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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#801 » by Hal14 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 3:40 pm

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Trade up to get him? It's looking highly unlikely he will still be there at 16..

And oh by the way, Giddey posted a ridiculous 36.3% assist rate this past season (at age 18 playing in a professional league) on just a 19.5% usage rate. That's nuts. That's Chris Paul territory.

For context, this is what the top PGs posted this past season. Hint = the lower the usage and the higher the assist rate, the better..a good NBA PG should be at 25% assist rate or higher and their assist rate should be at least a few percentage points higher than their usage rate:

Player Usage % Assist %
Curry 34.80% 30.50%
Westbrook 30.20% 48.60%
Trae Young 33.00% 45.50%
Doncic 36.00% 44.10%
Conley 23.10% 30.60%
Lillard 31.40% 34.60%
Lowry 21.40% 31.80%
Morant 27.20% 33.50%
De'Aaron Fox 31% 32.70%
Lonzo Ball 20.50% 25.10%
Chris paul 22.60% 40.90%
Lamelo Ball 26.10% 33.90%
Malcolm Brogdon 25.90% 25.70%
Jru Holiday 22.20% 26.30%
Kemba Walker 26.10% 23.80%


Yeah, that Steph Curry is no good.

1) Curry is an outlier. He's the only good starting PG in the league where his usage % is much higher than his assist rate, which makes sense considering he's the greatest shooter of all time (not to mention he's the no 1. scoring option on a team who's other scoring options are weak at best) so he shoots more than most PGs..

The Celtics have 2 elite scorers in Tatum and Brown. So we really need a PG who can get an assist % of 25% or higher to maximize Tatum and Brown's scoring ability. And again, Curry is an outlier since he's the greatest shooter of all time - any other PG we could get isn't going to be the greatest shooter of all time, so our PG should have a usage % lower than their assist % so we can have better ball movement. than we did this past season.

2) Even still, Curry does check 1 of the 2 boxes I look for in a good PG when it comes to usage/assist data and that is an assist % of 25% or higher. Curry's assist % is way higher than that at 30.5%

I'm simply saying that based on the data, it does look like Giddey would really help us in this aspect of the game..
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#802 » by cloverleaf » Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:23 pm

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Trade up to get him? It's looking highly unlikely he will still be there at 16..

And oh by the way, Giddey posted a ridiculous 36.3% assist rate this past season (at age 18 playing in a professional league) on just a 19.5% usage rate. That's nuts. That's Chris Paul territory.

For context, this is what the top PGs posted this past season. Hint = the lower the usage and the higher the assist rate, the better..a good NBA PG should be at 25% assist rate or higher and their assist rate should be at least a few percentage points higher than their usage rate:

Player Usage % Assist %
Curry 34.80% 30.50%
Westbrook 30.20% 48.60%
Trae Young 33.00% 45.50%
Doncic 36.00% 44.10%
Conley 23.10% 30.60%
Lillard 31.40% 34.60%
Lowry 21.40% 31.80%
Morant 27.20% 33.50%
De'Aaron Fox 31% 32.70%
Lonzo Ball 20.50% 25.10%
Chris paul 22.60% 40.90%
Lamelo Ball 26.10% 33.90%
Malcolm Brogdon 25.90% 25.70%
Jru Holiday 22.20% 26.30%
Kemba Walker 26.10% 23.80%


Yeah, that Steph Curry is no good.

1) Curry is an outlier. He's the only good starting PG in the league where his usage % is much higher than his assist rate, which makes sense considering he's the greatest shooter of all time (not to mention he's the no 1. scoring option on a team who's other scoring options are weak at best) so he shoots more than most PGs..

The Celtics have 2 elite scorers in Tatum and Brown. So we really need a PG who can get an assist % of 25% or higher to maximize Tatum and Brown's scoring ability. And again, Curry is an outlier since he's the greatest shooter of all time - any other PG we could get isn't going to be the greatest shooter of all time, so our PG should have a usage % lower than their assist % so we can have better ball movement. than we did this past season.

2) Even still, Curry does check 1 of the 2 boxes I look for in a good PG when it comes to usage/assist data and that is an assist % of 25% or higher. Curry's assist % is way higher than that at 30.5%

I'm simply saying that based on the data, it does look like Giddey would really help us in this aspect of the game..


