Celtics trade Kemba Walker for Al Horford

[gocelts]

Making significant changes to this roster was never going to happen with the ball and chain of Kemba's contract.
This needed to be done.
I hate hate hate coughing up that pick and this sort of gives Brad a cop out on the draft...but at least we got someone back that fills a need and wont be such a liability on the court and on our books.

[JediMasterRevan]

If we take out the players in the deal then we're just short one #16 overall pick. Which is also my main concern. We lost assets for the future to trade for a star because we couldn't just sit there and let Kemba expire.

First off, wait until everything is done, we may yet end up with a draft pick after all with players most likely on the move.

Second off - Moses for the #16 is a solid, very solid pick. Kid has 2 years NBA experience, is long and tall, has elite skills, knows his role on the floor and is proven. Still only 21 years old.

Third leaves leaves Kemba and a 2nd rounder to get a player who is healthier, fits the team FAR better, and expires sooner with his half salary guarantee next season.

Lastly, This saves boston loads and allows team to resign Fournier

Yeah that's fair. And for the record I don't give a *** about gaining or losing Kemba, Horford, or Moses.

I really don't consider any of them assets for the team. I only care about losing a near lottery pick in a very deep draft for nothing on a team desperate for talent.

I also have no concerns with having TT, Rob, Horford, Moses on this team because history would suggest that there will be a lot of games we won't have Horford or Rob for many games next year so we have plenty of minutes to go around.

As for Fournier, I'm not sure we can resign him AND Smart AND Rob.

Which for everyone saying oh we now get Beal, Rob's QO has a cap hold of 10 million on it. We would have to have a team with talent to attract Beal and I don't think just Jaylen and Tatum and Pritchard is enough. Hitting a gold mine pick on the #16 might change the landscape of the team though.

And again if the price of keeping the #16 pick was just keeping Kemba then I'm not estatic at losing it for a few luxury tax dollars if theoretically the owners would pay those same dollars down the line to keep Fournier and Smart. I'd rather have the #16 pick than Fournier for sure as it's a cost controlled asset for the long term and could develop into a good trading piece.

All that said this is all very much theorycraft and we'll see how it goes. But that's my only concerns, if we didn't trade the #16 pick in this draft then I wouldn't give any ***s. I'm sure we'll have the 16 pick again next year just in a far worse draft and one year close to Tatum being able to demand a trade which should come with 2 years or 1 year left on his contract.

I would not be surprised in the least for this team to have another draft pick between now and the draft as the result of a follow up trade.

Timelord and a second to houston for 22 and 23 for example.

Love that deal.

[JHTruth]

I'm a big TimeLord guy too but it seems like a bunch of you guys are forgetting the dude never actually plays.

Please. "Never actually plays". He played the same number of games as Kawhi Leonard this year. Sixteen games more than AD. Seven more games than LeBron. Nine more games than Kemba. Two less games than Kyrie. And that's even with missed games due to COVID.

It was a tough season for injuries. Hard to judge players on that this year.

[Froob]

Meh with the first round pick complaints.

- You got rid of little Kemba with the gimpy knee on one of the worst contracts in the league.
- Brought back a solid veteran big man, who was a great mentor for this team, as admitted by your stars in Tatum & Brown.
- Additionally acquired a 7'2", 21-year-old big man, who destroyed us in head-to-head competition previously.
- Along with saving a decent amount of cap money that now leads to an increased flexibility in the trade market.
- Plus, Yam Mader is essentially our first round pick this year anyway....and he looks pretty good.

This trade was a win for Brad.

Let's not get too excited about Yam, he's playing in a league I didn't even know existed lol.

[Jingles]

Don’t get a few of the opinions I’ve read here that Brown, who was undrafted, is equivalent to the 16th pick in a deep draft. The Thunder don’t either - which is why they gave him up. He is certainly NOT a Timelord replacement in any shape or form - though Horford gives us flexibility there.

From what I’ve seen and read about him from
Thunder fans, he’s tall and can rebound but was a pretty terrible player for them. His best is to develop into a situational guy.

Okay deal - I get the rationale but a bit hard to stomach given strength of this draft. Whether it’s worth it will largely depend on what we are able to do with the cap flexibility.

