Woj: Kemba to OKC, Horford to BOS

[Devilanche]

Does OKC even need to tank next year? Kemba can start next to SGA, they can give Collins a max or give Holmes 20 million, they’re gonna have at least one top 5 pick, maybe two top 6…

I imagine Presti plans to flip Kemba, but him and SGA will look good together to start the first 10-20 games of the season. And they don’t really need to tank with the amount of young talent they have, especially if the lottery is nice to them.

Agreed, I don’t think OKC buys out Kemba. If he’s healthy they can showcase him and flip him at the deadline or next offseason for shorter contracts (and probably another pick because Presti is a wizard).

But would kemba be willing participant like horford was? He said he wants to play for a winner. After seeing horford waste a year i dont think he wants to do the same

We offer a season to recover.
Waste of a season but should be good for him in the medium term

[tiderulz]

I love the celtics getting Brown in this deal. Didnt think there was any way OKC would trade him

HIgh energy, defensive, long winged players are not common.

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really? i think there are a lot of energy, defensive players out there, especially ones that are bad shooters (not calling Brown this, i know zero about him). look around the league and you see plenty of offensively challenged players that can only play defense. Orlando has Isaac and traded Gordon, 2 examples.

plus, Brown isnt a wing player is he? 7'2?

[Laimbeer]

Agreed, I don’t think OKC buys out Kemba. If he’s healthy they can showcase him and flip him at the deadline or next offseason for shorter contracts (and probably another pick because Presti is a wizard).

But would kemba be willing participant like horford was? He said he wants to play for a winner. After seeing horford waste a year i dont think he wants to do the same

I don’t know, but my pitch would be: unless you’re willing to take a huge ($20M+) pay cut, a buyout’s off the table; we’ll try to find a trade to get you to a contender and you can help us make that happen by playing well and having a good attitude.

And your pitch would be ignored if the player is so inclined - it worked for Blake and Harden. That said, maybe Kemba isn't that guy.

[Dadouv47]

Over/under of Presti trades this offseason? I got the line at 7.5?

16, 18, and one of Williams/Bazley to move up is already being shopped right?

Lamb, 13, future 2nd for Bazley and 18? 13 and 16 for 9?

Under. We just don't have enough players

[MasterIchiro]

This deal seemed obvious for months.

Love Presti. What he’s doing with this rebuild is beyond impressive.

I like Stevens coming out and fixing issues instead of just building around edges.

Selfishly… This does end one avenue for Dallas to get extra value for KP, in a Kemba swap. So I don’t love it for Dallas.. Did Brad call Dallas and offer Kemba and 16+ for KP? Or not even call Dallas and Realgm is right about KP value atm? Did Dallas say no? Or did Brad try and call Dallas but there’s literally no one at work in Dallas to answer the phone and say Yes? Sad.


But I’d say this is Presti winning another trade.

Celtics have more use for Horford and Moses Brown over KP and Stevens knows his personnel. And Dallas needed to add value with the Celts taking on an extra year of KP. Dallas didn't have an asset to bridge value.

Dallas can still deal with Presti. They can send KP there with an asset for Kemba. KP would make a good mentor for Poku. The question is who is more likely to regain value, Kemba or KP? KP would be the number 2 option in OKC but so is Kemba.

[Texas Chuck]

But would kemba be willing participant like horford was? He said he wants to play for a winner. After seeing horford waste a year i dont think he wants to do the same

I don’t know, but my pitch would be: unless you’re willing to take a huge ($20M+) pay cut, a buyout’s off the table; we’ll try to find a trade to get you to a contender and you can help us make that happen by playing well and having a good attitude.

And your pitch would be ignored if the player is so inclined - it worked for Blake and Harden. That said, maybe Kemba isn't that guy.

OKC is in a position at that point to just send him away from the team. I don't believe they are going to be strong-armed like Houston was. And Detroit was thrilled to save what they did on Blake. That was a huge win for them and him being more useful in Brooklyn is irrelevant to that.

There will be no buyout here. He will likely get flipped again, but Presti isn't putting a huge chunk of dead money he can do nothing with on his books next year. That's part of why he was moving Horford. Can't pay him $30M but paying $15M to be rid of him isn't good either. Better to have Kemba's giant contract to trade next year than to have $30M you can do nothing with.

[gswhoops]

But would kemba be willing participant like horford was? He said he wants to play for a winner. After seeing horford waste a year i dont think he wants to do the same

I don’t know, but my pitch would be: unless you’re willing to take a huge ($20M+) pay cut, a buyout’s off the table; we’ll try to find a trade to get you to a contender and you can help us make that happen by playing well and having a good attitude.

And your pitch would be ignored if the player is so inclined - it worked for Blake and Harden. That said, maybe Kemba isn't that guy.

