Celtics trade Kemba Walker for Al Horford

[cloverleaf]

Curious why Brad didn’t wait. Gotta believe they have other things to talk about. Never seen a trade like this in middle of playoffs.


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I was at work and was absolutely shocked

I am hoping the reports the team has put out about now just looking to sign Fournier and find a mid-level are misinformation spin from the C's.

Meanwhile it sounds like Udoka is now rounding into their most likely coaching pick.

[robbie84]

I can't even call this a dump because Horford is signed for 2 years just like Kemba. OKC very obviously wins this deal.

In what world were we 'winning' any kemba trade? The guy is injured, on a huge salary AND he wants out of town.

I'm not sure there's a better situation for us than dumping Kemba, picking up 2 very good, useful rotation players in return (one being good enough to start) and owing less money overall.

Jesus some people are hard to please.

[cloverleaf]

I can't even call this a dump because Horford is signed for 2 years just like Kemba. OKC very obviously wins this deal.

In what world were we 'winning' any kemba trade? The guy is injured, on a huge salary AND he wants out of town.

I'm not sure there's a better situation for us than dumping Kemba, picking up 2 very good, useful rotation players in return (one being good enough to start) and owing less money overall.

Jesus some people are hard to please.

Only $14M guaranteed on Horford's 2nd year plus his contract is significantly lower than Kemba's such that only about $43M is guaranteed in total vs. about $73M for Kemba. That also makes Al's contract likely more movable both midseason this coming year and in the offseason next year. As long as they don't undo that gain by giving Fournier a big 2 to 4 year deal this is a big boost for the C's.

And MoBro is likely at least as good a big-man project, obviously with more proven NBA viability, than any of the bigs the C's might have got from that pick.

[ParticleMan]

if the Jays prefer Udoka i'm all for him. seems like a good guy, good pedigree, and has a connection to a lot of guys via the olympics. he does seem like he has brad's even-keeled demeanor, which i always liked. i like that he grew up coaching wise under Pop, that can't be a bad thing. sometimes guys who aren't stars make better coaches, they understand what it takes to do the little things to win. the main thing is that hopefully the guys will listen to him.

[Bad-Thoma]

I remember about a week ago we were wondering if we could even unload Kemba's contract.

Brad be like

[radcot]

Yes, Moses Brown may or may not end up being better than the player the Celtics might have picked at 16, but a week ago, I thought it likely that the pick would have to be attached to Kemba with no equivalent return. Surprised and pleased that that was not the case. Good job, Brad.

[bceltic55]

Goes to show you what the posters here really know versus what does happen.

[Half-Full]

I can't even call this a dump because Horford is signed for 2 years just like Kemba. OKC very obviously wins this deal.

In what world were we 'winning' any kemba trade? The guy is injured, on a huge salary AND he wants out of town.

I'm not sure there's a better situation for us than dumping Kemba, picking up 2 very good, useful rotation players in return (one being good enough to start) and owing less money overall.

Jesus some people are hard to please.

Not to mention the fact that our team can use a veteran presence like Al. Further, he is a former teammate who was well liked by the Jays, and Marcus, and put up decent numbers before he was shut down by the Thunder. All of that is a big plus as far as I'm concerned, AND we get Moses Brown a player on an upward trajectory who is young, talented, healthy, and cheap. The Celtics didn't lose on this deal, even if the Thunder get a good player with pick #16. That player would have to be a lot better than Brown is to even consider it a win for the Thunder, and we haven't even talked about the cap flexibility we gained from the trade. The Thunder made out all right, but I think the trade was a win for us.

[Kaykoose]

You guys are delusional about Moses Brown, the guy is a filler. None of the Thunder fans on this site even care that he was tossed in. You guys have seen him play maybe once. He doesn't move the needle.

The lack of talent on this team after what they started with is mind-boggling and the Celtics just made yet another losing move.

[OldCeltics]

So let me get this straight. We trade a 33 million albatross contract for a multi-year 27 million albatross contract, and give up a pick #16, and somehow its a win?

Get your green colored glasses, throw them in the garbage, and look at reality for once.

Al Horford has to be waived, or moved in further trades. Al is 35yo, washed, volume shoots 3s all day, he can't play in the post, he's soft as cotton candy.

When he left, it was literally addition by subtraction, and the team really started to click. Theis, Williams, Kanter stepped up. Kanter could score in the post, Williams the young player that can block shots, and Theis all around player complimented one another.

We literally laughed at the contract Sixers gave Al Horford.

I hope this gives Cs flexibility to do further trades. But if not, and Hordford plays, i won't be watching.

[cloverleaf]

You guys are delusional about Moses Brown, the guy is a filler. None of the Thunder fans on this site even care that he was tossed in. You guys have seen him play maybe once. He doesn't move the needle.

The lack of talent on this team after what they started with is mind-boggling and the Celtics just made yet another losing move.

I disagree that it was a bad deal or losing move. Kemba was pretty much untenable on this team for next season.

Also, OKC didn't have to give Moses the deal above and beyond the 2-way, but they did. He had a pedigree as a high school student and put up good rebounding numbers, particularly, in his limited time in the NBA, even though it was, yes, on a God-awful bad team. He hasn't shown much shooting (though he did at least advance in FT% from .375 to .619 on FTs between his 2 years in the league and has an okay career .540 TS% showing his ability to play within his capabalities), and may well turn out to be another Kornet or Wagner. But so might anyone they pick at #16, even in a deep draft. Centers tend to be the slowest to develop and that Moses already has 52 games over 2 years, including 32 starts, by the age of 21 is notable for a 21yo with athleticism AND some flashing of skills.

