Woj: Kemba to OKC, Horford to BOS

[jbk1234]

Low key winner: The Pelicans might be able to send Adams back to OKC for a late first now.

Low key loser: The Mavs could've opened up a max slot in 2022 even with Horford's partial guarantee if they swapped him for KP. They're one of the few teams that could.

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OKC much more likely to get a first out of taking on Adams than giving one imo.

Dallas already such a loser this week I can't even concern myself with oh noes we can't swap KP for Horford while giving up assets to do so.

The way I wrote the Adams sentence was cryptic, but I meant attach a late first to move to OKC.

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[cl2117]

The thing I hate about the deal is that I'm not all that bothered about creating a max slot. I see a trade being the best avenue to acquire a player of that calibre, but I feel like this gets us further away from that and more towards a FA which can just leave you empty handed and overpaying for lesser pieces. I know Kemba wasn't good trade bait either, but I had more faith in him turning things around than Horford. I guess as is with most trades it depends on what comes next.

I guess you can chalk it up to a flexibility victory for Boston, but I just hate losing trades form a value perspective and the C's clearly lost this one even if the knock-on effects have value to them that compensates for that.

[Dadouv47]

Well and OKC is either going to get the 5th pick from Houston or the 18th from Miami. If OKC has 16 and 18 I imagine they go up to 12 or 13 for Giddey or Sengun. I think at the end of the day OKC is going to make 3 lottery picks in this draft.

yeah I can see Presti combining 16 and 18 to move up and pick Sengun. How we would get 3 lottery picks though?

Not much value left (second rounders, Kenrich, future FRPs)

Idk I just think he will put some other picks on the table or take some other salary to get into the teens and move up a bit. Just a hunch.

Not easy but hope u right

Just need that 75%+ chance of getting a top 5 pick and then we can work to move up a bit. Most important lottery in our franchise history IMO.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Low key winner: The Pelicans might be able to send Adams back to OKC for a late first now.

Low key loser: The Mavs could've opened up a max slot in 2022 even with Horford's partial guarantee if they swapped him for KP. They're one of the few teams that could.

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OKC much more likely to get a first out of taking on Adams than giving one imo.

Dallas already such a loser this week I can't even concern myself with oh noes we can't swap KP for Horford while giving up assets to do so.

The way I wrote the Adams sentence was cryptic, but I meant attach a late first to move to OKC.

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Pels are also a possible Kemba landing spot, no? But I like an Adams deal without him as well.

Kemba for Adams, Bledsoe

Roby, 16, 18 for Adams, 10

TPE for Adams, 2022 LA 1st

[Scoot McGroot]

yeah I can see Presti combining 16 and 18 to move up and pick Sengun. How we would get 3 lottery picks though?

Not much value left (second rounders, Kenrich, future FRPs)

Idk I just think he will put some other picks on the table or take some other salary to get into the teens and move up a bit. Just a hunch.

Not easy but hope u right

Just need that 75%+ chance of getting a top 5 pick and then we can work to move up a bit. Most important lottery in our franchise history IMO.

I think each of 16 and 18 could get up into the late lottery if you eat some salary and add in another small value piece. Like, would Indy deal 13/Lamb for 16/Kenrich? I don’t know. Maybe, maybe not. It’s not insane to think, though.

[the_process]

Follow up for OKC:

Walker, 16, and 18 to NOP for Bledsoe and 10

[Texas Chuck]

I think each of 16 and 18 could get up into the late lottery if you eat some salary and add in another small value piece. Like, would Indy deal 13/Lamb for 16/Kenrich? I don’t know. Maybe, maybe not. It’s not insane to think, though.

I love that deal for Indy so much because it would really be 13/Lamb for 16/Kenrich/one of the Mc's. And that's a huge win. I'd be willing to add some future 2nds even as the Pacers to make that happen.

[jbk1234]

OKC much more likely to get a first out of taking on Adams than giving one imo.

Dallas already such a loser this week I can't even concern myself with oh noes we can't swap KP for Horford while giving up assets to do so.

The way I wrote the Adams sentence was cryptic, but I meant attach a late first to move to OKC.

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Pels are also a possible Kemba landing spot, no? But I like an Adams deal without him as well.

