interviews in the mid season, mid playoff series , who’s next Harden ? KD? According to some posters here its ok if all it’s gonna take is one hour :banghead:
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Re: Steve Nash is not fit to coach in the NBA 

Post#27 » by ecuhus1981 » Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:12 am

Most folks around here know that I've been one of the more vocal critics of Nash as an in-game adjuster, strategist and motivator. That said, jumping ship on him and the staff now isn't going to do anything but lock the worst outcome of an already murky future. He has shown growth in certain areas this season (he set the bar pretty low before the Harden trade), and leads with a steady hand. He needs to be the coach that this team needs, not the coach he wishes he had when he was a player.

D'Antoni can interview for jobs, other assistants have done it in the past, even in the midst of a hotly contested series. If anything, his presence seems most helpful when we have our full complement of superstars. With a Bubble-esque roster for game 5, I would rather have Jacque in Steve's ear.
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Post#28 » by NyCeEvO » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:30 pm

Prokorov wrote:There is no shame to losing to the bucks with no irving and no harden.

But he is easily one of, if not the worst coach in team history and has no business coaching in the NBA.

ZERO ADJUSTMENTS. 0. z-e-r-o

it is infuriating. huge 10-0 runs by the bucks, no timeouts, no lineup changes, no adjustments. just dump to KD in the high post with tucker all over him and go 1 on 5.

With Kyrie out, how about... i dont know putting brook lopez in a pick and roll?

PJ tucker is playing stuck to KD the entire length of the floor. maybe do something to shake him:

-Use KD to be the screener. to force a switch or to give his teammate and open lane to the hoop
-use a staggered double screen
-Screen for KD off ball in the back court

they hit 100 threes in the corner. maybe stop helping off that?

The lineup you had in gave upa 19-2 run. maybe bring in some new blood, even if just for energy. TJ/Shamet/Alize/Claxton any of those guys?

maybe run some plays for joe harris to get an open look?

Maybe run a switch for blake and let him run our offfense out of the post for a few possesions?

I agree with everything. I was calling out the same exact stuff during the game as well.

Blake kept repeatedly leaving his man to double Jrue Holiday's drive to the basket when KD is guarding Jrue. Why are we doubling Jrue Holiday and giving him an open man to pass to from 3 when Jrue has to consistently make shots over KD? It made no sense.

The coaching staff better make a plethora of changes for tonight's game or it won't be pretty.



But here's my overall outlook on Nash....

Nash didn't hire himself. Marks hired Nash.

Nash didn't spend years as an assistant coach before becoming successful first-time head coaches like Spoelstra or Nick Nurse. Even Steve Kerr spent years as a GM before coming down to coach. All of these guys were intimately involved with teams before they became first-time head coaches. Marks knew all of this and evidently didn't think it outweighed the benefits of Nash's EQ, which he proclaimed are very important for a championship-caliber team. We could've easily hired Nash as an assistant coach and had him groomed under a veteran coach during these crucial prime years of our initially Big 2 and great depth that became a Big 3. Again, Marks thought it wasn't necessary.

Instead, Sean believed that having an experienced staff would provide the collective IQ needed to win now, while Nash brought the EQ needed from a leader. In his mind, it was a win-win.

I'm not constantly watching the sidelines but I venture to guess that the coaches aren't constantly bringing stuff to Nash that he's vetoing. Nash seems like a guy who would listen to the advice of others, especially those more experienced than him given that he's still a novice as a coach.

So if the assistant coaches aren't telling him what they see and which adjustments need to be made, they should be indicted just as much as, if not more so than Nash, since they were the ones hired to bring the IQ to cover for Nash.

If we end up losing this series and wasting at least the first year of our Big 3's prime, I'll be more upset at Marks followed by the coaching staff than Nash.

Marks could've hired someone else, but he didn't. The coaching staff can help with adjustments, but they've struggled doing so (even since the regular reason). I think the person who hired the novice to run the ship and the experienced crew are more responsible for the ship crashing than the novice, since they've at least navigated these waters before and know what to expect.
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Post#29 » by NyCeEvO » Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:01 pm

Prokorov wrote:Here is another MAJOR issue i have with this coaching staff....

Read on Twitter


We have ONE day off to fly back to Brooklyn and prepare for a must win game 5... and this mofo is going to interview for the Blazers job instead of spending every second preparing to see how we may be able to funciton as an offense with just KD?

just fire d'antoni now, he has clearly checked out

To be completely honest, when did MDA ever check in? And I'm not saying this just because of the predicament we're currently in. I've had these thoughts all season, but never felt compelled to bring it up.

