OT: Bears Talk - Justin Fields era begins

[Hold That]

I wish someone would hit Nagy over the head with a 2x4.

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From the reports I read on today's action, Dalton actually was the better QB of the two. Maybe it's the fans who are automatically assuming that Fields is going to outplay Dalton right away who need the reminder...

I would hope Dalton would look better than fields atleast 1 day out of 5. Otherwise we just paid this man 10mil for nothing.

[Jcool0]

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[fleet]

I wish someone would hit Nagy over the head with a 2x4.

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From the reports I read on today's action, Dalton actually was the better QB of the two. Maybe it's the fans who are automatically assuming that Fields is going to outplay Dalton right away who need the reminder...

I would hope Dalton would look better than fields atleast 1 day out of 5. Otherwise we just paid this man 10mil for nothing.

I’m not actually in town, so I’m not exactly clear on what is going on. But I had thought rookies weren’t even at veterans mini camp which began Tues.

[Susan]

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If there's a way for Lightfoot to **** this up, she will.

The city would be smart to add infrastructure to make the whole museum campus more accessible. A train that goes from somewhere nearby a loop CTA stop + the two Metra stations straight into the museum campus to help make that spot easier for people taking public transit. It's not just for the Bears, it's for the entire campus.

The Bears don't have the money to build a massive stadium, I sure as hell don't think AH has the 5.5B laying around to keep up with the Rams latest stadium. The state isn't about to throw that money around to get the Bears to leave the city so I have no idea how they plan on getting this done. AH is a nightmare for an 80k stadium. The Metra station is more or less useless because Metra requires you to go INTO the city then back out which is a 2+ hour trip each way. They could expand the Blue Line down 90 but why on Earth would the City do that for the Bears after the Bears left the city?

[fleet]

Leaving aside how they would finance it (hopefully new owners arrange it), unless the Mayor is able to provide a (for real this time) modern facility with parking etc, I would support the move. It’s not ideal, rather unappetizing, but it would need to happen at that point. Obviously city residents might have different ideas, but the Bears are also a Chicagoland thing.

[Leslie Forman]

The city would be smart to add infrastructure to make the whole museum campus more accessible. A train that goes from somewhere nearby a loop CTA stop + the two Metra stations straight into the museum campus to help make that spot easier for people taking public transit. It's not just for the Bears, it's for the entire campus.

That would cost more than a new stadium.

I have to imagine this is just to help out their sale price to an actual billionaire.

[Susan]

Leaving aside how they would finance it (hopefully new owners arrange it), unless the Mayor is able to provide a (for real this time) modern facility with parking etc, I would support the move. It’s not ideal, rather unappetizing, but it would need to happen at that point. Obviously city residents might have different ideas, but the Bears are also a Chicagoland thing.

When's the last time you were in Arlington Heights?

AH is a nightmare for South Suburbanites to get to and for City dwellers to get to. West Suburbanites (Naperville) isn't not ideal either.

[fleet]

Leaving aside how they would finance it (hopefully new owners arrange it), unless the Mayor is able to provide a (for real this time) modern facility with parking etc, I would support the move. It’s not ideal, rather unappetizing, but it would need to happen at that point. Obviously city residents might have different ideas, but the Bears are also a Chicagoland thing.

When's the last time you were in Arlington Heights?

AH is a nightmare for South Suburbanites to get to and for City dwellers to get to. West Suburbanites (Naperville) isn't not ideal either.

I don’t remember, and I never went to the track. I know it’s not a straight highway shot, but Sunday traffic can’t be all bad. It would mostly be fan traffic. It’s not a picnic into the city now either. Parking and walking sucks. Public transportation sucks. Tailgating is the worst in the NFL .

[Susan]

The city would be smart to add infrastructure to make the whole museum campus more accessible. A train that goes from somewhere nearby a loop CTA stop + the two Metra stations straight into the museum campus to help make that spot easier for people taking public transit. It's not just for the Bears, it's for the entire campus.

That would cost more than a new stadium.

I have to imagine this is just to help out their sale price to an actual billionaire.

It's infrastructure that could be part of the federal government, no?