Agreed that the ultimate outcome depends on the other shoes dropping, but in terms of the draft, if it’s deep, picks in the 20s can be bought and the talent isn’t a huge drop off if there’s a guy you love. I think the newfound flexibility is easily worth more than the 16th pick given that the team’s future depends on being able to bring in another star to play with Tatum. Right now, that flexibility brings us much closer to that outcome than a middling 1st rounder.

That’s all true.

Isn’t Presti doing this deal partly because he thinks he can rebuild Kemba’s value (he was playing well earlier in the year, after all)?

I’ll be interested to see what he eventually gets for Kemba if that pans out.

They are in rebuild/asset collection mode and can afford to wait a year for him to be an expiring contract in a way that the Celtics couldn’t. Even if they get nothing for him it is worth it for them to get the pick. It’s going to be tough for them to get much value simply because of the size of the deal.

[JediMasterRevan]

I'm a big TimeLord guy too but it seems like a bunch of you guys are forgetting the dude never actually plays.

Please. "Never actually plays". He played the same number of games as Kawhi Leonard this year. Sixteen games more than AD. Seven more games than LeBron. Nine more games than Kemba. Two less games than Kyrie. And that's even with missed games due to COVID.

It was a tough season for injuries. Hard to judge players on that this year.

OVER 3 SEASON

Timelord has missed 113 of a possible 226 games

50%

that is not JUST THIS SEASON

[JediMasterRevan]

Meh with the first round pick complaints.

- You got rid of little Kemba with the gimpy knee on one of the worst contracts in the league.
- Brought back a solid veteran big man, who was a great mentor for this team, as admitted by your stars in Tatum & Brown.
- Additionally acquired a 7'2", 21-year-old big man, who destroyed us in head-to-head competition previously.
- Along with saving a decent amount of cap money that now leads to an increased flexibility in the trade market.
- Plus, Yam Mader is essentially our first round pick this year anyway....and he looks pretty good.

This trade was a win for Brad.

Let's not get too excited about Yam, he's playing in a league I didn't even know existed lol.

He looks really good though

[chrisab123]

Timelord is about as durable as my 92 year old grandma. he's entering the final year of his rookie deal...he is going to be expensive beyond this year and as much as I like Timelord, I am not sold on him being worth the long-term investment. I view Timelord much more as a valuable trade chip to bring something back that can help the team for years to come. remember, it takes something to get something.

For example Timelord S&T Fournier and TT for Ball and Adams

People around here would be pissed

But this would be an excellent starting 5 in the east.

Adams is totally f***** washed. TimeLord Fournier, and TT is WAAAAAAAAAY too much for Ball.

Horrendous trade

Did you watch Ball last year?

[ParticleMan]

So you're saying the follow up move is trading a top 5 pick for an older allstar. Well I look forward to us tanking and getting a top 5 pick next year then.

And trading our young star for a 30 something MVP ala Harden. Aka trading Horford and Jaylen Brown next year for Harden? I'm sure that will work out for us.

The follow up move is that we now actually have the flexibility to make follow up moves.

I'd suggest we had more options with a #16 pick than we did with a contract that makes it easier to avoid the luxury tax.

We don't get anything for avoiding the luxury tax as a franchise, just the owners do. It doesn't add value to the team.

meh, the offseason's far from done. let's see if we actually end up avoiding the tax.

this move was a basketball move, pure and simple. kemba had to be traded. he had negative value. i wish he wasn't damaged good but he is. the player he is now was a very poor fit next to the jays.

horford put up the same numbers he did with us when he played, and he is healthy. if nothing else, he's a big voice in the locker room that plays the game the right way.

kemba frustrated the living hell out of me with his come-off-the-screen 3's without ever passing, and it rubbed off on tatum and brown too. it was infuriating, that's just not good basketball even if it goes in, which it usually didn't.

i was honestly surprised that they were willing to throw in brown. i thought we'd have to dump the pick for nothing. who cares that he was undrafted, a true 7-foot young big who averaged 8 and 8 last year is better than what you usually get with a 16th pick.

[Hal14]

Moses and time lord = Block Party!

Yeah. You can't play the 2 of them at the same time obviously, but the thought of always having 1 guy in the game who's a young athletic big who can block shots, rebound and dunk on people is fun.

Horford with his defensive versatility and outside shooting could play some 4..

The 3 of them could be solid. Now, how will we trade Thompson?

