PG: Bucks on the Brink

[M-C-G]

**** it, Charles Barkley for head coach. Get him a X's and O's guy.

At least you know he'd put a stop to stupid stuff.

[Wooderson]

So obviously a horrible decision by Giannis (one of a few), but how is this not a foul? Hand with full arm extended into post players back is apparently legal. It doesn't get more obvious than that.

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[emunney]

So obviously a horrible decision by Giannis (one of a few), but how is this not a foul? Hand with full arm extended into post players back is apparently legal. It doesn't get more obvious than that.

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It *is* legal when the offensive player has his back to the basket. One hand/arm.

[Prokorov]

So obviously a horrible decision by Giannis (one of a few), but how is this not a foul? Hand with full arm extended into post players back is apparently legal. It doesn't get more obvious than that.

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For it to be a foul, Giannis would have to be in the "lower defensive box"

he is kind of in a grey area, and with under a minute, refs arent going to decide a game based on something no very often policed. This is one of those things you call earlier hoping players stop, but final 2 minutes, your not letting that decide a game... similar to 3 seconds in the paint or 10 seconds at the FT line. you call those early hoping it tops, but your swalloing that whistle final 2 minutes

I think there is a better argument for Blake not getting called for clutching PJs arm on the Giannis missed FT. but again, you had alot of clutching and grabbing on those block outs and the ball bounced out further to KD. if blake gets that rebound, better likelyhood a whistle is blown.

Again, 2-2 series refs arent letting something like that decide a game.

[Wooderson]

So obviously a horrible decision by Giannis (one of a few), but how is this not a foul? Hand with full arm extended into post players back is apparently legal. It doesn't get more obvious than that.

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It *is* legal when the offensive player has his back to the basket. One hand/arm.

Only with a bent elbow. He has his full arm extended.

(2) A defender may apply contact with a forearm and/or one hand with a bent elbow to an offensive player in a post-up position with the ball in the Lower Defensive Box.

https://official.nba.com/nba-rule-authority-3/

[LAX_Home]

Love the fact that everyone here just expects refs to call a game against a small market team and its not even used as an excuse anymore. Gluttons for punishment. Even with a new coach we are never going to an NBA championship because the league doesn't want that. Milwaukee will be used for what its always been used for since David Stern took over. And that's an eastern conference stepping stone for whatever big market east team (Boston, Philly, Miami, Chicago) they want in the finals.

[th87]

So obviously a horrible decision by Giannis (one of a few), but how is this not a foul? Hand with full arm extended into post players back is apparently legal. It doesn't get more obvious than that.

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No one's mad at this because he'd probably clank them both.

[Prokorov]

Love the fact that everyone here just expects refs to call a game against a small market team and its not even used as an excuse anymore. Gluttons for punishment. Even with a new coach we are never going to an NBA championship because the league doesn't want that. Milwaukee will be used for what its always been used for since David Stern took over. And that's an eastern conference stepping stone for whatever big market east team (Boston, Philly, Miami, Chicago) they want in the finals.

I was hoping not to see finger pointing at the refs as an excuse here.

This has been a series the refs allowed to be very physical, with multiple injuries and guys getting in each others faces.

Nets FTA by game:
GM1: 9
GM2: 7
GM3: 8
GM4: 18
GM5: 25

Nets averaged 23 FTA per game this season which was 8th in the league (26 in games KD played, which would have been first). It took the Nets 3 games to reach 24 attempts, basically what they average in 1 game. they were held drastically under their average in 4 of 5 games and the one game where appearantly refs favored us we barely hit our average.

The Bucks foul less then almost anyone. 17 personal fouls a game, 2nd best in the NBA> here is how it broke down by game:

Bucks PF per game:
GM1: 15
GM2: 12
GM3: 12
GM4: 21
GM5: 24

Bucks average 17 PF on the year per game. this series they have been whisteld for 16.8 PF a game. Thats vs one of the best teams in the league at getting to the line and drawing fouls.

Game 5 the bucks commited more fouls then their average. the nets shot their league average FTs. there were some intentional fouls late with time running out to put the nets on the FT line to skew that further.

If Giannis fouled out to start the 4th quarter or middleton was limited to 22 minutes due to foul trouble and the nets shot 40 FTS i would be more likely to hear that argument.

The Nets made adjustments to get KD the ball up high in space and out of the post were it is easier ot be physical with him. he exploded for an all time scoring performance. the refs were not a real factor here and certainly not one favoring the nets in this series.

[Matches Malone]

Nobody is using the refs as an excuse. We all know they blew it in classic Bucks fashion. But to sit here and act like officiating hasn't been a concern, is turning a blind eye. More than half the screens being initiated by BKN aren't even legal to start with. And the amount of flopping they get away with is unmatched. Do they practice whipping their heads/bodies back as much as their jump shots?

[buckboy]

Story of the season.

It's literally right in the bread basket. It could not be a better pass and there are no hands swiping either. Just unbelievable.

The amazing thing is some in the game thread were blaming Middleton for this.

Out of all the incredible surprising things that came out of that game last night, this is by far the least surprising.

[Neuromancer56]

It's literally right in the bread basket. It could not be a better pass and there are no hands swiping either. Just unbelievable.

The amazing thing is some in the game thread were blaming Middleton for this.

Out of all the incredible surprising things that came out of that game last night, this is by far the least surprising.

Middleton should have took the shot there. I trust him and Jrue to be clutch. Giannis not so much.