And a legit AH proposal would most likely have to include expanding the Blue Line out to AH which would be just as much if not more.

[Leslie Forman]

The city would be smart to add infrastructure to make the whole museum campus more accessible. A train that goes from somewhere nearby a loop CTA stop + the two Metra stations straight into the museum campus to help make that spot easier for people taking public transit. It's not just for the Bears, it's for the entire campus.

That would cost more than a new stadium.

I have to imagine this is just to help out their sale price to an actual billionaire.

It's infrastructure that could be part of the federal government, no?

And a legit AH proposal would most likely have to include expanding the Blue Line out to AH which would be just as much if not more.

Unless the feds are gonna give them a blank check, it would be prohibitively expensive to build all new tracks and stations in a crowded, already built up area like south loop/museum campus. The cost would make a new stadium look downright quaint. Just fixing up the already existing red and purple lines cost over $2billion. And even if the feds did give them billions and billions of dollars, screw Soldier Field, let's finally build the damn circle line.

And the blue line certainly doesn't have to be expanded. There are far more people in the metro area living outside Chicago rather than in it, and god knows how many Bears fans would actually have an easier time getting to Arlington Heights from most other burbs. I'm guessing the majority of Bears game attendees are already from the suburbs anyways. Not having to take the Kennedy or Ike all the way down to the lake and then having to find parking, and then having to walk another 20 or so minutes would be easier for pretty much everyone that isn't in the south suburbs, which let's be real, nobody really cares about. The new location would also make it easier for far western IL/eastern IA and far northern IL/southern WI people to get to.

And of course, if people in the city really wanted to take public transit there…the Metra stop is right there.

[Susan]

That would cost more than a new stadium.

I have to imagine this is just to help out their sale price to an actual billionaire.

It's infrastructure that could be part of the federal government, no?

And a legit AH proposal would most likely have to include expanding the Blue Line out to AH which would be just as much if not more.

Unless the feds are gonna give them a blank check, it would be prohibitively expensive to build all new tracks and stations in a crowded, already built up area like south loop/museum campus. The cost would make a new stadium look downright quaint. Just fixing up the already existing red and purple lines cost over $2billion. And even if the feds did give them billions and billions of dollars, screw Soldier Field, let's finally build the damn circle line.

And the blue line certainly doesn't have to be expanded. There are far more people in the metro area living outside Chicago rather than in it, and god knows how many Bears fans would actually have an easier time getting to Arlington Heights from most other burbs. I'm guessing the majority of Bears game attendees are already from the suburbs anyways. Not having to take the Kennedy or Ike all the way down to the lake and then having to find parking, and then having to walk another 20 or so minutes would be easier for pretty much everyone that isn't in the south suburbs, which let's be real, nobody really cares about. The new location would also make it easier for far western IL/eastern IA and far northern IL/southern WI people to get to.

And of course, if people in the city really wanted to take public transit there…the Metra stop is right there.

Cool, we're not going to agree on how convenient AH is but how are the McCaskeys gunna pay for this? A state of the art stadium just came in at 5.5B (the actual stadium part was 2B, by the time this actually gets built, it's going to be 3B) , they're cash poor and the franchise isn't even worth THAT much.

[fleet]

Present situation is untenable. City has to fix. The facility is a must, parking is a must. If the city can’t do it, franchise will have to find a way to finance the new location. Possible that the city telling the Bears to **** off will get the Bears to turning over every rock into leaving/selling. So, **** off Bears

[Leslie Forman]

Cool, we're not going to agree on how convenient AH is but how are the McCaskeys gunna pay for this? A state of the art stadium just came in at 5.5B (the actual stadium part was 2B, by the time this actually gets built, it's going to be 3B) , they're cash poor and the franchise isn't even worth THAT much.

Maybe they get a loan from the league, maybe they sell to an actual billionaire, who knows? We know they've put a bid in and they've been talking about it forever…they've clearly been planning something. Either way, having their own stadium will make the franchise value absolutely skyrocket.