I'm surprised you haven't made the most obvious comparison--to his fellow countryman Ben Simmons.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#803 » by Kalela » Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:59 pm

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Celtics drafting Cooper would be a nightmare for me. I am completely over undersized PGs like him. Kofi Cockburn reminds me of Kendrick Perkins. He will probably go undrafted though.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#804 » by Hal14 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:30 pm

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Celtics drafting Cooper would be a nightmare for me. I am completely over undersized PGs like him. Kofi Cockburn reminds me of Kendrick Perkins. He will probably go undrafted though.

Hmm, interesting group. The only 1 of those guys who has been projected by anyone to go anywhere close to the top 16 is Cooper. Seems like most have him in the 20-30 range, though.

I like Cooper's play making/passing ability but absolutely do not like his size at only 6'1" or his inability to shoot (27% from 3).

Hyland is projected in the 25-35 range so seems strange to work him out. 16 seems like a big reach for him, since he doesn't have the play making to play the 1 and he doesn't have the size (only 6'3", 165 lbs) to play the 2. I like his energy, his motor, his quickness, his handle and his shooting. He projects as a really nice bench player, a dude who can come in off the bench and really heat up and give you some scoring and energy off the bench like a Jamal Crawford / Vinnie Johnson type. I just think there's better options in that 16 spot - especially with how deep we are already in the back court. And it seems unlikely Hyland will still be there with our pick no. 45..

I'm hoping we will get some of these guys to Boston for a pre-draft workout:

Josh Giddey
Alperen Sengun
Roko Prkačin
Usman Garuba
Jalen Johnson
Kai Jones
Jared Butler
Davion Mitchell
Jaden Springer
Franz Wagner
Trey Murphy

P.S. a concerning thing is:
McBride = 6'2"
Cooper = 6'1"
Hyland = 6'3" and only 165 lbs

Like, I thought Stevens was the one complaining that we were too small of a team?
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#805 » by playa-hater » Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:25 pm

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Celtics drafting Cooper would be a nightmare for me. I am completely over undersized PGs like him. Kofi Cockburn reminds me of Kendrick Perkins. He will probably go undrafted though.


I'm sick at just the thought of drafting Cooper.

But our new GM has played with PP as our SF with Edwarf and Tre Waters.. so.. :o :-?
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#806 » by GoGreen » Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:40 pm

The only thing that has changed in the FO is Brad replacing Danny. I can only hope that most of thess guys often disagreed with Danny's moves of late, so as to not continue squandering assets and drafting undersized players
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#807 » by Patsfan1081 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:56 pm

Do they usually work out this many projected late/undrafted prospects? I’m all for replacing the back end of the roster but Im seeing a lot guys Ainge would like not Stevens. Brad said they needed size and this class appears deep there....
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#808 » by Hal14 » Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:13 am

I'm realizing more and more how deep this draft really is. Case in point:

-Suggs is a consensus top 4 pick. Springer is projected in the 15-30 range. But IMO, Springer is just as good as Suggs. Maybe Suggs is better, but it's so damn close and these 2 are similar in so many ways that it's crazy that I see Suggs go no. 2 in a mock by Springer goes 27th in a mock.

-Tre Murphy is arguably just as good as Moses Moody, maybe even better. But Moody is projected in the 6-10 range. Murphy is projected in the 28-38 range.

-Miles McBride is arguably just as good as Davion Mitchell, maybe even better. But Mitchell is projected in the 7-12 range. McBride is projected in the 31-41 range.

-Bassey and Queta are both probably better prospects than Isaiah Jackson. But jackson is projected in the 11-22 range. Bassey and Queta are projected to go somewhere in the 2nd round.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#809 » by Hal14 » Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:34 am

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Celtics drafting Cooper would be a nightmare for me. I am completely over undersized PGs like him. Kofi Cockburn reminds me of Kendrick Perkins. He will probably go undrafted though.


I'm sick at just the thought of drafting Cooper.

But our new GM has played with PP as our SF with Edwarf and Tre Waters.. so.. :o :-?

