Please sell me on Moses Moody

[WargamesX]

The ringer has him listed as 6’8 in height and it keeps bugging me

[GSWFan1994]

The ringer has him listed as 6’8 in height and it keeps bugging me

Why? It seems like the right height for me.

[WargamesX]

The ringer has him listed as 6’8 in height and it keeps bugging me

Why? It seems like the right height for me.

It might be but he’s listed 6’6 everywhere else. I can’t wait until the combine to get official measurements.

[OhCanada1091]

Your basically getting a 21 year old Khris Middleton on a rookie contract but Moses Moody is 19. Measurements are very similar and he projects to be a 2nd or 3rd option with excellent defense.

[kobyz]

He reminds me Morris Peterson

[EvanZ]

The ringer has him listed as 6’8 in height and it keeps bugging me

They gave him Ziaire Williams listed height and weight. Clearly was a mistake.

[Ruzious]

Your basically getting a 21 year old Khris Middleton on a rookie contract but Moses Moody is 19. Measurements are very similar and he projects to be a 2nd or 3rd option with excellent defense.

Probably not a 2nd option, but ya never know - with him being young. If he does become a 2nd option, it won't be on his first contract - so maybe he's a player you rather target on his 2nd contract - rather than pick him in the draft.

[EvanZ]

He reminds me Morris Peterson

Mo Pete was in college FIVE years.

[radtech]

In high school, Moody played with Cunningham and Scottie Barnes, Moody was the third option and played to his strength knocking down open looks.

In college, he played a more primary role as the leading scorer, flashed some defensive ability, and expanded his game. He is weak in terms of NBA strength, not being able to finish around the rim, and getting out muscle.

Like the Klay comparison, Klay came into the league as an average defender, Klay credits Mark Jackson to become a two way play. If Moody models his game after Klay that's not a bad player to emulate. I would pick him if Top 6 thru 9 based on his shooting alone. Get him into an NBA gym, trainers, nutritionists, and the rest is up to him.

[EvanZ]

I think people are really underestimating Moody's potential for physical development. He's got great shoulders.

[Charm]

I think people are really underestimating Moody's potential for physical development. He's got great shoulders.

Tend to agree. 17 ppg on solid efficiency is already impressive for a freshman wing. But if he'd gone to college as a 19-year-old freshman like many of his high-lottery counterparts, with another year of physical conditioning and another year honing his ball skills, those numbers could've been even better.

[DCasey91]

Moses Moody gives me massive Josh Richardson vibes (Bigger frame most likely, better shooter most likely).

They have eerier similar games. Their functionality as basketball players are quite average for an athlete when doing the highly tuned finesse stuff which is required for score creation (can be very stiff on the accel/decel and movement wise) hence why both their in between games can be very lackluster and sometimes non existent.

Difference is you’re getting a younger and better version age for age.

[SmoothLefty21]

I'm not that high on him, especially his ceiling, but he is so young and his ideal position in the NBA is unclear. With this draft you can make a case for a slew of guys between 6-12.

You can find 6'6" shooters anywhere. His handle, wiggle, athleticism, ability to create for himself and others, and finish in traffic worry me. People cite his FTr as a big positive but I'm skeptical about that translating to the NBA where he'll face bigger defenders. I truly believe the best path for him long term is an undersized 4. I don't think there's any chance he's an NBA SG with his physical profile and athleticism. I kind of view him as TJ Warren, maybe some Thad Young (not their games or athleticism, but their SF/PF tweener status).

He seems like he has a safe floor and will be in the league for a long time as a 3 & D guy. I would draft guys with a higher ceiling over him (Barnes, Bouknight, etc.) and take him in the 9-12 range.

[Hal14]

I'm trying to understand what makes Moody a better prospect than Trey Murphy.

Sure, Moody is a year younger. But is that enough to justify picking him over a guy who's 3 inches taller and is just as good (if not better) than Moody at both defense and outside shooting?

Murphy is crazy athletic, a 7'1" wingspan, long strides, just had a 50-40-90 season and is arguably the most versatile defender in the draft..

[pad300]

I'm trying to understand what makes Moody a better prospect than Trey Murphy.

Sure, Moody is a year younger. But is that enough to justify picking him over a guy who's 3 inches taller and is just as good (if not better) than Moody at both defense and outside shooting?

Murphy is crazy athletic, a 7'1" wingspan, long strides, just had a 50-40-90 season and is arguably the most versatile defender in the draft..

http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=moses-moody--trey-murphy-iii

Let's see. Moody's 2 years younger, not 1. Trey's 3' taller but the same weight; Moody isn't at his man weight yet, but Murphy is pretty much a skinny. Moody scores more, blocks more, assists more, steals more and blocks more...

[DCasey91]

Moody has more potential then Murphy that’s obvious though they have similar floors for me (rotation 3+D wing with great splits/efficiency and positive defense).

Also Trey isn’t a great athlete (foot speed and size) but his measureables, shot and understanding his role is very very solid as prospects go (much better then a few players getting drafted ahead. Should go first round for me).

[Upperclass]

Reminds me so much of Brandon Rush. Still not sure why Rush didn't become a better player but I don't think Moody can ever start for a good team even though I think he'll be a good player and a glue guy that can come in for solid minutes, not make mistakes, and knock down shots. Hes just lacking too much athletically even with his solid build, height/weight etc

[Hal14]

I'm trying to understand what makes Moody a better prospect than Trey Murphy.

Sure, Moody is a year younger. But is that enough to justify picking him over a guy who's 3 inches taller and is just as good (if not better) than Moody at both defense and outside shooting?

