Eliminated: UTA is out, knee-jerk trades and solutions [credit: Foshan]

babyjax13 · Post #1 » by **babyjax13** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:42 am

It's technically not over, but it's over.

Foshan wrote:So i thought this could be fun as each team gets knocked out. Especially at a time in which fans of said eliminated teams are thinking very clearly

So where does Utah go from here?

Hoopstar23 · Post #2 » by **Hoopstar23** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:44 am

try to trade Gobert, hope Mitchell rumors aint true... something has to change this offseason... try to trade Gobert right away! he was exposed front and center

Blood Orange · Post #3 » by **Blood Orange** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:46 am

Fire the coach, deal Gobert for pennies, get a real point guard that isn't injury prone, burn the house down.

Colbinii · Post #4 » by **Colbinii** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:47 am

Change the rules so the best defender in the NBA can actually impact the game.

K_chile22 · Post #5 » by **K_chile22** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:48 am

Gobert is hands down the most impactful defender in basketball.. Until a team goes small in the playoffs and he's almost completely neutralized. Idk if trading him is the answer, doubt it is because other teams watch the playoffs too and seeding does matter, but it's tough to work around.

I'm REALLY curious to see if the new owner is going to shell out the big bucks to keep Conley after this

Norm2953 · Post #6 » by **Norm2953** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:49 am

Is there any way Utah can trade for Lillard?

Post #7 » by **zimpy27** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:49 am

Based on the GB, trade Gobert for Porzingis.

babyjax13 · Post #8 » by **babyjax13** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:53 am

K_chile22 wrote:Gobert is hands down the most impactful defender in basketball.. Until a team goes small in the playoffs and he's almost completely neutralized. Idk if trading him is the answer, doubt it is because other teams watch the playoffs too and seeding does matter, but it's tough to work around.

I'm REALLY curious to see if the new owner is going to shell out the big bucks to keep Conley after this

If you are Conley, why even come back? The Jazz were great this season, but he's going to be 34 and next year with teams having a real offseason to rest, it's going to be harder for Utah to win. I half expect to see him on the Clippers next year.

NoZoLakers · Post #9 » by **NoZoLakers** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:55 am

K_chile22 wrote:Gobert is hands down the most impactful defender in basketball.... Until a team goes small in the playoffs and he's almost completely neutralized. Idk if trading him is the answer, doubt it is because other teams watch the playoffs too and seeding does matter, but it's tough to work around.

I'm REALLY curious to see if the new owner is going to shell out the big bucks to keep Conley after this

i got Draymond

K_chile22 · Post #10 » by **K_chile22** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:55 am

babyjax13 wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:Gobert is hands down the most impactful defender in basketball.. Until a team goes small in the playoffs and he's almost completely neutralized. Idk if trading him is the answer, doubt it is because other teams watch the playoffs too and seeding does matter, but it's tough to work around.

I'm REALLY curious to see if the new owner is going to shell out the big bucks to keep Conley after this

If you are Conley, why even come back? The Jazz were great this season, but he's going to be 34 and next year with teams having a real offseason to rest, it's going to be harder for Utah to win. I half expect to see him on the Clippers next year.

$$$. Who else is going to give him a payday? Maybe the mavs??

K_chile22 · Post #11 » by **K_chile22** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:56 am

NoZoLakers wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:Gobert is hands down the most impactful defender in basketball.... Until a team goes small in the playoffs and he's almost completely neutralized. Idk if trading him is the answer, doubt it is because other teams watch the playoffs too and seeding does matter, but it's tough to work around.

I'm REALLY curious to see if the new owner is going to shell out the big bucks to keep Conley after this

i got Draymond

If you factor in the later half of the sentence then yeah I agree lol

babyjax13 · Post #12 » by **babyjax13** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:12 am

K_chile22 wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:Gobert is hands down the most impactful defender in basketball.. Until a team goes small in the playoffs and he's almost completely neutralized. Idk if trading him is the answer, doubt it is because other teams watch the playoffs too and seeding does matter, but it's tough to work around.

