Celtics trade Kemba Walker for Al Horford

[Hal14]

Meh with the first round pick complaints.

- You got rid of little Kemba with the gimpy knee on one of the worst contracts in the league.
- Brought back a solid veteran big man, who was a great mentor for this team, as admitted by your stars in Tatum & Brown.
- Additionally acquired a 7'2", 21-year-old big man, who destroyed us in head-to-head competition previously.
- Along with saving a decent amount of cap money that now leads to an increased flexibility in the trade market.
- Plus, Yam Mader is essentially our first round pick this year anyway....and he looks pretty good.

This trade was a win for Brad.

Let's not get too excited about Yam, he's playing in a league I didn't even know existed lol.

He looks really good though

I'm totally comfortable going into next season with Pritchard, Madar and X as our point guards. X would be either Smart or we possibly trade Smart and acquire a different PG via trade or free agency, IDK, someone like Rubio, Ball or someone else..

I am high on Madar. I think he could turn into a really special player. 40% shooter from 3, has 3 years experience playing professionally overseas, would instantly become one of the 10 best defensive PGs in the league, good play maker, very quick, good size at 6'3", etc.

I figure either Smart or X is your starting PG and you have Pritchard and Madar compete for mins at the backup PG spot..

[chrisab123]

Please. "Never actually plays". He played the same number of games as Kawhi Leonard this year. Sixteen games more than AD. Seven more games than LeBron. Nine more games than Kemba. Two less games than Kyrie. And that's even with missed games due to COVID.

It was a tough season for injuries. Hard to judge players on that this year.

OVER 3 SEASON

Timelord has missed 113 of a possible 226 games

50%

that is not JUST THIS SEASON

First 3 seasons in the league

Time Lord = 113 games
Embiid = 31 games

Embiid was a top 3 pick that would have been taken first by Cleveland had he been healthy. He also missed 2 full seasons with injury. I like RW3 but he doesn't have that ceiling.

[chrisab123]

Time to get rid of Langford …

why? i'd rather keep him than smart, given the cost. if he can avoid covid/injuries he seems like a pretty solid player.

Dude is a jobber. He's going to be a great player in the CBA in a couple seasons.

[BigTrade92]

Let's not get too excited about Yam, he's playing in a league I didn't even know existed lol.

He looks really good though

I'm totally comfortable going into next season with Pritchard, Madar and X as our point guards. X would be either Smart or we possibly trade Smart and acquire a different PG via trade or free agency, IDK, someone like Rubio, Ball or someone else..

I am high on Madar. I think he could turn into a really special player. 40% shooter from 3, has 3 years experience playing professionally overseas, would instantly become one of the 10 best defensive PGs in the league, good play maker, very quick, etc.

I figure either Smart or X is your starting PG and you have Pritchard and Madar compete for mins at the backup PG spot..

Total agreement. I'm cool to roll with one of Smart/Ball/Trade Acquisition along with Pritchard and Mader.

Mader is only 20 years old, was one of the youngest IBPL players signed and is the youngest player ever to win the league's Most Improved Award.

If he wasn't selected in 2020, he would've easily moved up the draft boards considerably this year.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Having the ability to keep fournier is massive

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[Hal14]

OVER 3 SEASON

Timelord has missed 113 of a possible 226 games

50%

that is not JUST THIS SEASON

First 3 seasons in the league

Time Lord = 113 games
Embiid = 31 games

Embiid was a top 3 pick that would have been taken first by Cleveland had he been healthy. He also missed 2 full seasons with injury. I like RW3 but he doesn't have that ceiling.

1) I'm not saying he has embiid's ceiling, just that you can't write him off completely for durability issues when he has been far more durable in his first 3 years than embiid was

2) Jay Bilas called Time Lord a top 5 talent in the draft. He only slipped to our pick because of injury and work ethic concerns..

[zoyathedestroya]

We had to get off the Kemba money yesterday. Danny wasn't able to get that done. Glad Brad didn't over-analyze and pulled the trigger on the first decent deal available.