For sure, but then I just tell Kemba to go home and that he’s not getting his walking papers unless he’s willing to take a huge buyout

[Devilanche]

Over/under of Presti trades this offseason? I got the line at 7.5?

16, 18, and one of Williams/Bazley to move up is already being shopped right?

Lamb, 13, future 2nd for Bazley and 18? 13 and 16 for 9?

Under. We just don't have enough players

We have picks.

Wasn’t there a recent draft whereby a team wheel and deal enough picks to get close enough to their earlier picks but get out a future asset out of it ?

[the_process]

Feels to me like Presti got yet another 1st for swapping bad contracts.

And Boston actually got a C who will help, along with an okay prospect and losing a problem, all for a mid round pick.

All in all, seems win-win. More win for OKC, but still win-win.

On a personal note, I can't wait to see Anna Horford interact with the Boston fans again

[JediMasterRevan]

I love the celtics getting Brown in this deal. Didnt think there was any way OKC would trade him

HIgh energy, defensive, long winged players are not common.

Watch on YouTube

really? i think there are a lot of energy, defensive players out there, especially ones that are bad shooters (not calling Brown this, i know zero about him). look around the league and you see plenty of offensively challenged players that can only play defense. Orlando has Isaac and traded Gordon, 2 examples.

plus, Brown isnt a wing player is he? 7'2?

Longe winged, by that i mean long arms.

And there is afew of those guys out there, but not available.

Allen is a good comp for brown imo. Brown will get alot of dumps and lobs here woth brown amd tatum commanding defenses. And brown actually has a bit of a low post game too.

And he is only 21.

[cl2117]

I love the celtics getting Brown in this deal. Didnt think there was any way OKC would trade him

HIgh energy, defensive, long winged players are not common.

Watch on YouTube

really? i think there are a lot of energy, defensive players out there, especially ones that are bad shooters (not calling Brown this, i know zero about him). look around the league and you see plenty of offensively challenged players that can only play defense. Orlando has Isaac and traded Gordon, 2 examples.

plus, Brown isnt a wing player is he? 7'2?

Longe winged, by that i mean long arms.

And there is afew of those guys out there, but not available.

Allen is a good comp for brown imo. Brown will get alot of dumps and lobs here woth brown amd tatum commanding defenses. And brown actually has a bit of a low post game too.

And he is only 21.

This makes me feel marginally better.

[Scoot McGroot]

Buyout kemba who then goes to lakers? Would chuck still think the system is okay then?

I would expect OKC to ask for at least 15-20 million. Unlike Horford, Kemba's deal is guaranteed.

He can waive his trade kicker amount in exchange for buyout?

Because the deal happens now, the trade kicker is void, as he’s already at his maximum salary.

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[MoneyTalks41890]

Brown is big and long and because of that gets rebounds and can block shots. He's definitely worth taking a look at for Boston. I am not worried about losing him for OKC. They took a look at him and know he's not some diamond in the rough, but it makes it look better for Boston to get a "prospect"

[TGW]

I don't know why OKC included Brown. He's a nice young player.

[BlazersBroncos]

Moses Brown isnt good. At least not right now. He can put up nice raw stats but simply isnt a guy that helps you win games.

Not sure why Brown is being looked at like a get. He is going to be the 3rd string C and take Tako's spot. He has some nice size and is only 21, but has zero offensive awareness and hasnt improved in that area since college. I love him as a 3rd stringer who can put in a few good minutes and slide to 2nd string if there is an injury. But if your playing him rotation minutes regularly, your in trouble.

[hugepatsfan]

Looked it up. If they execute this deal in the 20-21 league year, OKC can salary match because pretty sure the trade kicker doesn’t count for them as incoming. That means OKC won’t have to dip into cap space to do this.

[cl2117]

Brown is big and long and because of that gets rebounds and can block shots. He's definitely worth taking a look at for Boston. I am not worried about losing him for OKC. They took a look at him and know he's not some diamond in the rough, but it makes it look better for Boston to get a "prospect"

If you had to roughly assign him a draft pick value for this draft what would you roughly peg him at? Late first/early second? Later?

[jbk1234]

I think this is a bad trade for the Celtics. They paid to get off Kemba (which is fine) and they're still out of the 2022 F.A. class (which is not).

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[psman2]

Brown is big and long and because of that gets rebounds and can block shots. He's definitely worth taking a look at for Boston. I am not worried about losing him for OKC. They took a look at him and know he's not some diamond in the rough, but it makes it look better for Boston to get a "prospect"

If you had to roughly assign him a draft pick value for this draft what would you roughly peg him at? Late first/early second? Later?

I had him as a later 2nd and a guy you can cut in a roster number crunch. I think Bradley was better.

[Celts17Pride]

I think this is a bad trade for the Celtics. They paid to get off Kemba (which is fine) and they're still out of the 2022 F.A. class (which is not).

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This trade makes it easier for them in that regard to get into the 2022 F.A. class. Still more work to do.