[machu46]

Nobody is using the refs as an excuse. We all know they blew it in classic Bucks fashion. But to sit here and act like officiating hasn't been a concern, is turning a blind eye. More than half the screens being initiated by BKN aren't even legal to start with. And the amount of flopping they get away with is unmatched. Do they practice whipping their heads/bodies back as much as their jump shots?

I complain about moving screens too, but it's hard for me to say moving screens are evidence of refs being biased because they just don't call them against anybody. The only time moving screens are called are when the defensive player flops like a fish to sell it. I don't think anybody can reasonably expect that to ever change; the league clearly just doesn't care about it.

[buckboy]

The amazing thing is some in the game thread were blaming Middleton for this.

Out of all the incredible surprising things that came out of that game last night, this is by far the least surprising.

Middleton should have took the shot there. I trust him and Jrue to be clutch. Giannis not so much.

Lol. K.

Predictable.

[Turk Nowitzki]

Not rewarding the head whipping back move should be up there at the top of the list of things they emphasize this offseason along with the jumping back/to the side stuff. If they stopped rewarding that BS it would vanish so **** fast, it's embarrassing to watch.

[CharityStripe34]

We can litigate this game until the end of time. The real question is, does this team have any mental juice to come out and stay alive in Game 6? Or were they mentally cooked last night? I'm leaning 60-40% for the latter unfortunately. I'm sure the sloan sports geeks on the coaching staff will say positive stuff like "well, KD isn't gonna play 48 mins and go for 50, and Jeff Green wont turn into Klay Thompson again, lulz" I'm just worried that this Bucks team's warts are too apparent to overcome in a hotly contested playoff series.

[Touchpass]

I honestly feel like Khris and Jrue are kind of checked out and super annoyed at Giannis. They're too nice to really call his ass out too. Their selfish moments stem from Giannis and it's really frustrating. Giannis just isn't as good as he thinks he is.

Definitely Jrue. I'm not sure it's spilled over into Khris yet, but will after the series.

I’ve notice it on Jrue. I forget the minute mark, but it was the last charge Giannis got called for. Jrue was trying to start the offense on the bench side of the court. Giannis was at the top of the key begging for the the ball while his defender was off him already clogging the whole possession. Nothing left to do but give it to the wide open guy. Giannis proceeds to run right into a charge. Even the air ball Jrue had late Giannis kept bringing his defender closer into Jrue as he worked 1 on 1.

During the losing streak when Jrue was out and Giannis was trying to be the point guard I remember many plays where Khris would just stand in the corner. Probably thinking what’s the point of trying to do anything here anyways.

[DingleJerry]

Nobody is using the refs as an excuse. We all know they blew it in classic Bucks fashion. But to sit here and act like officiating hasn't been a concern, is turning a blind eye. More than half the screens being initiated by BKN aren't even legal to start with. And the amount of flopping they get away with is unmatched. Do they practice whipping their heads/bodies back as much as their jump shots?

I've disliked our board here pre emptively blaming refs before the game even started and subsequently after. It's very Raptors fan-esque. Yea sure in this game you could nitpick some things late, especially the Harden bs ref baiting screen flop. Other than that, nothing to complain about imo. But for the most part, this was Bucks crapping the bed and KD going bananas.

Plus, let's not forget the last two games were allowed to be so physical it helped the Bucks big time. Tucker was allowed to constantly bump KD and it was let go. Now, of course it's comically funny how game 5 and game 4 can be reffed so differently while still be under the same rules. But that's a whole different topic.

[Matches Malone]

Nobody is using the refs as an excuse. We all know they blew it in classic Bucks fashion. But to sit here and act like officiating hasn't been a concern, is turning a blind eye. More than half the screens being initiated by BKN aren't even legal to start with. And the amount of flopping they get away with is unmatched. Do they practice whipping their heads/bodies back as much as their jump shots?

I complain about moving screens too, but it's hard for me to say moving screens are evidence of refs being biased because they just don't call them against anybody. The only time moving screens are called are when the defensive player flops like a fish to sell it. I don't think anybody can reasonably expect that to ever change; the league clearly just doesn't care about it.

It goes well beyond just moving screens. They're missing pushes in the back on dunks, letting Durant push off to get room on shots, falling for blatant flops and not letting Harden get breathed on. Maybe illegal screens was a lazy attempt at making a better argument but at this point, it's no lazier than NBA officiating. I just feel defeated. The NBA is always going to be like this so there's no point in fighting it. Just have to hope they can fight through adversity and not let guys like old man Jeff Green go for almost 30.

[Ron Swanson]

It's a microcosm of the difficulty in properly evaluating this team over the past 3 years. All the stats and numbers go out the window when you don't know which team is gonna show up every quarter or half, let alone every game. Like, they legitimately played great basketball in the first two quarters, and Jeff Green going prime Ray Allen/Reggie Miller was the only thing that kept it from bein a 20+ point blowout at halftime. But the second the other team goes on any sort of run to close the gap, you can literally see their confidence and composure completely disintegrate.

Maybe this team really does just need a Thibs/Skiles hard-ass motivator, but it's maddening for them to show us how good they can be only to piss away these huge 3rd and 4th quarter leads over and over again. I don't know what else can be done at this point other than bringing in an entirely new cast of players, as well as a new coaching staff and front office.

[ABucksFan]

Jeff Green joins the likes of FVV, Jae Crowder, Heero, Norm Powell of supporting casts who crush the Bucks from 3 in the playoffs. There's always 1 guy no matter who the opponent the Bucks let go nuts on them.