Kemba for Adams, Bledsoe

Roby, 16, 18 for Adams, 10

TPE for Adams, 2022 LA 1st

The Celtics shopped Kemba pretty hard. Absorbing Horford's negative deal and parting with No. 16 was the least expensive option. If the Pelicans were open to that type of deal, even without No. 10, Kemba would be headed to N.O.

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[mhd]

Follow up for OKC:

Walker, 16, and 18 to NOP for Bledsoe and 10

Does NO even have room to do that? Bledsoe makes about 17 million less than Kemba does. Plus, what does that do to Kira Lewis?

[Texas Chuck]

Follow up for OKC:

Walker, 16, and 18 to NOP for Bledsoe and 10

Does NO even have room to do that? Bledsoe makes about 17 million less than Kemba does. Plus, what does that do to Kira Lewis?

Money definitely doesn't work. But for Kira it allows him to continue on a backup as he should be for now.

[Scoot McGroot]

I think each of 16 and 18 could get up into the late lottery if you eat some salary and add in another small value piece. Like, would Indy deal 13/Lamb for 16/Kenrich? I don’t know. Maybe, maybe not. It’s not insane to think, though.

I love that deal for Indy so much because it would really be 13/Lamb for 16/Kenrich/one of the Mc's. And that's a huge win. I'd be willing to add some future 2nds even as the Pacers to make that happen.

Yeah. There is an argument to be made that we should let Doug walk and just draft best player at 13 in the idea that 13 would yield a better player than 16. But

[Dr Positivity]

Good deal for Boston considering Stevens played hardball and got Brown and OKC 2nd out of it. Kemba will be OKC's latest pump and dump.

[Texas Chuck]

I think each of 16 and 18 could get up into the late lottery if you eat some salary and add in another small value piece. Like, would Indy deal 13/Lamb for 16/Kenrich? I don’t know. Maybe, maybe not. It’s not insane to think, though.

I love that deal for Indy so much because it would really be 13/Lamb for 16/Kenrich/one of the Mc's. And that's a huge win. I'd be willing to add some future 2nds even as the Pacers to make that happen.

Yeah. There is an argument to be made that we should let Doug walk and just draft best player at 13 in the idea that 13 would yield a better player than 16. But

Also a decent chance the player you would pick at 13 is sitting there at 16. Obviously if you really love a guy and he's sitting there at 13 you do not make this trade and grab your guy and if you want to reallocate Lamb's money you find a different path off of it.

But without knowing the specifics of the Indy draft board and how the draft plays out--just on in general value I really love it for the Pacers.

[the_process]

Follow up for OKC:

Walker, 16, and 18 to NOP for Bledsoe and 10

Does NO even have room to do that? Bledsoe makes about 17 million less than Kemba does. Plus, what does that do to Kira Lewis?

Money definitely doesn't work. But for Kira it allows him to continue on a backup as he should be for now.

Didn't realize Bledsoe only made 18M. My bad.

[nykballa2k4]

Buyout kemba who then goes to lakers? Would chuck still think the system is okay then?

If the Thunder and Kemba agree a buyout is in their best interest and Kemba and the Lakers then decide him signing there is in their best interest I remain 100% fine with it. I believe strongly in player agency. I'm not looking to hinder Kemba because other people hate LA and can't handle the optics.

I don't think that is one bit fair. If Kemba was not on OKC payroll, then I would be fine with it, but the notion of being paid by a tank team so you can play for a contending team is a double-dip and a problem. Lowry is a bit better (some would probably argue much better) at this point and a team is going to have to use considerable cap to sign him. Kemba will waltz in for free if $ isn't an issue.

If you want freedom of movement in off season as well as on the court, just make the NBA a giant socialism game. All $ is paid for production and being on the roster on a per-day basis. No more contracts. If you are on a roster you get paid, the better you perform the better you are paid.

[Scoot McGroot]

Buyout kemba who then goes to lakers? Would chuck still think the system is okay then?

If the Thunder and Kemba agree a buyout is in their best interest and Kemba and the Lakers then decide him signing there is in their best interest I remain 100% fine with it. I believe strongly in player agency. I'm not looking to hinder Kemba because other people hate LA and can't handle the optics.

I don't think that is one bit fair. If Kemba was not on OKC payroll, then I would be fine with it, but the notion of being paid by a tank team so you can play for a contending team is a double-dip and a problem. Lowry is a bit better (some would probably argue much better) at this point and a team is going to have to use considerable cap to sign him. Kemba will waltz in for free if $ isn't an issue.