MDA is the lead coach for the offense but I've yet to identify any philosophy or approach that stands out as being a unique contribution from him.

And to be honest, should we be surprised? Hasn't the main critique of MDA throughout his career been that he fails to adjust? It has repeatedly revealed itself over the years in the playoffs. He has had many iterations of championship-level teams with Nash, STAT, Kobe, Dwight, Harden, CP3, Westbrook and countless elite role players, yet has never been to the Finals with him at the helm.

I was happy when he was hired because I thought he'd really try to have a positive impact on our offense and implement some unique approaches or sets to take advantage of our talent. I haven't seen anything from him nor our in our offense that reflects the ingenuity of an offensive mastermind.

Any body can run sets that prioritize giving the ball to your stars. His money should've been made finding how we can a perfect balance between utilizing the offensive prowess our offensive superstars in isolation and the skillsets of the role players.

I don't care that Harden was out for Game or that even Kyrie was out for much of Game 4. He should've been coaching our offense through those games, countering the Bucks schemes. Instead, he just allowed us to keep running the same stuff ad nauseam and needlessly running KD into the ground, despite it being clearly obvious that what we were doing wasn't working.


And I can't believe MDA took/is taking an interview during our series. So many assistant coaches wait at least until the series is over before giving their attention to and considering coaching another team. Have some respect for your current team and at least act like you're wholeheartedly invested in the here and now. It's not even like we're up 3-0. We've just lost 2 winnable road games. This is time where everyone, especially the coaches, should be focused and ready to implement changes that will help us succeed. Instead, he's already thinking about where he'll be next year when he's got the prospect of winning his first NBA championship right in front of him. SMH...

I had such high hopes for what his presence and inclusion would mean to our team. Now, I won't be upset if he leaves. Bring in an assistant who will be invested into the team, knowledgeable, and is willing to adapt and try different things in-game when it's obvious that their main plan isn't working.
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Post#30 » by Prokorov » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:32 pm

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Prokorov wrote:There is no shame to losing to the bucks with no irving and no harden.

But he is easily one of, if not the worst coach in team history and has no business coaching in the NBA.

ZERO ADJUSTMENTS. 0. z-e-r-o

it is infuriating. huge 10-0 runs by the bucks, no timeouts, no lineup changes, no adjustments. just dump to KD in the high post with tucker all over him and go 1 on 5.

With Kyrie out, how about... i dont know putting brook lopez in a pick and roll?

PJ tucker is playing stuck to KD the entire length of the floor. maybe do something to shake him:

-Use KD to be the screener. to force a switch or to give his teammate and open lane to the hoop
-use a staggered double screen
-Screen for KD off ball in the back court

they hit 100 threes in the corner. maybe stop helping off that?

The lineup you had in gave upa 19-2 run. maybe bring in some new blood, even if just for energy. TJ/Shamet/Alize/Claxton any of those guys?

maybe run some plays for joe harris to get an open look?

Maybe run a switch for blake and let him run our offfense out of the post for a few possesions?

I agree with everything. I was calling out the same exact stuff during the game as well.

Blake kept repeatedly leaving his man to double Jrue Holiday's drive to the basket when KD is guarding Jrue. Why are we doubling Jrue Holiday and giving him an open man to pass to from 3 when Jrue has to consistently make shots over KD? It made no sense.

The coaching staff better make a plethora of changes for tonight's game or it won't be pretty.



But here's my overall outlook on Nash....

Nash didn't hire himself. Marks hired Nash.

Nash didn't spend years as an assistant coach before becoming successful first-time head coaches like Spoelstra or Nick Nurse. Even Steve Kerr spent years as a GM before coming down to coach. All of these guys were intimately involved with teams before they became first-time head coaches. Marks knew all of this and evidently didn't think it outweighed the benefits of Nash's EQ, which he proclaimed are very important for a championship-caliber team. We could've easily hired Nash as an assistant coach and had him groomed under a veteran coach during these crucial prime years of our initially Big 2 and great depth that became a Big 3. Again, Marks thought it wasn't necessary.

Instead, Sean believed that having an experienced staff would provide the collective IQ needed to win now, while Nash brought the EQ needed from a leader. In his mind, it was a win-win.

I'm not constantly watching the sidelines but I venture to guess that the coaches aren't constantly bringing stuff to Nash that he's vetoing. Nash seems like a guy who would listen to the advice of others, especially those more experienced than him given that he's still a novice as a coach.

So if the assistant coaches aren't telling him what they see and which adjustments need to be made, they should be indicted just as much as, if not more so than Nash, since they were the ones hired to bring the IQ to cover for Nash.