[MrGreenRunsDeep]

Time to get rid of Langford …

[BigTrade92]

Meh with the first round pick complaints.

- You got rid of little Kemba with the gimpy knee on one of the worst contracts in the league.
- Brought back a solid veteran big man, who was a great mentor for this team, as admitted by your stars in Tatum & Brown.
- Additionally acquired a 7'2", 21-year-old big man, who destroyed us in head-to-head competition previously.
- Along with saving a decent amount of cap money that now leads to an increased flexibility in the trade market.
- Plus, Yam Mader is essentially our first round pick this year anyway....and he looks pretty good.

This trade was a win for Brad.

Let's not get too excited about Yam, he's playing in a league I didn't even know existed lol.

Lol I mean, you may not know of it, but the Israeli Basketball Premier League has been around since like the 50's and is pretty well regarded. Many serviceable NBA players got their start in Israel, such as Omri Casspi, Anthony Parker, etc.

The Celtics brass usually has a decent grasp for overseas guys, so I feel pretty good that Yam will make the team at some point.

[chrisab123]

Time to get rid of Langford …

If Stevens gets 2 bags of Hot Fries for Romeo he wins the trade.

[Hal14]

I'm a big TimeLord guy too but it seems like a bunch of you guys are forgetting the dude never actually plays.

Please. "Never actually plays". He played the same number of games as Kawhi Leonard this year. Sixteen games more than AD. Seven more games than LeBron. Nine more games than Kemba. Two less games than Kyrie. And that's even with missed games due to COVID.

It was a tough season for injuries. Hard to judge players on that this year.

OVER 3 SEASON

Timelord has missed 113 of a possible 226 games

50%

that is not JUST THIS SEASON

First 3 seasons in the league

Time Lord = 113 games
Embiid = 31 games

[Fantaxp7]

Time to get rid of Langford …

If Stevens gets 2 bags of Hot Fries for Romeo he wins the trade.

I guess I'm not so low on Romeo. If the right trade comes around sure get rid of him but seems he might be a decent depth guy.

I got one more season's patience for Romeo and his injuries. He looked promising in the Nets series.

[Bad-Thoma]

Holy ****, getting Moses in this turns it from a meh, flexibility trade to a solid win for me. He had a stretch where he was killing it last season, and while it might have been pyrite playing for okc he's well worth the gamble.

[Celts17Pride]

First off, wait until everything is done, we may yet end up with a draft pick after all with players most likely on the move.

Second off - Moses for the #16 is a solid, very solid pick. Kid has 2 years NBA experience, is long and tall, has elite skills, knows his role on the floor and is proven. Still only 21 years old.

Third leaves leaves Kemba and a 2nd rounder to get a player who is healthier, fits the team FAR better, and expires sooner with his half salary guarantee next season.

Lastly, This saves boston loads and allows team to resign Fournier

Yeah that's fair. And for the record I don't give a *** about gaining or losing Kemba, Horford, or Moses.

I really don't consider any of them assets for the team. I only care about losing a near lottery pick in a very deep draft for nothing on a team desperate for talent.

I also have no concerns with having TT, Rob, Horford, Moses on this team because history would suggest that there will be a lot of games we won't have Horford or Rob for many games next year so we have plenty of minutes to go around.

As for Fournier, I'm not sure we can resign him AND Smart AND Rob.

Which for everyone saying oh we now get Beal, Rob's QO has a cap hold of 10 million on it. We would have to have a team with talent to attract Beal and I don't think just Jaylen and Tatum and Pritchard is enough. Hitting a gold mine pick on the #16 might change the landscape of the team though.

And again if the price of keeping the #16 pick was just keeping Kemba then I'm not estatic at losing it for a few luxury tax dollars if theoretically the owners would pay those same dollars down the line to keep Fournier and Smart. I'd rather have the #16 pick than Fournier for sure as it's a cost controlled asset for the long term and could develop into a good trading piece.

All that said this is all very much theorycraft and we'll see how it goes. But that's my only concerns, if we didn't trade the #16 pick in this draft then I wouldn't give any ***s. I'm sure we'll have the 16 pick again next year just in a far worse draft and one year close to Tatum being able to demand a trade which should come with 2 years or 1 year left on his contract.