Murphy is crazy athletic, a 7'1" wingspan, long strides, just had a 50-40-90 season and is arguably the most versatile defender in the draft..

http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=moses-moody--trey-murphy-iii

Let's see. Moody's 2 years younger, not 1. Trey's 3' taller but the same weight; Moody isn't at his man weight yet, but Murphy is pretty much a skinny. Moody scores more, blocks more, assists more, steals more and blocks more...

1) That edge Murphy has in length/height makes a big difference.
2) Moody is touted as a "3 and D" guy but Moody shot 35.8% from 3. NBA league average is just a touch over 36% so Moody isn't even an average 3 point shooter yet he's 3 and D? Murphy meanwhile shot 43.3% from 3 (on higher volume) so in terms of shooting, it's a huge edge for Murphy. Yes, Moody is younger so maybe he can make up that gap but maybe he won't - you're rolling the dice more by taking Moody and will really have to wait and be patient as he develops - Murphy is more plug and play. The shooting edge is even larger for Murphy when you look at FG% (50.3% for Murphy, only 42.7% for Moody) and FT% (92.7% for Murphy, only 81.2% for Moody)
3) Murphy could stand to pack on a few pounds but I wouldn't label him "a skinny" there's many other guys in this draft I am far more concerned about when it comes to bulking up their physique (Ziaire Williams, Isaiah Jackson, BJ Boston, Nah'Shon Hyland, etc.)
4) Moody scores more, only because he takes more shots. I already covered the giant edge in scoring efficiency that Murphy has. Maybe if Moody was more selective/efficient with his shots he would be better at advanced/impact stats (Murphy is better at offensive BPM, defensive BPM, BPM, huge advantage offensive rating and TS%, Murphy has edge in PER, etc.
5) Murphy is not 2 years older. He's 1.89 years older. Almost 2 years, but not quite..

I think a case could be made for either of them being rated higher than the other. I'd probably go with Murphy because the big edge in shooting efficiency and the added size/length.

If you're a guy who isn't very good at creating off the dribble (Moody) you better be damn good, like elite level at either play making or outside shooting. Moody isn't elite level at either. Murphy is elite level at outside shooting and from the footage I've seen, Murphy is also a little bit better at creating off the dribble.

[Charm]

I'm trying to understand what makes Moody a better prospect than Trey Murphy.

Sure, Moody is a year younger. But is that enough to justify picking him over a guy who's 3 inches taller and is just as good (if not better) than Moody at both defense and outside shooting?

Murphy is crazy athletic, a 7'1" wingspan, long strides, just had a 50-40-90 season and is arguably the most versatile defender in the draft..

http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=moses-moody--trey-murphy-iii

Let's see. Moody's 2 years younger, not 1. Trey's 3' taller but the same weight; Moody isn't at his man weight yet, but Murphy is pretty much a skinny. Moody scores more, blocks more, assists more, steals more and blocks more...

1) That edge Murphy has in length/height makes a big difference.
2) Moody is touted as a "3 and D" guy but Moody shot 35.8% from 3. NBA league average is just a touch over 36% so Moody isn't even an average 3 point shooter yet he's 3 and D? Murphy meanwhile shot 43.3% from 3 (on higher volume) so in terms of shooting, it's a huge edge for Murphy. Yes, Moody is younger so maybe he can make up that gap but maybe he won't - you're rolling the dice more by taking Moody and will really have to wait and be patient as he develops - Murphy is more plug and play. The shooting edge is even larger for Murphy when you look at FG% (50.3% for Murphy, only 42.7% for Moody) and FT% (92.7% for Murphy, only 81.2% for Moody)
3) Murphy could stand to pack on a few pounds but I wouldn't label him "a skinny" there's many other guys in this draft I am far more concerned about when it comes to bulking up their physique (Ziaire Williams, Isaiah Jackson, BJ Boston, Nah'Shon Hyland, etc.)
4) Moody scores more, only because he takes more shots. I already covered the giant edge in scoring efficiency that Murphy has. Maybe if Moody was more selective/efficient with his shots he would be better at advanced/impact stats (Murphy is better at offensive BPM, defensive BPM, BPM, huge advantage offensive rating and TS%, Murphy has edge in PER, etc.
5) Murphy is not 2 years older. He's 1.89 years older. Almost 2 years, but not quite..

I think a case could be made for either of them being rated higher than the other. I'd probably go with Murphy because the big edge in shooting efficiency and the added size/length.

If you're a guy who isn't very good at creating off the dribble (Moody) you better be damn good, like elite level at either play making or outside shooting. Moody isn't elite level at either. Murphy is elite level at outside shooting and from the footage I've seen, Murphy is also a little bit better at creating off the dribble.

Team situation makes the comparison tough...Arkansas really didn't have much offensive talent to work with outside of Moody. They were a defense-first team that leaned heavily on an 18-year-old to generate offense, which is just a great recipe for inconsistency.

Virginia in contrast was a very efficient offensive team. They had one of the best scoring wings in the NCAA in Hauser, an elite stretch-5 in Huff, and a heady veteran PG to run the show in Clark. So there wasn't much pressure on Murphy...he just had to play within the flow of the offense and hit shots when the ball came his way, which he did.

[EvanZ]

Reminds me so much of Brandon Rush. Still not sure why Rush didn't become a better player but I don't think Moody can ever start for a good team even though I think he'll be a good player and a glue guy that can come in for solid minutes, not make mistakes, and knock down shots. Hes just lacking too much athletically even with his solid build, height/weight etc

Oh wow this hadn’t occurred to me until now. I loved Brandon Rush when he got to the Warriors. He was the perfect 3&D guy.


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