Cooper is an excellent passer/play maker and he's very quick. But he's way below average outside shooting, undersized and not a good defender.

Quickness. Defense. Outside shooting. Play making/passing. Size.

Cooper only checks 2 boxes. In our future starting PG, we need more than 2 of the boxes checked.

Then again, look at Giddey, Awesome in terms of size for a PG and awesome in terms of play making/passing. But he's not very good on D, average at best quickness for a PG and below average outside shooting..

Giddey won't be there at 16 anyways, though..
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#810 » by playa-hater » Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:40 am

Today's latest mock. Has my top choice. but also very easy to compare since it is all on the same page.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2021/6/17/22534812/nba-mock-draft-2021-lottery-order-first-round-cade-cunningham

2021 NBA mock draft before the lottery
Number Team Player Position From Year
1 Houston Rockets Cade Cunningham Wing Oklahoma State Freshman
2 Detroit Pistons Evan Mobley Big USC Freshman
3 Orlando Magic Jalen Green Guard G League Ignite Freshman
4 Oklahoma City Thunder Jalen Suggs Guard Gonzaga Freshman
5 Cleveland Cavaliers Jonathan Kuminga Wing G League Ignite Freshman
6 Golden State Warriors (via Wolves) Jalen Johnson Wing Duke Freshman
7 Toronto Raptors Scottie Barnes Big Florida State Freshman
8 Orlando Magic (via Bulls) Franz Wagner Wing Michigan Sophomore
9 Sacramento Kings Keon Johnson Guard Tennesse Freshman
10 New Orleans Pelicans James Bouknight Guard UConn Sophomore
11 Charlotte Hornets Moses Moody Wing Arkansas Freshman
12 San Antonio Spurs Corey Kispert Wing Gonzaga Senior
13 Indiana Pacers Davion Mitchell Guard Baylor Senior
14 Golden State Warriors Josh Giddey Guard Australia Born 2002
15 Washington Wizards Ziaire Williams Wing Stanford Freshman
16 Boston Celtics Kai Jones Big Texas Sophomore
17 Memphis Grizzlies Jaden Springer Guard Tennesse Freshman
18 Oklahoma City Thunder Usman Garuba Big Spain Born 2002
19 New York Knicks Sharife Cooper Guard Auburn Freshman
20 Atlanta Hawks Jared Butler Guard Baylor Junior
21 New York Knicks Isaiah Jackson Big Kentucky Freshman
22 Los Angeles Lakers Chris Duarte Wing Oregon Senior
23 Houston Rockets Josh Christopher Wing Arizona State Freshman
24 Houston Rockets Day'Ron Sharpe Big North Carolina Freshman
25 Los Angeles Clippers Cam Thomas Wing LSU Freshman
26 Denver Nuggets B.J. Boston Wing Kentucky Freshman
27 Brooklyn Nets Joel Ayayi Guard Gonzaga Junior
28 Philadelphia 76ers Tre Mann Guard Florida Sophomore
29 Phoenix Suns Ayo Dosunmu Guard Illinois Junior
30 Utah Jazz Roko Prkacin Wing Croatia Born 2002
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#811 » by playa-hater » Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:44 am

Hal14 wrote:I'm realizing more and more how deep this draft really is. t:


Deepest draft in maybe 10 years IMO. too bad we don't have 3 firsts. wouldn't mind "buying a 2nd rder since they will be first rd talents available. OKC has 2 high 2nds. they can't even use them all.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#812 » by LarryBirdsFingr » Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:46 am

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Celtics drafting Cooper would be a nightmare for me. I am completely over undersized PGs like him. Kofi Cockburn reminds me of Kendrick Perkins. He will probably go undrafted though.

Hmm, interesting group. The only 1 of those guys who has been projected by anyone to go anywhere close to the top 16 is Cooper. Seems like most have him in the 20-30 range, though.

I like Cooper's play making/passing ability but absolutely do not like his size at only 6'1" or his inability to shoot (27% from 3).