I'm REALLY curious to see if the new owner is going to shell out the big bucks to keep Conley after this

If you are Conley, why even come back? The Jazz were great this season, but he's going to be 34 and next year with teams having a real offseason to rest, it's going to be harder for Utah to win. I half expect to see him on the Clippers next year.
$$$. Who else is going to give him a payday? Maybe the mavs??

Utah is probably going to offer 2 years at $20 million per. That's $40 million. If he can get 3 years at the MLE he is missing out on something like $15 million, which is a lot, but he has made a TON in his career.

K_chile22 · Post #13 » by **K_chile22** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:21 am

babyjax13 wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
If you are Conley, why even come back? The Jazz were great this season, but he's going to be 34 and next year with teams having a real offseason to rest, it's going to be harder for Utah to win. I half expect to see him on the Clippers next year.
$$$. Who else is going to give him a payday? Maybe the mavs??

Utah is probably going to offer 2 years at $20 million per. That's $40 million. If he can get 3 years at the MLE he is missing out on something like $15 million, which is a lot, but he has made a TON in his career.

I think even if he doesn't get that deal elsewhere he would not be happy about that being their offer I would think. More I think about it the more I think he's gone but idk how deep new guys pockets run

babyjax13 · Post #14 » by **babyjax13** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:22 am

K_chile22 wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:$$$. Who else is going to give him a payday? Maybe the mavs??

Utah is probably going to offer 2 years at $20 million per. That's $40 million. If he can get 3 years at the MLE he is missing out on something like $15 million, which is a lot, but he has made a TON in his career.

I think even if he doesn't get that deal elsewhere he would not be happy about that being their offer I would think. More I think about it the more I think he's gone but idk how deep new guys pockets run

I don't think he's worth more than that. He's available for like 60 percent of games and he's like the 10th best point guard in the league on a good day. I mean, he's a really good player, I love him, I love what he brought to the team, but it doesn't make sense for him to come back, in my opinion.

K_chile22 · Post #15 » by **K_chile22** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:23 am

They also desperately need point of attack defense. Part of what made Gobert look bad is that the only perimeter guy that wasn't a turnstile was O'Neal

babyjax13 · Post #16 » by **babyjax13** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:25 am

K_chile22 wrote:They also desperately need point of attack defense. Part of what made Gobert look bad is that the only perimeter guy that wasn't a turnstile was O'Neal

O'neale is generally really good as a perimeter defender, but I agree we need more. We also need someone who can come off the bench and play small-ball five. We can make things work with Rudy just fine (granted he won't be *as* impactful), but Favors is a complete liability with that style of play.

eminence · Post #17 » by **eminence** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:27 am

K_chile22 wrote:They also desperately need point of attack defense. Part of what made Gobert look bad is that the only perimeter guy that wasn't a turnstile was O'Neal

Bojan had weird iso flashes on Kawhi, but got left behind on any picks. I was surprised we didn't see more of him taking the ballhandler tonight.

Anywho, I don't expect I'll come away happy from the squads offseason this year, seems set up for rash decisions.

K_chile22 · Post #18 » by **K_chile22** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:34 am

I really like Nance for them.

Nance to Utah
#30, 2023 pick swap, Culver to Cleveland
Favors to Minny
???

babyjax13 · Post #19 » by **babyjax13** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:36 am

K_chile22 wrote:I really like Nance for them.

Nance to Utah
#30, 2023 pick swap, Culver to Cleveland
Favors to Minny
???

A first round pick and a pick swap + Favors for Nance is just brutal. I like him, but I can't imagine surrendering that kind of value. I think more realistically you could build a three team trade where Favors goes into someone's cap-space and Utah sends 30 for Nance if they want him, but nothing more than that.

nykballa2k4 · Post #20 » by **nykballa2k4** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:44 am

babyjax13 wrote:It's technically not over, but it's over.

Foshan wrote:So i thought this could be fun as each team gets knocked out. Especially at a time in which fans of said eliminated teams are thinking very clearly

So where does Utah go from here?

Not sure how the rest of it goes but Gobert to SAS for Poeltl. Think plucking a few guys off the Spurs roster (what is left of it) and getting a future first would make this make some sense, particularly if that creates some cap flexibility to fill the roster.