Trades, Transactions and Ideas Thread

[HornetJail]

i love this for OKC. keep on buying low and selling high. Presti is a genius for this, even without #16 this is a win for OKC

[vtime]

I think people are not understanding why it WAS a bad contract. It was a bad contract for what Boston was trying to do. They were in the 2020 conference finals and have taken a step back. For them he was a 3rd option, who had a down year due to injury and didn’t fit their rebuild/reload anymore. In reality, he’s a guy that made 4 consecutive all star games from 2017-2020 and can really play once he gets back healthy. His value to Boston dropped but not his overall value. This is not one of the worst contracts in the league. It’s not long in length, it’s 2 expensive years for an all star player. This is like saying Jimmy Butler is a bad contract. Same draft, no rings, similar production

[Froob]

Is Moses Brown any good? Wish Kemba well with you guys!

[Froob]

Kemba wasn't as bad as a lot of people are pretending.

Some truth to this…I would have rather tried to salvage Kemba than take back Al tbh contracts aside.

Kemba was not very good in the bubble playoffs which doesn’t help his argument that it was all injuries.

Overall great trade for okc. I don’t think Kemba has a high ceiling as a guy deep in the playoffs, but he’s a nice get for the thunder.

[Dadouv47]

Is Moses Brown any good? Wish Kemba well with you guys!

I'm reeally low on Brown, he only 3-4 very good games with us. That being said, he mainly played with very bad teammates and few games with SGA so playing with a good team with opponents that will double Tatum/Brown could help him a lot. AL is still legit though so that's the most important for you guys

[vtime]

Moses can play. Better ft shooter than a lot inside. Extreme length and athleticism, decent hands. Makes silly fouls, but he can play. Doesn’t stretch the floor.

[Devilanche]

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Nothing too surprising here, just that we'll be supposedly working with Kemba to find him a new home like we did with CP and Al

I'm thankful that to this point none of our bad contracts have been locker room problem guys. I'm not sure whose left worse than Kemba that isn't perceived as a malcontent.

Thats the thing , I don’t see how Kemba will be a locker room problem. We just going to let him recuperate , rehab his value and then trade him to a playoff team just in time for him to go out and earn a new contract.

[MagicBagley18]

Kemba will be great for the locker room and when he plays he can perform well enough to get you guys another asset down the road. Trade was a win win imo. Presti did a great job and the potential cap flexibility this could provide us next summer is huge.

Moses is whatever don’t expect much and 16 was great for you guys but the Celtics don’t really need anymore young guys but vets. Solid move for both teams

[Dadouv47]

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Nothing too surprising here, just that we'll be supposedly working with Kemba to find him a new home like we did with CP and Al

I'm thankful that to this point none of our bad contracts have been locker room problem guys. I'm not sure whose left worse than Kemba that isn't perceived as a malcontent.

Thats the thing , I don’t see how Kemba will be a locker room problem. We just going to let him recuperate , rehab his value and then trade him to a playoff team just in time for him to go out and earn a new contract.

Not worried at all about Kemba being a locker room problem.

Gonna be difficult for him to rehab his trade value for us to get some neutral/positive value or for him to pass on his player option and get a new contract though.

I think Kemba will likely start the RS with the Thunder but so much can happen in the meantime that I guess it's not worth speculate too much about it right now

[Devilanche]

I'm thankful that to this point none of our bad contracts have been locker room problem guys. I'm not sure whose left worse than Kemba that isn't perceived as a malcontent.

Thats the thing , I don’t see how Kemba will be a locker room problem. We just going to let him recuperate , rehab his value and then trade him to a playoff team just in time for him to go out and earn a new contract.

Not worried at all about Kemba being a locker room problem.

Gonna be difficult for him to rehab his trade value for us to get some neutral/positive value or for him to pass on his player option and get a new contract though.

I think Kemba will likely start the RS with the Thunder but so much can happen in the meantime that I guess it's not worth speculate too much about it right now

Meant that as rehab his value , pick up his option and get traded elsewhere to earn a new contract . He would have to have a wildly successful season to even consider passing on that player option.

[Dadouv47]

Some think we are going to make a lot of trades but I wonder how with such a few players to move (even if we have a billion pick).
Gonna need a lot of movement to have a decent young squad for next season though

Keepers right now are probably : SGA, Dort, Maledon, Poku, Jerome, Bazley & Roby (the last two are not good enough to have trade value).

Then we have Kemba, Williams, Deck, maybe Micic (probably traded) and hope we resign one of Bradley or Mykha.

Not that exciting...If we don't have high draft picks we are screwed. Either way it's time for Presti to do something even if he doesn't want to accelerate the rebuild too fast.

[Old Man Game]

Is Moses Brown any good? Wish Kemba well with you guys!

He was born about 10 years too late if that makes sense. In an earlier era before everyone shot a hundred threes a game and centers could focus more on rebounds, blocks and dunks instead of cover out to the three point line, he would be very well regarded around the league.




