Celtics trade Kemba Walker for Al Horford

[celticfan42487]

Yesterday they had almost no ability or flexibility to bring in another star via trade in a way that made sense. Today they do. And the defense just got better by default, so, yeah, it fits your criteria.

So brining in sub 30 games a year, 35 year old Horford, who the year prior Philly paid a 1rst just to get off their team, and losing the #16 pick means now we've improved our trade package for a star?

The difference between today and yesterday is the owners avoid luxury tax and the Celtics franchise lost the #16 pick.

Not sure how you can mental gymnastics it to mean we just improved our assets for a star but hey good for you.

Do you remember when we traded the 7th pick and Raef for Sebastian freaking Telfair and Theo Ratliff’s Expiring Contract? Same deal. The mental gymnastics are ignoring the context of this move.

So you're saying the follow up move is trading a top 5 pick for an older allstar. Well I look forward to us tanking and getting a top 5 pick next year then.

And trading our young star for a 30 something MVP ala Harden. Aka trading Horford and Jaylen Brown next year for Harden? I'm sure that will work out for us.

I'll take the Occam's Razor approach here because this move is pretty obvious. No luxury tax mandate by owners and it cost us the #16 pick in a deep draft.

[greenroom31]

The Celtics are better team now, but this is a bad trade.

Horford is a washed up big who probably would have been bought out. To trade ANYTHING to get him is an overspend, to trade a mid first and 20ppg guard is absurd.

Brad saw Kemba's frailty, is lack of balls in the big moment, and the overall beta mindset of the team and knew he needed to make a move. But the rest of the league doesn't know all that. Kemba is worth more than this.

That said, the Celtics are better today because Horford brings an adult mindset to the room with his quiet alpha presence, and that was the single biggest issue with the team last year.

We saved at least $20M over the next 2 years and improved at a position of need (big man depth). Kemba couldn't stay healthy this year, even with regular rest. Horford at least had most of a season to rest.

[London2Boston]

Horford’s contract ain’t exactly great either and he’s essentially done too. Should have just kept #16. Then again we would have probably blew the puck anyway.


At least have have Anna Horford on Twitter again.

[Homerclease]

It should, every trade should solely be evaluated with did it make the team better today and better in the next 2 years because Tatum has his finger on the trade demand button as soon as his max kicks in.

Yesterday they had almost no ability or flexibility to bring in another star via trade in a way that made sense. Today they do. And the defense just got better by default, so, yeah, it fits your criteria.

So brining in sub 30 games a year, 35 year old Horford, who the year prior Philly paid a 1rst just to get off their team, and losing the #16 pick means now we've improved our trade package for a star?

The difference between today and yesterday is the owners avoid luxury tax and the Celtics franchise lost the #16 pick.

Not sure how you can mental gymnastics it to mean we just improved our assets for a star but hey good for you.

What a trash post.

How many games did Kemba play last year?

Horford was averaging 15/7 and had the Thunder hovering at .500 before they shut him down healthy to tank.

You’re a better poster than this when you try.

[batabatuta]

Read on Twitter

Kinda tells you how bad he wants Kemba out.

[Hal14]

Horford will be a great mentor for Timelord. Rob bout to average 5apg

5apg?

Rob is already one of our best passers.

I'm hoping Horford can teach Rob how to shoot

Not just shoot, but to post up as well. Rob is limited to catching lobs and put backs. This trade gave us size. Plus an assurance for Rob, who would probably be injured again, and will be on minutes restriction till the playoffs If Horford plays like 75% of 2018 horford, then this was a good deal.

Thompson was insurance for Rob. But I assume Thompson is getting traded next..

[Jingles]

So brining in sub 30 games a year, 35 year old Horford, who the year prior Philly paid a 1rst just to get off their team, and losing the #16 pick means now we've improved our trade package for a star?

The difference between today and yesterday is the owners avoid luxury tax and the Celtics franchise lost the #16 pick.

Not sure how you can mental gymnastics it to mean we just improved our assets for a star but hey good for you.

Do you remember when we traded the 7th pick and Raef for Sebastian freaking Telfair and Theo Ratliff’s Expiring Contract? Same deal. The mental gymnastics are ignoring the context of this move.

So you're saying the follow up move is trading a top 5 pick for an older allstar. Well I look forward to us tanking and getting a top 5 pick next year then.

And trading our young star for a 30 something MVP ala Harden. Aka trading Horford and Jaylen Brown next year for Harden? I'm sure that will work out for us.