Horford will be a very good mentor for the Williams twins and can still give us at least 25 mpg of above average production/impact. A steadying presence was severely lacking in the two years he was not here.

Can't complain about giving up a middling 1st and also complain about having too many young guys on the roster.

If anything, good or bad, I like that Brad was decisive re Kemba.

But come to think of it, it wouldn't surprise me if Dany and co. already had this in the pipeline and Stevens was just the one to officially execute the deal.

[makubesu]

Time to get rid of Langford …

why? i'd rather keep him than smart, given the cost. if he can avoid covid/injuries he seems like a pretty solid player.

A lot of posters just want to trade any player they don’t like. There is zero benefit to trading him, he’s on a cheap contract and has little value on the market.

[Curmudgeon]

I hope Tatum and Brown were consulted before Stevens pulled the trigger.

[Blaze4G]

I'd like to grab a true point guard. I don't like making Smart the primary ball handler. There any we can get?

I really want tj mcconnell!

[makubesu]

First 3 seasons in the league

Time Lord = 113 games
Embiid = 31 games

Embiid was a top 3 pick that would have been taken first by Cleveland had he been healthy. He also missed 2 full seasons with injury. I like RW3 but he doesn't have that ceiling.

1) I'm not saying he has embiid's ceiling, just that you can't write him off completely for durability issues when he has been far more durable in his first 3 years than embiid was

2) Jay Bilas called Time Lord a top 5 talent in the draft. He only slipped to our pick because of injury and work ethic concerns..

I think you’ve got to take a gamble in time lord. The upside is an all star that can anchor your team against monsters like Embiid and Giannis and who will be on a well below market contract. We’re not going to get remotely similar value elsewhere.

[ddb]

I hope Tatum and Brown were consulted before Stevens pulled the trigger.

I'm pretty confident JT/JB are 100% fine with Al coming back in exchange for Kemba. Not that they didn't like Kemba, but he was just always hurt and it never seemed like he was a big part of the organization. Horford is an OG father figure for JB/JT. Those guys I'm sure feel good about teaming up with Al again.

[ryaningf]

Trader Brad in the house!

Give Brad an A- for this (this minus is because we can't know the opportunity cost in making this deal now versus doing another deal later versus standing pat).

I had no expectations for Brad as a GM, so suffice to say he has surpassed them. I think we got the 2 best players in the deal (right now) in Moses Brown and Al Horford. The draft picks might changed that calculation within a few years but for now things look pretty pretty good.

Moses Brown is a beast - long arms, active, plays hard, dunks, rebounds, and runs the floor. If he never improves from today, he's like a beefier Nicolas Claxton. These types of centers are out of fashion these days, but they still have a role and can soak up minutes and be very useful bench pieces. I love that he worked up from undrafted to G-League too; I doubt he's gonna stop grinding now.

Al still has game too; the passing, shooting, leadership is what we need most and none of that is subject to aging so we will get what we need from him.

We have a legit and supremely versatile center rotation now, Timelord, Al, Moses Brown, and Grant Williams (I am assuming Tristan is jettisoned this offseason - it was a bad signing from jumpstreet). We can go small/shooting, we can go big and shotblocking/rim running, we can play pick and roll, pick and pop, and we can defend the perimeter and the interior. We have the personnel to play all styles - and that's so huge come playoff time.

[ddb]

an underrated element to all of this is how it now seems more obvious than ever that there was a major disconnect between Brad & Danny over the Horford/Kemba situation a couple years ago. Today's trade has a lot to do with $$ and flexibility, but there's also an element of Brad bringing back a player I don't think he ever wanted to lose in the first place.

[GotDaSauce]

Time to get rid of Langford …

If Stevens gets 2 bags of Hot Fries for Romeo he wins the trade.

Romeo is an Indiana guy. He is more likely to get a Supermax offer from Brad then being traded! Lol

[ddb]

Trader Brad in the house!

Give Brad an A- for this (this minus is because we can't know the opportunity cost in making this deal now versus doing another deal later versus standing pat).

