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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1481 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:35 am

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ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:I got a chance to watch the Nets beat the Bucks tonight and boy oh boy, does Giannis have some major flaws. Totally choked down the stretch, just like Embiid. Kid can't hit anything more than 4 feet away from the bucket. Yeesh. They ain't contenders.

Of course I was really watching to see what the Nets are made of. They're still not at full strength, but regardless, I think we can beat that team. They can't execute in the half court and rely on their stars to bail them out. Of course, we can't put Bridges on all of them, and Crowder will get in foul trouble guarding Durant and Harden. But if we can make them a half court team, I really like our chances.

At this point I think I fear the Clips the most - or the Jazz, if they can get past them, because that would really show me something.


Yup. I've always said that he is the 2.0 version of Orlando Shaq. Very athletic, dominant phisically - can't really play fundamentaly solid basketball, as he can only score when his wrist is in the rim before the ball.

You'd think a Shaq with legit speed and handles would be a nightmare even today but the NBA has reached an era where if you handle the ball a fair amount but can't shoot 3's then you could be a massive detriment to the team even if you can do everything else well.
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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1482 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:48 am

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Bud not putting Giannis on KD when he got hot was ridiculous. He's earning the firing that's coming next week.

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Why would he not put Giannis on KD? I haven't watched much of the series, but I figured he would be the primary defender on him. You don't have an offensive player like KD and not use one of the best defensive players in the NBA against him. If not now, when?

I mean I get maybe worrying about fouls or expending energy but these guys are super athletes as far as energy goes probably with a lot of adrenaline flowing. As far as fouls, if it becomes a problem, then assess.
I assume it's fouls, and Giannis picks up his fair share on both ends but for **** sake you have to try it when KD is that hot. Middleton should have spent some time on him too.

For some reason they also just stop running offense for stretches and iso or just hoist 3s.

Bud is a bad playoff coach, it's pretty clear after years of evidence. He should go to someplace like Orlando where he can raise the floor but theres a ceiling with him.

Also Holliday is a really good player but dudes not a PG.

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Post#1483 » by Qwigglez » Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:48 am

Watching the Jazz vs Clippers Game 4 first half all I can think is the Jazz desperately need Mike Conley back. I'm not sure how much of a difference he will make, but they need another ball handler that can create their own shot or other people's shot. No one knows how to feed Gobert, and he is just a giant eye sore on offense. The Clippers small ball on offense try to exploit the PnR and have Gobert defending George or Kawhi and that's such a huge mismatch because Gobert can't move his feet laterally. They do the same with Derrick Favors in. Jazz also need some bench depth and quality shooters because Niang is trash on both sides of the court, and then even Royce ONeal is awful offensively. Defensively he also isn't quick enough to guard PG or Kawhi very well.

The Jazz also run a gimmick offense without Conley. It's Mitchell attacking the basket or taking 3s, and if he's attacking the Clippers collapse on him. Other Jazz players try to penetrate and the Clippers stick to their guy on the 3 point line not allowing an easily accessible 3 point shot. Though as the 2nd quarter winded down the Clippers did have some mental lapses leaving guys open on 3. The Jazz also struggled to identify Morris as a hot hand when Kawhi would penetrate they left Morris wide open when 3 Jazz players went to the paint to help, it's silly because they left Pat Beverly open which makes sense, but Derrick Favors leaving Morris was just stupid.

In the 2nd half I noticed Mitchell just creatively getting into the paint, dodging the double team before it could arrive. When the Clippers collapsed on him he'd pass it out and boom the 3 was going in for the Jazz. On the other end of the court, Kawhi and PG were still trying to effectively run the PnR where they'd get Gobert on them and the Jazz just decided to double team which would leave Batum open, and I assume the gameplan for the Snyder was if Batum was hitting 3s then whatever the game is over. He missed several so the Jazz were happy with the results. Because Batum was like 1-4 on 3s he started diving to the paint instead of waiting out by the 3.

Anyway I figure the Clippers will have to get creative guarding the Suns, and I imagine they try to utilize the small ball but that might not be as effective with Ayton as it is with Gobert. The biggest concern is if CP3 will be able to get going when the Clippers can cycle Jackson, Rondo, and Beverly only him.
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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1484 » by Hitachi77 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:50 am

I still think the Nets will have a tough time getting to the finals. It will be interesting to see how the Bucks come out in game 6. Teams are often able to close things out easily in game 6 after emotional game 5 wins. It's a game where role players can play free and loose knowing they have a game to burn. If the Bucks can get through game 6 I like their chances in 7.

That said, even if the Nets get through this series, a road series vs the Sixers would still be very tough. Harden is clearly not right, and I am not sure that it can heal properly if he plays every other night. And I think Kyrie will be out until at least game 3 of the WCF should they get there.

That said, if they do survive this series, and manage to have all 3 stars healthy by game 3 of the WCF (even if down 0-2), obviously they will be incredibly tough. I think this is unlikely though, at least much more likely than not that they will continue to have injury concerns for the rest of the playoffs.
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Post#1485 » by sasquatchBob » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:23 am

How can it be that Embiid finishes 2nd in MVP voting but can't get a spot in 1st All-NBA team?
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Post#1486 » by suns12345 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:24 am

sasquatchBob wrote:How can it be that Embiid finishes 2nd in MVP voting but can't get a spot in 1st All-NBA team?


Cause Jokic was 1st in MVP voting and plays the same position?
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Post#1487 » by Filthy » Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:31 am

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sasquatchBob wrote:How can it be that Embiid finishes 2nd in MVP voting but can't get a spot in 1st All-NBA team?


Cause Jokic was 1st in MVP voting and plays the same position?