If we end up losing this series and wasting at least the first year of our Big 3's prime, I'll be more upset at Marks followed by the coaching staff than Nash.

Marks could've hired someone else, but he didn't. The coaching staff can help with adjustments, but they've struggled doing so (even since the regular reason). I think the person who hired the novice to run the ship and the experienced crew are more responsible for the ship crashing than the novice, since they've at least navigated these waters before and know what to expect.


Oh I agree... if we want to lump the whole staff together and blame marks for assembling it ill ride that train
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Post#31 » by ecuhus1981 » Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:57 pm

Billups took an interview with Portland as well, and his Clippers are in the same 2-2 position as we are. In fact, they were down when he scheduled the interview. This is business, guys. Assistants can interview for promotions, AND still be as dialed in a their current positions require. We have many issues, this is not one of them.
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Post#32 » by therealbig3 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:18 am

Seemed to do a good job this game, despite all the bitching.
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Post#33 » by Prokorov » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:02 am

therealbig3 wrote:Seemed to do a good job this game, despite all the bitching.


I thought he was awful tonight.

He did make some of the obvious adjustments me, NYC, and others pointed out above, about having guys screen PJ in the back court to free him, get away from the baseline post up, etc. so i guess credit there for the obvious decision.

Too many awful things though.

1 possesiion game late, under 90 seconds. we are on the FT line. he leaves harden in, instead of a defensive sub. Riding Joe Harris while he chucks up brick after brick after brick.

Joe Harris on the floor defensively for the last inbound, gets lost and middleton got a great look from three. while claxton looks on from the bench.

not using timeouts during enormous 10+ 0 runs to stop momentum.

Watching Durant drop 50/20/10 with defenders all over him doesnt make you a good coach
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Post#34 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:23 am

It took Nash 2 quarters in a pivotal game to realize that the Nets need to set screens to let Durant attack the mismatch or force the Bucks to double team him to open up shots for the other guys on the floor.

This is my main complaint about Nash. He takes too long to adjust. I don't hate the guy, but he needs to stop sleep walking and be more proactive.
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Post#35 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:59 pm

We'll see exactly what Nash is made of tonight. If he takes too long to adjust or doesn't call out plays that forces switches against Lopez or a weaker defender, I will be livid.

Watching Ty Lue coach his team up from another 0-2 deficit to win another series, I have to once again be critical of the nepotism and frankly, privilege on display from the Nets front office by allowing Steve Nash to leap frog guys who have put in their time on the sidelines as assistants.
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Post#36 » by ecuhus1981 » Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:58 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:We'll see exactly what Nash is made of tonight. If he takes too long to adjust or doesn't call out plays that forces switches against Lopez or a weaker defender, I will be livid.

Watching Ty Lue coach his team up from another 0-2 deficit to win another series, I have to once again be critical of the nepotism and frankly, privilege on display from the Nets front office by allowing Steve Nash to leap frog guys who have put in their time on the sidelines as assistants.

That's fair. Nash and Budenholzer are singing for their supper tonight. I could see whichever team loses firing their coach sometime before the draft.

I will say, Steve was not only handpicked by Sean, but by Kevin as well. But it's past time for Nash to take accountability for his own performance.

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Post#37 » by BigO » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:41 pm

Bucks fan here. Bud will definitely be fired if he loses and he should. Nets will win.

Harden is improving. Harris can't be any worse and is at home and the role players like Green and Brown will do enough. This is the worst case scenario for a guy like Bud, who likes to play the same way no matter who the opponent. The players have demanded some changes and he has reluctantly agreed, but against a team where two of their stars are out or hurt, this shouldn't have been a series.
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Post#38 » by NyCeEvO » Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:43 am

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MrDollarBills wrote:We'll see exactly what Nash is made of tonight. If he takes too long to adjust or doesn't call out plays that forces switches against Lopez or a weaker defender, I will be livid.

Watching Ty Lue coach his team up from another 0-2 deficit to win another series, I have to once again be critical of the nepotism and frankly, privilege on display from the Nets front office by allowing Steve Nash to leap frog guys who have put in their time on the sidelines as assistants.

That's fair. Nash and Budenholzer are singing for their supper tonight. I could see whichever team loses firing their coach sometime before the draft.

I will say, Steve was not only handpicked by Sean, but by Kevin as well. But it's past time for Nash to take accountability for his own performance.

"I jumped off, stood on my own two like boom, that's that, yeah I'm here to show and prove..."

Sean handpicked Steve but official reports state that KD and Kyrie were ok with the decision.

Maybe him and Kyrie did play a larger role in getting Nash, but I haven’t heard anything from a legitimate source that suggests KD chose Nash.
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