Hyland is projected in the 25-35 range so seems strange to work him out. 16 seems like a big reach for him, since he doesn't have the play making to play the 1 and he doesn't have the size (only 6'3", 165 lbs) to play the 2. I like his energy, his motor, his quickness, his handle and his shooting. He projects as a really nice bench player, a dude who can come in off the bench and really heat up and give you some scoring and energy off the bench like a Jamal Crawford / Vinnie Johnson type. I just think there's better options in that 16 spot - especially with how deep we are already in the back court. And it seems unlikely Hyland will still be there with our pick no. 45..

I'm hoping we will get some of these guys to Boston for a pre-draft workout:

Josh Giddey
Alperen Sengun
Roko Prkačin
Usman Garuba
Jalen Johnson
Kai Jones
Jared Butler
Davion Mitchell
Jaden Springer
Franz Wagner
Trey Murphy

P.S. a concerning thing is:
McBride = 6'2"
Cooper = 6'1"
Hyland = 6'3" and only 165 lbs

Like, I thought Stevens was the one complaining that we were too small of a team?

WE LIKE OUR SMALL GUARDS
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#813 » by Hal14 » Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:55 am

playa-hater wrote:Today's latest mock. Has my top choice. but also very easy to compare since it is all on the same page.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2021/6/17/22534812/nba-mock-draft-2021-lottery-order-first-round-cade-cunningham

2021 NBA mock draft before the lottery
Number Team Player Position From Year
1 Houston Rockets Cade Cunningham Wing Oklahoma State Freshman
2 Detroit Pistons Evan Mobley Big USC Freshman
3 Orlando Magic Jalen Green Guard G League Ignite Freshman
4 Oklahoma City Thunder Jalen Suggs Guard Gonzaga Freshman
5 Cleveland Cavaliers Jonathan Kuminga Wing G League Ignite Freshman
6 Golden State Warriors (via Wolves) Jalen Johnson Wing Duke Freshman
7 Toronto Raptors Scottie Barnes Big Florida State Freshman
8 Orlando Magic (via Bulls) Franz Wagner Wing Michigan Sophomore
9 Sacramento Kings Keon Johnson Guard Tennesse Freshman
10 New Orleans Pelicans James Bouknight Guard UConn Sophomore
11 Charlotte Hornets Moses Moody Wing Arkansas Freshman
12 San Antonio Spurs Corey Kispert Wing Gonzaga Senior
13 Indiana Pacers Davion Mitchell Guard Baylor Senior
14 Golden State Warriors Josh Giddey Guard Australia Born 2002
15 Washington Wizards Ziaire Williams Wing Stanford Freshman
16 Boston Celtics Kai Jones Big Texas Sophomore
17 Memphis Grizzlies Jaden Springer Guard Tennesse Freshman
18 Oklahoma City Thunder Usman Garuba Big Spain Born 2002
19 New York Knicks Sharife Cooper Guard Auburn Freshman
20 Atlanta Hawks Jared Butler Guard Baylor Junior
21 New York Knicks Isaiah Jackson Big Kentucky Freshman
22 Los Angeles Lakers Chris Duarte Wing Oregon Senior
23 Houston Rockets Josh Christopher Wing Arizona State Freshman
24 Houston Rockets Day'Ron Sharpe Big North Carolina Freshman
25 Los Angeles Clippers Cam Thomas Wing LSU Freshman
26 Denver Nuggets B.J. Boston Wing Kentucky Freshman
27 Brooklyn Nets Joel Ayayi Guard Gonzaga Junior
28 Philadelphia 76ers Tre Mann Guard Florida Sophomore
29 Phoenix Suns Ayo Dosunmu Guard Illinois Junior
30 Utah Jazz Roko Prkacin Wing Croatia Born 2002


1) Kai Jones, can't really argue with that pick. A lot to like about him, his game and his potential fit on this Celtics team.

2) Am I blind or does that mock not have Sengun going anywhere in the 1st round?
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#814 » by djFan71 » Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:55 am

Hal14 wrote:-McBride is arguably just as good as Donovan Mitchell, maybe even better. But Mitchell is projected in the 7-12 range. McBride is projected in the 31-41 range.

Whoa! I assume you meant Davion here. Had me freaking for a second. :)
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#815 » by Hal14 » Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:56 am

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Hal14 wrote:-McBride is arguably just as good as Donovan Mitchell, maybe even better. But Mitchell is projected in the 7-12 range. McBride is projected in the 31-41 range.