Nah, they had multiple positions, the voting system is just awful and the voters clueless.
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Post#1488 » by pj0tr » Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:25 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Watching the Jazz vs Clippers Game 4 first half all I can think is the Jazz desperately need Mike Conley back. I'm not sure how much of a difference he will make, but they need another ball handler that can create their own shot or other people's shot. No one knows how to feed Gobert, and he is just a giant eye sore on offense. The Clippers small ball on offense try to exploit the PnR and have Gobert defending George or Kawhi and that's such a huge mismatch because Gobert can't move his feet laterally. They do the same with Derrick Favors in. Jazz also need some bench depth and quality shooters because Niang is trash on both sides of the court, and then even Royce ONeal is awful offensively. Defensively he also isn't quick enough to guard PG or Kawhi very well.

The Jazz also run a gimmick offense without Conley. It's Mitchell attacking the basket or taking 3s, and if he's attacking the Clippers collapse on him. Other Jazz players try to penetrate and the Clippers stick to their guy on the 3 point line not allowing an easily accessible 3 point shot. Though as the 2nd quarter winded down the Clippers did have some mental lapses leaving guys open on 3. The Jazz also struggled to identify Morris as a hot hand when Kawhi would penetrate they left Morris wide open when 3 Jazz players went to the paint to help, it's silly because they left Pat Beverly open which makes sense, but Derrick Favors leaving Morris was just stupid.

In the 2nd half I noticed Mitchell just creatively getting into the paint, dodging the double team before it could arrive. When the Clippers collapsed on him he'd pass it out and boom the 3 was going in for the Jazz. On the other end of the court, Kawhi and PG were still trying to effectively run the PnR where they'd get Gobert on them and the Jazz just decided to double team which would leave Batum open, and I assume the gameplan for the Snyder was if Batum was hitting 3s then whatever the game is over. He missed several so the Jazz were happy with the results. Because Batum was like 1-4 on 3s he started diving to the paint instead of waiting out by the 3.

Anyway I figure the Clippers will have to get creative guarding the Suns, and I imagine they try to utilize the small ball but that might not be as effective with Ayton as it is with Gobert. The biggest concern is if CP3 will be able to get going when the Clippers can cycle Jackson, Rondo, and Beverly only him.


Phoenix won't have the problem with CP3 and Booker being able to handle the ball, same with Payne.

Honestly, the biggest worry about the Clippers I have is the Clippers making it a 1on1 game by spreading the ball out with their smallball lineup, and being able to go 1on1 with the Suns defenders, eliminating the Suns connected team defense.

I think Phoenix will be able to score on the Clippers, but being able to stop them will be a tall order.
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Re: Around the NBA - Other Playoff Series 

Post#1489 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:17 pm

Hitachi77 wrote:I still think the Nets will have a tough time getting to the finals. It will be interesting to see how the Bucks come out in game 6. Teams are often able to close things out easily in game 6 after emotional game 5 wins. It's a game where role players can play free and loose knowing they have a game to burn. If the Bucks can get through game 6 I like their chances in 7.

That said, even if the Nets get through this series, a road series vs the Sixers would still be very tough. Harden is clearly not right, and I am not sure that it can heal properly if he plays every other night. And I think Kyrie will be out until at least game 3 of the WCF should they get there.

That said, if they do survive this series, and manage to have all 3 stars healthy by game 3 of the WCF (even if down 0-2), obviously they will be incredibly tough. I think this is unlikely though, at least much more likely than not that they will continue to have injury concerns for the rest of the playoffs.


For the Nets it depends on how healthy they are. Will Harden hurt himself more? How long is Kyrie out. KD can't do that every game.

Can they stop Embiid? But how healthy is Embiid?

Will the Bucks finally get smart and put Giannis on KD?
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Post#1490 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:20 pm

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sasquatchBob wrote:How can it be that Embiid finishes 2nd in MVP voting but can't get a spot in 1st All-NBA team?


Cause Jokic was 1st in MVP voting and plays the same position?


Nah, they had multiple positions, the voting system is just awful and the voters clueless.


I don't think those players were eligible for other positions. But ultimately it should just come down to total votes and if Embiid has enough for first team, he should have been there.

Top 5 in voting should be in top tier, next 5 in second, etc, regardless of position.

However, with this system in place, Booker was 8th in line for players not getting in.
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Post#1491 » by King4Day » Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:41 pm

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Post#1493 » by wheezy » Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:27 am

This Hawks v 76ers game is wild. I love what Simmons brings to the table but holy **** does he need to get better at shooting (free throws and anywhere out that far, not to mention a 3 pt shot). These playoffs are huge referendums on him and Giannis... cue the broken record.
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Post#1494 » by darealjuice » Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:34 am

Wow that Sixers collapse was insane
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Post#1495 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:46 am

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Post#1496 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:47 am

darealjuice wrote:Wow that Sixers collapse was insane


That's unbelievable. I stopped paying attention when it was like a 25 pt lead midway through the 3rd.
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Post#1497 » by spanishninja » Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:57 am

I am convinced that Utah does not know how to run a 2 point play.

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Post#1498 » by King4Day » Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:58 am

wheezy wrote:This Hawks v 76ers game is wild. I love what Simmons brings to the table but holy **** does he need to get better at shooting (free throws and anywhere out that far, not to mention a 3 pt shot). These playoffs are huge referendums on him and Giannis... cue the broken record.


I expect that team to look different next season. Simmons for CJ McCollum maybe? Some deal centered around that.
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Post#1499 » by King4Day » Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:59 am

The fact LAC just took the lead is crazy. Utah is making EVERY 3 they take. They had 37 first quarter points. 30 were on 3's (37%)
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Post#1500 » by Hitachi77 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:10 am

Obviously would rather play the Clips without Kawhi than Utah. Very unlikely though. Just want it to go 7! I'd be shocked if the Clippers win this game.

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