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[slicedbread2]

You can't really go wrong with this deal. The Thunder managed to achieve the following:

-Acquiring another 1st this time in the mid-round while taking on a bad contract player who has high character. The last part is extremely important as having someone who's willing to work with the franchise and actually put in the effort to try and get better is important especially knowing that they could be sent to a better situation if the opportunity arises.
-Working with player agents. Agents will remember Presti as someone who's amicable to setting up a positive environment that allows established vets to rehab their value to the point that it's movable when the time comes. This along with signing and giving young players a chance to shine in the NBA when it wouldn't have been as available on other teams is important case in point Kenrich Williams and Moses Brown. Those 2 busted their butts off and now have contracts albeit their years are not guaranteed. Even if the commission is only 3.5%, it's important b/c case in point Fred Vanvleet and Tyler Johnson for instance. Those dudes shined as undrafted players who were in the g-league then got their big payday.
-Getting Boston a $6.9M trade exception and cap flexibility. Maintaining and developing cordial relations with other F.O. is very important. Danny Ainge was such a miser that his antics caused other GM's to avoid dealing with him b/c he'd break his word and try to squeeze more juice out of a lemon if you will. There's a reason Brad Stevens is in charge now. The C's will now have an opportunity to resign Fournier and perhaps OKC could use the remainder of the Gallo TPE to absorb Thompson's expiring deal and get more future 2nds a la the way Philly paid out 3 2nds(1 to NY and 2 to OKC) to acquire George Hill. The C's also gain the opportunity to use what's left of the Hayward TPE plus Walker TPE to fill out the roster as they see fit.

The Thunder have multiple trade exceptions to work with:

-Danilo Gallinarii: $10.1M(8/9/21):Date TBD
-Steven Adams: $27,528,088(8/8/21): Date TBD
-Jalen Lecque: $1,517,981(8/10/21): Date TBD
-Trevor Ariza: $12.8M(2/3/22)
-George Hill: $9,590,602(2/11/22)

Honestly if OKC wants, they could move some of those guys they have no intention of keeping. I could see them moving the rights to Micic or anyone else somewhere like NOLA for instance and eat Bled's deal and get a haul like they did for Kemba as the Pelicans are trying to find a way to resign Lonzo or gain more leverage in the event they choose to S&T him. He's an expiring as his last year is guaranteed for $3.9M.

The Thunder are more likely to stay under the cap this year due to having to go 2 consecutive years w/o going over the luxury tax. Doing this will allow all repeater penalties to reset. Next year's cap is going to be around $112,414,000 and assuming the picks stay where they are(lotto gods are cruel so don't be surprised if OKC stays at 5th and Houston keeps the pick), the Thunder will be under $80M with their 1sts and 2nds if they all come at once. They'll have at least $30M minimum in cap space they can use at their disposal to either absorb bad salaries in order to move up in the draft or initiate other plays.

I'd try to find a way to keep absorbing bad deals and create new trade exceptions if possible while taking advantage of teams who are looking for cap relief whether it'd be teams trying to get under the luxury tax or needing cap space in order to resign priority FA's.

[jake_swivel]

Anyone else think there’s a decent possibility kemba doesn’t play a game for the thunder?

[ThunderBolt]

From the athletic today…

According to multiple team sources, there was some dysfunction in the locker room, with the relationship between Stevens and Walker characterized as tension-filled. Sources also suggest that Stevens was also perceived to be harder on Walker than on other top players….

Several team sources felt Stevens was more aggressive with certain players this season, which included Walker who was criticized for his defensive mistakes. Those sources said Walker and Stevens began to butt heads, though the pair were considered to have a productive working relationship and mutual respect for one another…

Walker maintained his professionalism throughout the season but his health issues, the team’s poor performance and boos from TD Garden fans — something that particularly “pissed him off,” according to multiple sources — made him sour on his situation in Boston and had spoken privately about being willing to move to a new team.

[ThunderBolt]

Anyone else think there’s a decent possibility kemba doesn’t play a game for the thunder?

Nothing would surprise me but I’m not sure where he goes until he proves he’s somewhat healthy. Dallas made the most sense but depending on who ends up in control there, I think they are more likely to give KP and Luka more time together before they conclude it doesn’t work, even if it’s just half a season under a new coach. Similar to Morey with Simmons.

I think it was Down to Dunk that said what Presti is doing is like a pyramid scheme. Eventually the money will run and we won’t be able to keep swapping assets out but it won’t matter because we’ve already made our money.

[jake_swivel]

Nothing would surprise me but I’m not sure where he goes until he proves he’s somewhat healthy. I think it was Down to Dunk that said what Presti is doing is like a pyramid scheme. Eventually the money will run and we won’t be able to keep swapping assets out but it won’t matter because we’ve already made our money.

Gosh, it feels like both the bulls and mavs would both be interested. The lakers too, but I don’t know how it would work salary-wise. Maybe NO for Bledsoe and a pick or two? Feels like there are a few options.

[Dn4sty]

Anyone else think there’s a decent possibility kemba doesn’t play a game for the thunder?

Unless Kristaps is in OKC next year, I think he plays

[ThunderBolt]

Nothing would surprise me but I’m not sure where he goes until he proves he’s somewhat healthy. I think it was Down to Dunk that said what Presti is doing is like a pyramid scheme. Eventually the money will run and we won’t be able to keep swapping assets out but it won’t matter because we’ve already made our money.

Gosh, it feels like both the bulls and mavs would both be interested. The lakers too, but I don’t know how it would work salary-wise. Maybe NO for Bledsoe and a pick or two? Feels like there are a few options.

Bledsoe and Kemba are so far apart on salary, I’m not sure how it works. I don’t see a way for LAL to match salary since Denis was an expiring. Lots of stuff becomes possible with a third team. I’m not saying you’re wrong, just not sure how it works at this point.

[Dadouv47]

A deal around Bledsoe and Zion works

Seriously speaking, I kind of hope Kemba starts next season in OKC because I don't want Porzingis. Also not interested in any garbage package the Lakers may send us. Maybe something around Markknan in some S & T with another salary coming...not sure i like this idea though