Whoa! I assume you meant Davion here. Had me freaking for a second. :)

haha yes, meant davion. Long day, I'll edit the post now.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#816 » by playa-hater » Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:05 am

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playa-hater wrote:Today's latest mock. Has my top choice. but also very easy to compare since it is all on the same page.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2021/6/17/22534812/nba-mock-draft-2021-lottery-order-first-round-cade-cunningham

2021 NBA mock draft before the lottery
Number Team Player Position From Year
1 Houston Rockets Cade Cunningham Wing Oklahoma State Freshman
2 Detroit Pistons Evan Mobley Big USC Freshman
3 Orlando Magic Jalen Green Guard G League Ignite Freshman
4 Oklahoma City Thunder Jalen Suggs Guard Gonzaga Freshman
5 Cleveland Cavaliers Jonathan Kuminga Wing G League Ignite Freshman
6 Golden State Warriors (via Wolves) Jalen Johnson Wing Duke Freshman
7 Toronto Raptors Scottie Barnes Big Florida State Freshman
8 Orlando Magic (via Bulls) Franz Wagner Wing Michigan Sophomore
9 Sacramento Kings Keon Johnson Guard Tennesse Freshman
10 New Orleans Pelicans James Bouknight Guard UConn Sophomore
11 Charlotte Hornets Moses Moody Wing Arkansas Freshman
12 San Antonio Spurs Corey Kispert Wing Gonzaga Senior
13 Indiana Pacers Davion Mitchell Guard Baylor Senior
14 Golden State Warriors Josh Giddey Guard Australia Born 2002
15 Washington Wizards Ziaire Williams Wing Stanford Freshman
16 Boston Celtics Kai Jones Big Texas Sophomore
17 Memphis Grizzlies Jaden Springer Guard Tennesse Freshman
18 Oklahoma City Thunder Usman Garuba Big Spain Born 2002
19 New York Knicks Sharife Cooper Guard Auburn Freshman
20 Atlanta Hawks Jared Butler Guard Baylor Junior
21 New York Knicks Isaiah Jackson Big Kentucky Freshman
22 Los Angeles Lakers Chris Duarte Wing Oregon Senior
23 Houston Rockets Josh Christopher Wing Arizona State Freshman
24 Houston Rockets Day'Ron Sharpe Big North Carolina Freshman
25 Los Angeles Clippers Cam Thomas Wing LSU Freshman
26 Denver Nuggets B.J. Boston Wing Kentucky Freshman
27 Brooklyn Nets Joel Ayayi Guard Gonzaga Junior
28 Philadelphia 76ers Tre Mann Guard Florida Sophomore
29 Phoenix Suns Ayo Dosunmu Guard Illinois Junior
30 Utah Jazz Roko Prkacin Wing Croatia Born 2002


1) Kai Jones, can't really argue with that pick. A lot to like about him, his game and his potential fit on this Celtics team.

2) Am I blind or does that mock not have Sengun going anywhere in the 1st round?


I would bet it is an oversight it happens.
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Post#817 » by playa-hater » Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:09 am

Hal14 wrote:
playa-hater wrote:Today's latest mock. Has my top choice. but also very easy to compare since it is all on the same page.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2021/6/17/22534812/nba-mock-draft-2021-lottery-order-first-round-cade-cunningham