The follow up move is that we now actually have the flexibility to make follow up moves.

[jumblin]

I want Lonzo on this team. If they use the money saved from Kemba to get him, that makes this a much different trade.

[celticfan42487]

Yesterday they had almost no ability or flexibility to bring in another star via trade in a way that made sense. Today they do. And the defense just got better by default, so, yeah, it fits your criteria.

So brining in sub 30 games a year, 35 year old Horford, who the year prior Philly paid a 1rst just to get off their team, and losing the #16 pick means now we've improved our trade package for a star?

The difference between today and yesterday is the owners avoid luxury tax and the Celtics franchise lost the #16 pick.

Not sure how you can mental gymnastics it to mean we just improved our assets for a star but hey good for you.

What a trash post.

How many games did Kemba play last year?

Horford was averaging 15/7 and had the Thunder hovering at .500 before they shut him down healthy to tank.

You’re a better poster than this when you try.

More than 35 year old Al Horford. About 1.5x the amount of games of Al Horford actually last year.

I'd suggest I'm not the one who isn't trying here. Or at least perhaps you're trying really hard to sell yourself on this.

[Parliament10]

5apg?

Rob is already one of our best passers.

I'm hoping Horford can teach Rob how to shoot

Not just shoot, but to post up as well. Rob is limited to catching lobs and put backs. This trade gave us size. Plus an assurance for Rob, who would probably be injured again, and will be on minutes restriction till the playoffs If Horford plays like 75% of 2018 horford, then this was a good deal.

Thompson was insurance for Rob. But I assume Thompson is getting traded next..

Yeah. I think that Thompson has one foot out the door.

[Homerclease]

So brining in sub 30 games a year, 35 year old Horford, who the year prior Philly paid a 1rst just to get off their team, and losing the #16 pick means now we've improved our trade package for a star?

The difference between today and yesterday is the owners avoid luxury tax and the Celtics franchise lost the #16 pick.

Not sure how you can mental gymnastics it to mean we just improved our assets for a star but hey good for you.

What a trash post.

How many games did Kemba play last year?

Horford was averaging 15/7 and had the Thunder hovering at .500 before they shut him down healthy to tank.

You’re a better poster than this when you try.

More than 35 year old Al Horford. About 1.5x the amount of games of Al Horford actually last year.

I'd suggest I'm not the one who isn't trying here. Or at least perhaps you're trying really hard to sell yourself on this.

They shut him down healthy. You know this. Everyone knows this, but you have pretzel logic yourself into a position you can’t get out of

[celticfan42487]

Do you remember when we traded the 7th pick and Raef for Sebastian freaking Telfair and Theo Ratliff’s Expiring Contract? Same deal. The mental gymnastics are ignoring the context of this move.

So you're saying the follow up move is trading a top 5 pick for an older allstar. Well I look forward to us tanking and getting a top 5 pick next year then.

And trading our young star for a 30 something MVP ala Harden. Aka trading Horford and Jaylen Brown next year for Harden? I'm sure that will work out for us.

The follow up move is that we now actually have the flexibility to make follow up moves.

I'd suggest we had more options with a #16 pick than we did with a contract that makes it easier to avoid the luxury tax.

We don't get anything for avoiding the luxury tax as a franchise, just the owners do. It doesn't add value to the team.

[lon3lytoaster]

I want Lonzo on this team. If they use the money saved from Kemba to get him, that makes this a much different trade.

I do, too. His shot is honestly pretty damn good looking now. Is a real PG (for the most part.) Was disappointed we didn't get him at the deadline.

We need the movement to be better, Lonzo and Al is a good start. Would also look at moving Jaylen for the right package to remove some redundancy with Tatum.

[batabatuta]

This was all about flexibility to take on another 3rd star. Expect Smart and Timelord and TT to be dealt with next as well as cleaning the 3rd stringers, especially the undersized PGs. We are absolutely not going to pay Smart good money to ball hog and chuck games again. Stevens has had enough of that.

[Jingles]

Horford’s contract ain’t exactly great either and he’s essentially done too. Should have just kept #16. Then again we would have probably blew the puck anyway.


At least have have Anna Horford on Twitter again.

His deal is only $14 mil guaranteed in the final year so actually pretty interesting as salary fodder since the cap/matching value is much higher. Similar to when we Minny happily took Theo Ratliff’s deal knowing it was covered by insurance if he couldn’t play.

[celticfan42487]

What a trash post.

How many games did Kemba play last year?