I had no expectations for Brad as a GM, so suffice to say he has surpassed them. I think we got the 2 best players in the deal (right now) in Moses Brown and Al Horford. The draft picks might changed that calculation within a few years but for now things look pretty pretty good.

Moses Brown is a beast - long arms, active, plays hard, dunks, rebounds, and runs the floor. If he never improves from today, he's like a beefier Nicolas Claxton. These types of centers are out of fashion these days, but they still have a role and can soak up minutes and be very useful bench pieces. I love that he worked up from undrafted to G-League too; I doubt he's gonna stop grinding now.

Al still has game too; the passing, shooting, leadership is what we need most and none of that is subject to aging so we will get what we need from him.

We have a legit and supremely versatile center rotation now, Timelord, Al, Moses Brown, and Grant Williams (I am assuming Tristan is jettisoned this offseason - it was a bad signing from jumpstreet). We can go small/shooting, we can go big and shotblocking/rim running, we can play pick and roll, pick and pop, and we can defend the perimeter and the interior. We have the personnel to play all styles - and that's so huge come playoff time.

Yup! Brad just acquired his Hassan Whiteside (the motivated version pre getting paid! lol).

[ddb]

Time to get rid of Langford …

If Stevens gets 2 bags of Hot Fries for Romeo he wins the trade.

Romeo is an Indiana guy. He is more likely to get a Supermax offer from Brad then being traded! Lol

this is going to sound crazy, but I have a good feeling about Romeo. I think he's going to be a good player sooner vs later. I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him burst onto the scene in 21-22.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Brad’s advice to Evan Turner: hit singles. This is a single. A safe, safe deal.

Can’t remember the last time we made a trade to get out of a really bad contract. Never good business to give up a 1st, but we can afford to.

Horford is less salary and able to facilitate in a lesser role, just don’t know how much he has left. We were resting him all the time when he was here.

1. What’s coming next for the point guard spot?

2. Does Kyle Anderson still fit?

2. Are we keeping Langford and Nesmith or is Brad going to remake the roster with veteran role players?

We had too many young guys last year. But it’s good business to have higher upside players maturing at the back of the rotation. Guys who can hold a spot on the floor with defense and grow into larger offensive roles.

[snowman]

I like this trade for ALOT of reasons.

1) We save 9 mil off the top for this season. Without this, I doubt the owners would resign Fournier, so I look at this part of the trade as Kemba for Horford and Fournier. I know Fournier will cost more than 9 mil, but he wont cost 9 mil more than the 17 mil he got paid this past year. I look at this as a win.

2) We save 23 mil off of 22-23 season unless we go to or win the finals. If we can do that, this is money well spent. If not, it does free up the ability to have some FA money where we wouldn't have it at all. Another win.

3) Folks on here are saying that Moses Brown is not worth much. I have to disagree with that assessment. Last year Timelord at 23 years old, had 4 games in which he had a double double in points and rebounds. Tristan Thompson at 31, had 7 double double games, and Moses Brown at 21, had 11. Brown had 17 out of 43 games in which he had 10 or more rebounds, Thompson had 21, in 59 games, Timelord had 9 in 52 games. Thompson had 33 blocks, and Brown had 47 blocks, Timelord had 91 blocks. Stats say Brown is a better rebounder than Timelord but not as good as Thompson, is a better rim protector than Thompson but not as good as Timelord. (few are) Brown is also 7'2 versus Timelord at 6'8 and Thompson at 6'9 but is also under team control for 3 more seasons at less than 2 mil a season. I think Timelord and Brown can be are center rotation for years to come. Big win.

4) Horford can be an excellent mentor for both Timelord and Moses, and Moses can be a insurance policy for Timelords health.
Another win.

5) I can just see Smart tossing up lobs to Timelord and Moses all game. ( instead of jacking up 3's early in the shot clock)

So again, I look at this trade as being Kemba, the 16th and a 2025 2nd for Horford, Fournier, Brown and a 2023 2nd and possible salary cap room to sign a FA in 2022. Or, Kemba for Horford and a resigned Fournier, then #16 and a 2025 2nd for Brown and a 2023 2nd and cap space. Big win I'll take all day.