2021 NBA mock draft before the lottery
Number Team Player Position From Year
1 Houston Rockets Cade Cunningham Wing Oklahoma State Freshman
2 Detroit Pistons Evan Mobley Big USC Freshman
3 Orlando Magic Jalen Green Guard G League Ignite Freshman
4 Oklahoma City Thunder Jalen Suggs Guard Gonzaga Freshman
5 Cleveland Cavaliers Jonathan Kuminga Wing G League Ignite Freshman
6 Golden State Warriors (via Wolves) Jalen Johnson Wing Duke Freshman
7 Toronto Raptors Scottie Barnes Big Florida State Freshman
8 Orlando Magic (via Bulls) Franz Wagner Wing Michigan Sophomore
9 Sacramento Kings Keon Johnson Guard Tennesse Freshman
10 New Orleans Pelicans James Bouknight Guard UConn Sophomore
11 Charlotte Hornets Moses Moody Wing Arkansas Freshman
12 San Antonio Spurs Corey Kispert Wing Gonzaga Senior
13 Indiana Pacers Davion Mitchell Guard Baylor Senior
14 Golden State Warriors Josh Giddey Guard Australia Born 2002
15 Washington Wizards Ziaire Williams Wing Stanford Freshman
16 Boston Celtics Kai Jones Big Texas Sophomore
17 Memphis Grizzlies Jaden Springer Guard Tennesse Freshman
18 Oklahoma City Thunder Usman Garuba Big Spain Born 2002
19 New York Knicks Sharife Cooper Guard Auburn Freshman
20 Atlanta Hawks Jared Butler Guard Baylor Junior
21 New York Knicks Isaiah Jackson Big Kentucky Freshman
22 Los Angeles Lakers Chris Duarte Wing Oregon Senior
23 Houston Rockets Josh Christopher Wing Arizona State Freshman
24 Houston Rockets Day'Ron Sharpe Big North Carolina Freshman
25 Los Angeles Clippers Cam Thomas Wing LSU Freshman
26 Denver Nuggets B.J. Boston Wing Kentucky Freshman
27 Brooklyn Nets Joel Ayayi Guard Gonzaga Junior
28 Philadelphia 76ers Tre Mann Guard Florida Sophomore
29 Phoenix Suns Ayo Dosunmu Guard Illinois Junior
30 Utah Jazz Roko Prkacin Wing Croatia Born 2002


1) Kai Jones, can't really argue with that pick. A lot to like about him, his game and his potential fit on this Celtics team.

2) Am I blind or does that mock not have Sengun going anywhere in the 1st round?


Last year we had pic 14 26 and 30 now look at this draft and see who is at 14 26 and 30 and imagine that we that this year..
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Post#818 » by playa-hater » Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:17 am

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Celtics drafting Cooper would be a nightmare for me. I am completely over undersized PGs like him. Kofi Cockburn reminds me of Kendrick Perkins. He will probably go undrafted though.

Hmm, interesting group. The only 1 of those guys who has been projected by anyone to go anywhere close to the top 16 is Cooper. Seems like most have him in the 20-30 range, though.

I like Cooper's play making/passing ability but absolutely do not like his size at only 6'1" or his inability to shoot (27% from 3).

Hyland is projected in the 25-35 range so seems strange to work him out. 16 seems like a big reach for him, since he doesn't have the play making to play the 1 and he doesn't have the size (only 6'3", 165 lbs) to play the 2. I like his energy, his motor, his quickness, his handle and his shooting. He projects as a really nice bench player, a dude who can come in off the bench and really heat up and give you some scoring and energy off the bench like a Jamal Crawford / Vinnie Johnson type. I just think there's better options in that 16 spot - especially with how deep we are already in the back court. And it seems unlikely Hyland will still be there with our pick no. 45..

I'm hoping we will get some of these guys to Boston for a pre-draft workout:

Josh Giddey
Alperen Sengun
Roko Prkačin
Usman Garuba
Jalen Johnson
Kai Jones
Jared Butler
Davion Mitchell
Jaden Springer
Franz Wagner
Trey Murphy

P.S. a concerning thing is:
McBride = 6'2"
Cooper = 6'1"
Hyland = 6'3" and only 165 lbs

Like, I thought Stevens was the one complaining that we were too small of a team?

WE LIKE OUR SMALL GUARDS


Everyone has always assumed it was all Danny ainge drafting these small guards but I still believes it is Danny ainge and Brad Stevens getting together and they both agree upon the draft picks Brad Stevens played Little players throughout his entire coaching career with Boston.. he seems to love little guys.. I'm telling you it is not all Danny ainge
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#819 » by Hal14 » Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:34 am

playa-hater wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
playa-hater wrote:Today's latest mock. Has my top choice. but also very easy to compare since it is all on the same page.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2021/6/17/22534812/nba-mock-draft-2021-lottery-order-first-round-cade-cunningham