Horford was averaging 15/7 and had the Thunder hovering at .500 before they shut him down healthy to tank.

You’re a better poster than this when you try.

More than 35 year old Al Horford. About 1.5x the amount of games of Al Horford actually last year.

I'd suggest I'm not the one who isn't trying here. Or at least perhaps you're trying really hard to sell yourself on this.

They shut him down healthy. You know this. Everyone knows this, but you have pretzel logic yourself into a position you can’t get out of

Sure, literatlly nothing I said can be refuted but go ahead. 35 year old Horford is a better asset than the 16 pick. So is this thrown in Center.

Keep asking quesiton like how many games Kemba played when he put up 20 5 and 4 last year and played in 1.5x the amount of games than Horford.

The best argument anyone has is maybe this allows us to resign Fournier this year or next year or magically a KG will walk through this door as a result.

It is what it is. We sometimes have to lose a lot of talent due to not having a lot of money in the front office and not being a destination MVPs come to in the off seaosn for free like NY, CA, or FL.

[ddb]

bring in the killer B's (Beal/Ball).

Jaylen/Timelord for Beal

Smart/TT for Ball (S/T): NOLA needs to win and win soon to convince Zion to stay. Smart/TT bring veteran leadership and toughness

Re-Sign Fournier

Romeo/Edwards for SloMo (into TPE)

Sign a veteran 3/D guy like Otto Porter

Ball/Beal/Tatum/Porter/Horford
Pritch/Fournier/Nesmith/SloMo/Brown

[celticfan42487]

Horford’s contract ain’t exactly great either and he’s essentially done too. Should have just kept #16. Then again we would have probably blew the puck anyway.


At least have have Anna Horford on Twitter again.

His deal is only $14 mil guaranteed in the final year so actually pretty interesting as salary fodder since the cap/matching value is much higher. Similar to when we Minny happily took Theo Ratliff’s deal knowing it was covered by insurance if he couldn’t play.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/cap/

So that's great but look at what it means as the whole on the roster.

The #16 pick is a cost controlled asset. But players that aren't are Fournier and Marcus Smart.

Do you think we can resign Fournier and Marcus Smart for less than 14 more than they're getting today? If not then that extra cap room you just made there goes away.

Which I'm not saying is a bad GM move as you want to keep one of those two to trade later, but if your owners would pay a small amount of money you could have kept one of them and the #16 pick while just letting Kemba expire.

[Homerclease]

More than 35 year old Al Horford. About 1.5x the amount of games of Al Horford actually last year.

I'd suggest I'm not the one who isn't trying here. Or at least perhaps you're trying really hard to sell yourself on this.

They shut him down healthy. You know this. Everyone knows this, but you have pretzel logic yourself into a position you can’t get out of

Sure, literatlly nothing I said can be refuted but go ahead. 35 year old Horford is a better asset than the 16 pick. So is this thrown in Center.

Keep asking quesiton like how many games Kemba played when he put up 20 5 and 4 last year and played in 1.5x the amount of games than Horford.

The best argument anyone has is maybe this allows us to resign Fournier this year or next year or magically a KG will walk through this door as a result.

It is what it is. We sometimes have to lose a lot of talent due to not having a lot of money in the front office and not being a destination MVPs come to in the off seaosn for free like NY, CA, or FL.

A 35 year old Horford is a much better asset than a one legged Kemba Walker. Yes. It isn’t close either.

Horford is healthy, Kemba isn’t. Horford plays defense, Kemba doesn’t. Horford can pass, Kemba is an ISO chucker who can’t shoot efficiently anymore.

I don’t even know why I’m wasting brain power on this one tbh.

All of this is irrelevant anyway as the primary mission of shedding Kembas albatross deal was accomplished.

We didn’t lose talent. Period.

[jumblin]

bring in the killer B's (Beal/Ball).

Jaylen/Timelord for Beal

Smart/TT for Ball (S/T): NOLA needs to win and win soon to convince Zion to stay. Smart/TT bring veteran leadership and toughness

Re-Sign Fournier

Romeo/Edwards for SloMo (into TPE)

Sign a veteran 3/D guy like Otto Porter

Ball/Beal/Tatum/Porter/Horford
Pritch/Fournier/Nesmith/SloMo/Brown

Hard pass on Beal. We need guys with more fire and balls, not less. With Tatum and Beal as your leaders you would have one of the softest teams in the league. Beal has been a great talent for years who has never won anything. Not interested in that.

Imo no small part of moving Kemba was getting rid of his balls for Horfords balls.