[Susan]

Present situation is untenable. City has to fix. The facility is a must, parking is a must. If the city can’t do it, franchise will have to find a way to finance a new location. Possible that the city telling the Bears to **** off will get the Bears to turning over every rock into leaving/selling. So, **** off Bears

Parking is not a must if it can be alleviated by public transit. Look at Wrigley. If you're driving into Wrigley, you're a moron.

I'm all for upgrading the facility in Chicago but have the McKaskeys proven to be competent at anything?

[fleet]

Hopefully the McCaskeys are setting up a new ownership. And you don’t tailgate baseball games. It may (not) seem ancillary, but it is. Gotta be able to have a Superbowl too. Wrigley is a unique situation and the NFL is not the same animal as all that. Doubtful football fans want to take their family on the train and bus to games. Sunday football is all encompassing as a modern stadium experience, and besides the McCaskeys, the Bears franchise does not deserve any more handicaps. We have finally got a quarterback, may as well get him a facility to play in.

[Susan]

Cool, we're not going to agree on how convenient AH is but how are the McCaskeys gunna pay for this? A state of the art stadium just came in at 5.5B (the actual stadium part was 2B, by the time this actually gets built, it's going to be 3B) , they're cash poor and the franchise isn't even worth THAT much.

Maybe they get a loan from the league, maybe they sell to an actual billionaire, who knows? We know they've put a bid in and they've been talking about it forever…they've clearly been planning something. Either way, having their own stadium will make the franchise value absolutely skyrocket.

In 1989, Soldier Field's future was in jeopardy after a proposal was created for a "McDome", which was intended to be a domed stadium for the Bears, but was rejected by the Illinois Legislature in 1990. Because of this, Bears president Michael McCaskey considered relocation as a possible factor for a new stadium. The Bears had also purchased options in Hoffman Estates, Elk Grove Village, and Aurora. In 1995, McCaskey announced that he and Northwest Indiana developers agreed to construction of an entertainment complex called "Planet Park", which would also include a new stadium. However, the plan was rejected by the Lake County Council, and in 1998, Chicago mayor Richard M. Daley proposed that the Bears share Comiskey Park with the Chicago White Sox.[21]

They bought land before and they've only bid on this land. If I wanted to actually win a bid on this land, I probably wouldn't be publicly telling the world that I was bidding on it, but that's just me.

[dice]

it is pretty amazing that a storied franchise in the 3rd biggest market has the smallest stadium

[Leslie Forman]

In 1989, Soldier Field's future was in jeopardy after a proposal was created for a "McDome", which was intended to be a domed stadium for the Bears, but was rejected by the Illinois Legislature in 1990. Because of this, Bears president Michael McCaskey considered relocation as a possible factor for a new stadium. The Bears had also purchased options in Hoffman Estates, Elk Grove Village, and Aurora. In 1995, McCaskey announced that he and Northwest Indiana developers agreed to construction of an entertainment complex called "Planet Park", which would also include a new stadium. However, the plan was rejected by the Lake County Council, and in 1998, Chicago mayor Richard M. Daley proposed that the Bears share Comiskey Park with the Chicago White Sox.[21]

They bought land before and they've only bid on this land. If I wanted to actually win a bid on this land, I probably wouldn't be publicly telling the world that I was bidding on it, but that's just me.

This was when they were pulling a Jerry and trying to leverage the city into a new stadium.

Maybe they're bluffing again, but we know there's absolutely no new NEW Soldier Field coming.

[Hold That]

From the reports I read on today's action, Dalton actually was the better QB of the two. Maybe it's the fans who are automatically assuming that Fields is going to outplay Dalton right away who need the reminder...

I would hope Dalton would look better than fields atleast 1 day out of 5. Otherwise we just paid this man 10mil for nothing.

I’m not actually in town, so I’m not exactly clear on what is going on. But I had thought rookies weren’t even at veterans mini camp which began Tues.

Fields was there as well. There’s actually footage of him throwing a cross route to Allen Robinson, who missed the OTAs but reported for mandatory veteran mini camp.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

I don’t know the details of large property purchases, but putting in a bid to buy Arlington racetrack seems like a pretty serious step, doesn’t it?