2021 NBA mock draft before the lottery
Number Team Player Position From Year
1 Houston Rockets Cade Cunningham Wing Oklahoma State Freshman
2 Detroit Pistons Evan Mobley Big USC Freshman
3 Orlando Magic Jalen Green Guard G League Ignite Freshman
4 Oklahoma City Thunder Jalen Suggs Guard Gonzaga Freshman
5 Cleveland Cavaliers Jonathan Kuminga Wing G League Ignite Freshman
6 Golden State Warriors (via Wolves) Jalen Johnson Wing Duke Freshman
7 Toronto Raptors Scottie Barnes Big Florida State Freshman
8 Orlando Magic (via Bulls) Franz Wagner Wing Michigan Sophomore
9 Sacramento Kings Keon Johnson Guard Tennesse Freshman
10 New Orleans Pelicans James Bouknight Guard UConn Sophomore
11 Charlotte Hornets Moses Moody Wing Arkansas Freshman
12 San Antonio Spurs Corey Kispert Wing Gonzaga Senior
13 Indiana Pacers Davion Mitchell Guard Baylor Senior
14 Golden State Warriors Josh Giddey Guard Australia Born 2002
15 Washington Wizards Ziaire Williams Wing Stanford Freshman
16 Boston Celtics Kai Jones Big Texas Sophomore
17 Memphis Grizzlies Jaden Springer Guard Tennesse Freshman
18 Oklahoma City Thunder Usman Garuba Big Spain Born 2002
19 New York Knicks Sharife Cooper Guard Auburn Freshman
20 Atlanta Hawks Jared Butler Guard Baylor Junior
21 New York Knicks Isaiah Jackson Big Kentucky Freshman
22 Los Angeles Lakers Chris Duarte Wing Oregon Senior
23 Houston Rockets Josh Christopher Wing Arizona State Freshman
24 Houston Rockets Day'Ron Sharpe Big North Carolina Freshman
25 Los Angeles Clippers Cam Thomas Wing LSU Freshman
26 Denver Nuggets B.J. Boston Wing Kentucky Freshman
27 Brooklyn Nets Joel Ayayi Guard Gonzaga Junior
28 Philadelphia 76ers Tre Mann Guard Florida Sophomore
29 Phoenix Suns Ayo Dosunmu Guard Illinois Junior
30 Utah Jazz Roko Prkacin Wing Croatia Born 2002


1) Kai Jones, can't really argue with that pick. A lot to like about him, his game and his potential fit on this Celtics team.

2) Am I blind or does that mock not have Sengun going anywhere in the 1st round?


Last year we had pic 14 26 and 30 now look at this draft and see who is at 14 26 and 30 and imagine that we that this year..

haha wow, good call. Giddey, Boston and Prkacin. 3 very different players, 3 very talented players. Arguably the 3 of the 20 (or maybe even 15) most talented players in this draft.

For a team like the Magic, Rockets or Thunder, adding those 3 guys would be gold. For a team like us though, we're really only 2 moves away from being a contender IMO. 1 of those moves could be drafting a star with a the 16th pick and then another move. We're already a very young team - if we want to contend we need more veterans.

Bu yeah, for a team more in rebuilding mode, 3 picks in the 1st round of this draft would be money.
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Re: 2021 Craft Your Boston Celtics Draft Thread 

Post#820 » by Hal14 » Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:14 am

Ok, so today my new guy that I am high on is Miles McBride. First off, here's my comparison of him vs Davion Mitchell. Keep in mind, Mitchell is going in the 7-12 range in most mocks, whereas McBride is going in the 30-40 range in most mocks. So clearly McBride is massively underrated. But Adam Spinella does rank McBride no. 19 (and he has Mitchell ranked no. 22) so I am not alone in thinking highly of McBride.

