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Re: Celtics trade Kemba Walker for Al Horford 

Post#361 » by JHTruth » Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:58 pm

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ddb wrote:an underrated element to all of this is how it now seems more obvious than ever that there was a major disconnect between Brad & Danny over the Horford/Kemba situation a couple years ago. Today's trade has a lot to do with $$ and flexibility, but there's also an element of Brad bringing back a player I don't think he ever wanted to lose in the first place.


I highly doubt Brad put together this deal in his own in a couple weeks. The framework for a deal this impactful to the cap and the team takes time to put together. Danny out together the framework, Brad just pulled the trigger


Nah, this was Brad/Zarren. Brad and Presti have a great relationship, made it easy.


How do we know Brad and Presti have a "great relationship"?
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Post#362 » by JHTruth » Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:59 pm

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CelticFaninLBC wrote:Can see Rob Williams getting dealt now.

More likely Tristan Thompson


Don’t be so sure.


Now that Brad has his Al Binkie Security Blanket back look for a Rob for Bum trade incoming
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Post#363 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:04 pm

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Read on Twitter


This doesn't sound like Beal in the Summer 2022


Yah, Fournier, an MLE guy and trading TT for a guard/wing gives us a decently deep roster with actual bench players
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Re: Celtics trade Kemba Walker for Al Horford 

Post#364 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:06 pm

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I can't wait to see your reaction when Stevens acquires Beal without giving up JT/JB


Impossible


Nope. Free agency next summer.


We just need the threat and Beal can force his way here next season. He wouldnt want to waste another year anyways.

Smart, whomever we trade TT for and one young player + picks would get it done if Beal played the game and told other teams they could **** right off
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Re: Celtics trade Kemba Walker for Al Horford 

Post#365 » by Feed Your Head » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:07 pm

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I highly doubt Brad put together this deal in his own in a couple weeks. The framework for a deal this impactful to the cap and the team takes time to put together. Danny out together the framework, Brad just pulled the trigger


Nah, this was Brad/Zarren. Brad and Presti have a great relationship, made it easy.


How do we know Brad and Presti have a "great relationship"?


Because multiple reporters tweeted about it earlier?
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Re: Celtics trade Kemba Walker for Al Horford 

Post#366 » by JHTruth » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:09 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
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Impossible


Nope. Free agency next summer.


We just need the threat and Beal can force his way here next season. He wouldnt want to waste another year anyways.

Smart, whomever we trade TT for and one young player + picks would get it done if Beal played the game.


I've seen zero indication that Beal is looking for that kind of power move. Everyone assumes that the fact that Tatum and Beal are friends automatically means they really want to play together and Beal is on his way out no matter what. Beal has never shown any inclination that he prefers to play elsewhere. Lots of shoes have to drop before Beal is in BOS.
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Re: Celtics trade Kemba Walker for Al Horford 

Post#367 » by Feed Your Head » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:09 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
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Edug27 wrote:
Impossible


Nope. Free agency next summer.


We just need the threat and Beal can force his way here next season. He wouldnt want to waste another year anyways.

Smart, whomever we trade TT for and one young player + picks would get it done if Beal played the game and told other teams they could **** right off


Agreed about that part.

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Nope. Free agency next summer.


Yea true. By “acquire” I took that as a trade, not free agency.


Only way that’d be possible is if Beal somewhat forced the Wizards hand.

Free agency is obviously much more likely.
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Re: Celtics trade Kemba Walker for Al Horford 

Post#368 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:11 pm

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Nope. Free agency next summer.


We just need the threat and Beal can force his way here next season. He wouldnt want to waste another year anyways.

Smart, whomever we trade TT for and one young player + picks would get it done if Beal played the game.


I've seen zero indication that Beal is looking for that kind of power move. Everyone assumes that the fact that Tatum and Beal are friends automatically means they really want to play together and Beal is on his way out no matter what. Beal has never shown any inclination that he prefers to play elsewhere. Lots of shoes have to drop before Beal is in BOS.


Yah and Harden publicly professed his love for Houston snd said he was never leaving. And Kyrie said he was never leaving Cleveland [or here lol].

Its meaningless PR.
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Post#369 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:12 pm

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Nope. Free agency next summer.


We just need the threat and Beal can force his way here next season. He wouldnt want to waste another year anyways.

Smart, whomever we trade TT for and one young player + picks would get it done if Beal played the game and told other teams they could **** right off


Agreed about that part.

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Yea true. By “acquire” I took that as a trade, not free agency.


Only way that’d be possible is if Beal somewhat forced the Wizards hand.

Free agency is obviously much more likely.


Im confident Jayson will press the issue this olympics. Hes close with Kyrie and knows how the game is played today.
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Re: Celtics trade Kemba Walker for Al Horford 

Post#370 » by JHTruth » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:15 pm

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We just need the threat and Beal can force his way here next season. He wouldnt want to waste another year anyways.

Smart, whomever we trade TT for and one young player + picks would get it done if Beal played the game.


I've seen zero indication that Beal is looking for that kind of power move. Everyone assumes that the fact that Tatum and Beal are friends automatically means they really want to play together and Beal is on his way out no matter what. Beal has never shown any inclination that he prefers to play elsewhere. Lots of shoes have to drop before Beal is in BOS.


Yah and Harden publicly professed his love for Houston snd said he was never leaving. And Kyrie said he was never leaving Cleveland [or here lol].

Its meaningless PR.


Lots of guys are friends in the NBA guys. Doesn't mean they are all dying to force their way out of town to play with each other. Doesn't always work out to win Chips wither.
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Re: Celtics trade Kemba Walker for Al Horford 

Post#371 » by Feed Your Head » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:19 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
The Comedian wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
We just need the threat and Beal can force his way here next season. He wouldnt want to waste another year anyways.