I would not be surprised in the least for this team to have another draft pick between now and the draft as the result of a follow up trade.

Timelord and a second to houston for 22 and 23 for example.

Love that deal.

Cetics have Langford, Neismith, G Williams, Moses Brown, TimeLord, Edwards, Pritchard and Yam Madar probably coming over next year. The last thing the Celtics need right now is another raw draft pick.

[chrisab123]

Yeah that's fair. And for the record I don't give a *** about gaining or losing Kemba, Horford, or Moses.

I really don't consider any of them assets for the team. I only care about losing a near lottery pick in a very deep draft for nothing on a team desperate for talent.

I also have no concerns with having TT, Rob, Horford, Moses on this team because history would suggest that there will be a lot of games we won't have Horford or Rob for many games next year so we have plenty of minutes to go around.

As for Fournier, I'm not sure we can resign him AND Smart AND Rob.

Which for everyone saying oh we now get Beal, Rob's QO has a cap hold of 10 million on it. We would have to have a team with talent to attract Beal and I don't think just Jaylen and Tatum and Pritchard is enough. Hitting a gold mine pick on the #16 might change the landscape of the team though.

And again if the price of keeping the #16 pick was just keeping Kemba then I'm not estatic at losing it for a few luxury tax dollars if theoretically the owners would pay those same dollars down the line to keep Fournier and Smart. I'd rather have the #16 pick than Fournier for sure as it's a cost controlled asset for the long term and could develop into a good trading piece.

All that said this is all very much theorycraft and we'll see how it goes. But that's my only concerns, if we didn't trade the #16 pick in this draft then I wouldn't give any ***s. I'm sure we'll have the 16 pick again next year just in a far worse draft and one year close to Tatum being able to demand a trade which should come with 2 years or 1 year left on his contract.

I would not be surprised in the least for this team to have another draft pick between now and the draft as the result of a follow up trade.

Timelord and a second to houston for 22 and 23 for example.

Love that deal.

Cetics have Langford, Neismith, G Williams, Moses Brown, TimeLord, Edwards, Pritchard and Yam Madar probably coming over next year. The last thing the Celtics need right now is another raw draft pick.

Timelord Pritchard Neismith and Brown are legitimate NBA players. The rest....jobbers

[ParticleMan]

Time to get rid of Langford …

why? i'd rather keep him than smart, given the cost. if he can avoid covid/injuries he seems like a pretty solid player.

[JediMasterRevan]

Yeah that's fair. And for the record I don't give a *** about gaining or losing Kemba, Horford, or Moses.

I really don't consider any of them assets for the team. I only care about losing a near lottery pick in a very deep draft for nothing on a team desperate for talent.

I also have no concerns with having TT, Rob, Horford, Moses on this team because history would suggest that there will be a lot of games we won't have Horford or Rob for many games next year so we have plenty of minutes to go around.

As for Fournier, I'm not sure we can resign him AND Smart AND Rob.

Which for everyone saying oh we now get Beal, Rob's QO has a cap hold of 10 million on it. We would have to have a team with talent to attract Beal and I don't think just Jaylen and Tatum and Pritchard is enough. Hitting a gold mine pick on the #16 might change the landscape of the team though.

And again if the price of keeping the #16 pick was just keeping Kemba then I'm not estatic at losing it for a few luxury tax dollars if theoretically the owners would pay those same dollars down the line to keep Fournier and Smart. I'd rather have the #16 pick than Fournier for sure as it's a cost controlled asset for the long term and could develop into a good trading piece.

All that said this is all very much theorycraft and we'll see how it goes. But that's my only concerns, if we didn't trade the #16 pick in this draft then I wouldn't give any ***s. I'm sure we'll have the 16 pick again next year just in a far worse draft and one year close to Tatum being able to demand a trade which should come with 2 years or 1 year left on his contract.

I would not be surprised in the least for this team to have another draft pick between now and the draft as the result of a follow up trade.

Timelord and a second to houston for 22 and 23 for example.

Love that deal.

Cetics have Langford, Neismith, G Williams, Moses Brown, TimeLord, Edwards, Pritchard and Yam Madar probably coming over next year. The last thing the Celtics need right now is another raw draft pick.

Depends on if they can use those picks on acquiring other assets.

Another option is

TImelord and Romeo for #11 (Giddey?)