-Usage to Assist ratios are about even. Mitchell = 20.3% usage, 27.7% assist. McBride = 22.9% usage, 28.5% assist. With the those numbers need to keep in mind Mitchell shared PG duties with Butler which contributed to his lower usage and also since Mitchell played with an elite scorer (Butler) it helped jack up his assist numbers. So you'd have to give a slight edge to McBride here
-Both are 6'2", 6'5" wingspan and both built solid/strong
-Seems like Mitchell = better defender..McBride is a solid defender too though
-McBride = better pure scorer who's a true 3-level scorer and is silky smooth scoring on all 3 levels
-McBride = a little quicker, more athletic, more bounce, more explosive
-Age = McBride = 2 years younger
-Spinell's ranking = McBride = 19, Mitchell = 22
-Shooting splits. McBride = 43/41/81. Mitchell = 51/44/64
-McBride = better at shake and bake moves, creating off the bounce
-Baylor vs West Virginia in NCAA Tournament: McBride = 19 points, 8 assists, 4 rebounds, 2 steals, 2 blocks, 2 turnovers in 40 minutes. Mitchell = 20 points, 5 assists, 3 rebounds, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 3 turnovers in 43 minutes. Mitchell had better shooting efficiency from FG and from 3. Overall I'd say they played about even.

Highlight video:


What I see in the video above:
Woah, right off the bat in this video I am thinking to myself "he's a bulldog, he's got the dog in him" especially with how he steals the ball from Cade Cunningham and takes it in like a bat outta hell for the layup. Small but plays bigger with how fearless he is taking the ball inside and going up and scoring over bigger players. I like the enthusiasm/passion he plays with. he's a showman, with 3 plays in a row beginning at :29 mark where he makes a big play and then gets the crowd all pumped up afterwards. He really plays bigger than 6'2" - he even posts up a smaller guard and scores easily at :48 mark. Love the hustle, the quickness in the open floor, the tenacity and determination on the play at :56 as he goes in for the bucket on the break. 1:39 very crafty move, getting the ball inside then letting the defender fly by after he falls for up-fake, resulting in easy layup for McBride. Unbelievable at finishing through contact. Really good at hitting shots off the bounce. A true, 3 level scorer, high energy, always. on the attack, putting pressure on the defense and defensively a ball hawk. Nice shooting form, high release. Love the swagger, at 6:10 mark he shuffles the ball over to a teammate, as his teammate gathers the ball - before the teammate even starts going up with the shot, McBride already starts raising 3 fingers in the air in celebration of his teammate making the shot. As his teammate launches the shot, McBridge starts walking back on defense, holding his 3 fingers up in the air. This shows 2 things - 1) I love the confidence/swagger and 2) He gets just as pumped up about making a play for his teammate / his teammate scoring as he does when HE scores himself. 6:53 McBride hits a 3 in Mitchell's eye. Ay 6:57 mark McBride goes isolation on Mitchell, tries to drive on him but no luck so McBride backs Mitchell down in low post, turns and scores on him easily, wow! Damn! At 7:20 mark he comes from weak side and blocks the shot of a guy who looks like he's 6'5" or 6'6", you got to love a PG who is blocking shots at the rim, wow! I love this guy. At around 8:00 back to back plays, first whee he picks Cade Cunningham's pocket and take it in for a layup, then in help D he shows good anticipation jumping the passing lane, stealing the pass back to the middle and off to the races, goes in for a big 1 handed dunk and then he's all pumped up afterwards, shows emotion, gets the crowd into it. 8:37 shades of Isiah Thomas as he bring it up quick on the break, stops on a dime around foul line, does a little shake and bake crossover and then right up into a pull-up jumper - money. 8:41 what other 6'2" or shooter PG do you see teams throwing lobs to and having the PG sky up there and throw down dunks? Again, shades of Iverson. 8:52 isolates in half court from beyond 3 point line, takes ball and starts driving hard to rim, pulls up on a dime around the elbow and nails a smooth pull-up jumper. 9:13 more shades of Iverson, little head fake and quick burst off the dribble create space, hits another smooth pull-up jumper around the elbow.

This dude is like Allen Iverson except 2 inches taller and stronger physique.

Check out this video, where McBride nails a 3 at the end to tie the game and then a strong drive, gets inside and hits a tough leaner for the game winner:


And, the Spinella scouting report video on him which highlights his excellent on the ball defense, this guy is literally a perfect PG for the modern NBA:


Like many others, I'd rather see the Celtics draft size rather than a small guard. But McBride looks like he could be a star. He could be a Iverson/Kyrie Irving type with better defense and less of a headcase so if they do go for a guard, him (or Jared Butler) could be nice options..
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything :)

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