Smart, whomever we trade TT for and one young player + picks would get it done if Beal played the game and told other teams they could **** right off


Agreed about that part.

The Comedian wrote:
Only way that’d be possible is if Beal somewhat forced the Wizards hand.

Free agency is obviously much more likely.


Im confident Jayson will press the issue this olympics. Hes close with Kyrie and knows how the game is played today.


Oh, they know that he recruited Kemba, and were VERY in favor of him playing in the olympics. You can put the rest together lol.
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Re: Celtics trade Kemba Walker for Al Horford 

Post#372 » by AgentGreen » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:20 pm

Looks like Stevens really prefered Al Horford on his roster. Good move though. Together with Fournier we will have some solid bench contributors. Horford can space the floor as well.

Now lets hope Nesmith and Pritchard will take another leap next season. This could be very fun to watch again.
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Re: Celtics trade Kemba Walker for Al Horford 

Post#373 » by zimpy27 » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:25 pm

Kemba wasn't much of a playmaker but still had the highest ast% on the team.

Are you guys expecting to bring in another playmaker? Perhaps use Smart and TT to trade for one?
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Post#374 » by fallguy » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:26 pm

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CelticFaninLBC wrote:Can see Rob Williams getting dealt now.

More likely Tristan Thompson


Don’t be so sure.


Yup. My thoughts too.
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Post#375 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:27 pm

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I've seen zero indication that Beal is looking for that kind of power move. Everyone assumes that the fact that Tatum and Beal are friends automatically means they really want to play together and Beal is on his way out no matter what. Beal has never shown any inclination that he prefers to play elsewhere. Lots of shoes have to drop before Beal is in BOS.


Yah and Harden publicly professed his love for Houston snd said he was never leaving. And Kyrie said he was never leaving Cleveland [or here lol].

Its meaningless PR.


Lots of guys are friends in the NBA guys. Doesn't mean they are all dying to force their way out of town to play with each other. Doesn't always work out to win Chips wither.


Like KD, Harden and Kyrie? Or LeBron and Wade and Bosh? Or LeBron and AD?

Guys want to play with the friends nowadays. It is what it is. I get it— i like to work with friends too.
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Post#376 » by SmartWentCrazy » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:30 pm

zimpy27 wrote:Kemba wasn't much of a playmaker but still had the highest ast% on the team.

Are you guys expecting to bring in another playmaker? Perhaps use Smart and TT to trade for one?


Ideally Tatum and Brown keep improving as playmakers and Smart is PG going forward
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Re: Celtics trade Kemba Walker for Al Horford 

Post#377 » by Jammer » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:32 pm

JHTruth wrote:
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Celts17Pride wrote:More likely Tristan Thompson


Don’t be so sure.


Now that Brad has his Al Binkie Security Blanket back look for a Rob for Bum trade incoming


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post#378 » by flintsky21 » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:33 pm

TT is a definite goner, but would there be takers? Even then there would still be quite a logjam at the 5 (as it seems like for the Celtics each year). Will we see Big Al play some 4? I'd definitely want to have Brown and Timelord soak all the minutes at 5 if possible.
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Post#379 » by Jingles » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:33 pm

Spin Move wrote:I hate this, Kemba would have been easy to trade as an expiring in the offseason. Yes it saves 30 million if we cut horford next year but we paid to move a contract of a guy who put up 20 5 and 4 after the all star break last year.

Oklahoma City will let him score a ton and absolutly trade him for positive value when he is an expiring. This is such a short cited move to save a little luxary tax money and leaves us with fewer assest to attract a real third star.

I HATE this trade. Brad Stevens just got taken advantage of by Same Presti.

Brown is solid he is worth a late 1st but we couldnt even get OKC to send back one of the later low ist round picks? Bad deal


I wouldn’t be so sure $38 mil will be that easy to move for value unless they are still in asset mode and repeat the cycle of taking picks stapled to another bad contract—an option not available to Boston. It’s a lot of money. I suspect there is a decent chance he is simply bought out at some point.

There is also the issue of that contract blocking our ability to acquire someone BEFORE Kemba is expiring. This summer and the deadline represent two player movement opportunities where we’d be agonizing over having that anchor on the roster.

I also don’t think we should care what OKC does with him. If they let him run wild, fine, but there was no way Boston would let him do that in an attempt to accrue value while trying to stay competitive. The teams are in totally different situations with regards to the best way to bring in talent. Ours demands being flexible with mid-range contracts and wait for a star to break loose who wants to play with Tatum. When that happens, it doesn’t matter that we can’t offer a middling 1st rounder. History shows that pick volume gets it done and pick quality often doesn’t matter.

I also happen to think this puts us in better position to reshape the team identity in a way they couldn’t with Kemba demanding minutes and such a huge chunk of the cap.
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Re: Celtics trade Kemba Walker for Al Horford 

Post#380 » by JHTruth » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:46 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
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Yah and Harden publicly professed his love for Houston snd said he was never leaving. And Kyrie said he was never leaving Cleveland [or here lol].

Its meaningless PR.


Lots of guys are friends in the NBA guys. Doesn't mean they are all dying to force their way out of town to play with each other. Doesn't always work out to win Chips wither.


Like KD, Harden and Kyrie? Or LeBron and Wade and Bosh? Or LeBron and AD?

Guys want to play with the friends nowadays. It is what it is. I get it— i like to work with friends too.


You mentioned three teams. How many guys are boys in the NBA you think? Beal isn't a super-super star that has that kind of power though

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