If you want freedom of movement in off season as well as on the court, just make the NBA a giant socialism game. All $ is paid for production and being on the roster on a per-day basis. No more contracts. If you are on a roster you get paid, the better you perform the better you are paid.

In this hypothetical, the Lakers would only be able to sign Kemba with the MLE, maybe even just the taxpayer MLE. Lowry also has the right to sign the MLE anywhere he wants, if he so chooses. But Kemba, if the team decides they’d rather pay him to go away than rehab his value, can’t play wherever he wants, for his market salary?

[Texas Chuck]

You guys are framing this incorrectly and then getting mad about it. If OKC buys him out then he is a free agent. He is in no way obligated to sign with the Lakers for less than his market value. He could easily go take $20M to play for the Knicks, right? But if David West wants to opt out of an 8 figure contract with the Pacers to sign for the min with the Spurs that was his choice. And while it sucks for the Pacers nothing should have prevented him from that choice.

And how much money he is making from outside revenue(the Thunder in this case) is irrelevant. Sure guys who have made a ton of money already are more likely to go play for winners for cheap, but again that should be their choice.

If OKC does not want to pay him all that money to not play for them but to play for someone else they simply won't buy him out. They will only buy him out if they think it is in the best interest of the OKC Thunder.

I continue to just be gobsmacked about the amount of angst free agents choosing their team causes you guys. Especially in situations that aren't happening. We somehow turning freaking suck-ass Andre Drummond signing with the Lakers into an avalanche of every star player forcing buyouts to sign there too. This is not a real thing that we need to worry about.

[basketballwacko2]

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Wow I don't know what the Thunder wants with Kemba. But there's another draft pick the 16th pick.

[BlazersBroncos]

What about this follow up:

OKC TRADES - Kemba Walker, 16, 18, 2023 DEN FRP
OKC RECEIVES - Steven Adams, 10

WHY? Save $$$, move up in draft, get an old friend.

HOU TRADES - Christian Wood
HOUR RECEIVES - Eric Bledsoe, 16, 18, 2023 DEN FRP

WHY? Cash in on Wood.

NO TRADES - Eric Bledsoe, Steven Adams, 10
NO RECEIVES - Kemba Walker, Christian Wood

WHY? Get two better roster fits and a potential long term running mate in Wood for Zion.

G - Kemba Walker
G - Lonzo Ball
F - Brandon Ingram
F - Zion Williamson
C - Christian Wood

[cl2117]

You guys are framing this incorrectly and then getting mad about it. If OKC buys him out then he is a free agent. He is in no way obligated to sign with the Lakers for less than his market value. He could easily go take $20M to play for the Knicks, right? But if David West wants to opt out of an 8 figure contract with the Pacers to sign for the min with the Spurs that was his choice. And while it sucks for the Pacers nothing should have prevented him from that choice.

And how much money he is making from outside revenue(the Thunder in this case) is irrelevant. Sure guys who have made a ton of money already are more likely to go play for winners for cheap, but again that should be their choice.

If OKC does not want to pay him all that money to not play for them but to play for someone else they simply won't buy him out. They will only buy him out if they think it is in the best interest of the OKC Thunder.

I continue to just be gobsmacked about the amount of angst free agents choosing their team causes you guys. Especially in situations that aren't happening. We somehow turning freaking suck-ass Andre Drummond signing with the Lakers into an avalanche of every star player forcing buyouts to sign there too. This is not a real thing that we need to worry about.

Not to derail this thread, but I think you always frame it incorrectly as well. You act as if players should always have the right to go anywhere they want whenever they want, but already have rules in place that limit this to try to keep from teams getting unfair advantages (waivers, cutoff date for playoff rosters etc.).

Now under the current rules he absolutely should be able to go play for anyone at any price he likes because there isn't anything there stopping it currently, but it absolutely benefits a smaller group of teams unfairly. But it's not ridiculous to want to change that at the expense of the player getting the buyout. Why should the league dynamics be shifted because a player decides he wants out on his current team? Just because he's willing to give back money? Doesn't make sense to me at all. It's not like it'd be preventing guys signing mutli-year deals, it's stopping 25 regular season games of mercenary work followed by a playoff run. Don't see how stopping that is overly infringing on player's mobility.

And you bandy about Andre Drummond as if Blake Griffin isn't having a significant impact on a series about to go 7 for the team favored to win it all.