But yeah, the deal wasn't based on Moses or to be judged on his inclusion--unless indeed his upside pans out for the C's. People are higher on him due to his showing his rebounding and dunking against Thompson, particularly, among the C's than if his best games had come elsewhere. Moses also has as team-friendly a contract as exists in the NBA (multiyear, team option for a relative pittance). He is pretty much an athletic Wagner or Kornet at this point.

Still, folks were pretty much ready to have to take on a non-needle-moving vet with at least a year of a bad contract for the additional cost of the C's 1st in order to get Kemba out of here. That's what they got, but they also got a little more hope than they thought would be coming back the other way. I imagine he and Tacko may both be in the C's SL lineup?

[Bad-Thoma]

I hope this gives Cs flexibility to do further trades. But if not, and Hordford plays, i won't be watching.

Does that mean you also won't be posting? Asking for a friend.

[celticfan42487]

So let me get this straight. We trade a 33 million albatross contract for a multi-year 27 million albatross contract, and give up a pick #16, and somehow its a win?

Yup, that's the entire argument

It's amazing

[ParticleMan]

So let me get this straight. We trade a 33 million albatross contract for a multi-year 27 million albatross contract, and give up a pick #16, and somehow its a win?

Yup, that's the entire argument

It's amazing

are you serious? that's honestly what you think the argument is?

that's pretty embarrassing.

[Half-Full]

So let me get this straight. We trade a 33 million albatross contract for a multi-year 27 million albatross contract, and give up a pick #16, and somehow its a win?

Get your green colored glasses, throw them in the garbage, and look at reality for once.

Al Horford has to be waived, or moved in further trades. Al is 35yo, washed, volume shoots 3s all day, he can't play in the post, he's soft as cotton candy.

When he left, it was literally addition by subtraction, and the team really started to click. Theis, Williams, Kanter stepped up. Kanter could score in the post, Williams the young player that can block shots, and Theis all around player complimented one another.

We literally laughed at the contract Sixers gave Al Horford.

I hope this gives Cs flexibility to do further trades. But if not, and Hordford plays, i won't be watching.

SMH.

[cloverleaf]

So let me get this straight. We trade a 33 million albatross contract for a multi-year 27 million albatross contract, and give up a pick #16, and somehow its a win?

Get your green colored glasses, throw them in the garbage, and look at reality for once.

Al Horford has to be waived, or moved in further trades. Al is 35yo, washed, volume shoots 3s all day, he can't play in the post, he's soft as cotton candy.

When he left, it was literally addition by subtraction, and the team really started to click. Theis, Williams, Kanter stepped up. Kanter could score in the post, Williams the young player that can block shots, and Theis all around player complimented one another.

We literally laughed at the contract Sixers gave Al Horford.

I hope this gives Cs flexibility to do further trades. But if not, and Hordford plays, i won't be watching.

$73M guaranteed vs. $43M guaranteed (and thus also more movable) is a big difference. Also, not having to kowtow to washed up, halftime-available, Kemba will be a big relief. Al and the Jays are more complementary in play and for whatever much Al has left in the tank and healthy, he's more in the line of what the C's most need anyway.

[Half-Full]

You guys are delusional about Moses Brown, the guy is a filler. None of the Thunder fans on this site even care that he was tossed in. You guys have seen him play maybe once. He doesn't move the needle.

The lack of talent on this team after what they started with is mind-boggling and the Celtics just made yet another losing move.

Moses Brown entered the draft after a less than stellar year at UCLA. He went undrafted. He signed a two-way contract with the Trail Blazers, and played for their G-League team (2019-20). Over 30 games he put up respectable numbers. Playing an average of 19min/game, he pulled down 7.7 rebounds (4 offensive) and scored 14.5 pts. The following season he was signed to a two-way deal by the Thunder, and played for the Thunder's G-League team before being called up. In 14 games with the OKC Blue, he started every game, his minutes increased to 26/game, his rebounds went up to 14 (6 offensive), and points increased to 18.5. He was named to the All-NBA G-League first team, and G-League first team All-Defensive Team. After being called up to the Thunder he played in 43 games, averaging 21 min/game and pulling down 9 rebounds/game and putting up 8.6 pts/game. I don't think it is delusional to think he is on an upward trend. The evidence is there. He put up 21 pts and 23 rebounds against the Celtics! Filler? OK, but filler with upside.

[bisme37]

Curious why Brad didn’t wait. Gotta believe they have other things to talk about. Never seen a trade like this in middle of playoffs.


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Prolly because Horford was getting traded somewhere else if not here and Brad didn't want to miss the boat.

[Bad-Thoma]

Aside from liking the cost flexibility and Moses potential I'm actually pretty happy to see Horford back as well. He knows how to play team basketball and at times it felt like that was the biggest thing missing last year. He already had an old man game when he was here and while I know he is physically sliding it doesn't have the same impact on his game that it does a player like Kemba. I know it'll likely be a one year gig but he'll help with the ball movement and defense and be a good mentor for Timelord and Moses.

[ballup]

It's a fair price. A FRP to not only reduce a year off Kemba's deal, but we get back a smaller contract. Horford has 12 mil non guarantee in his final year too. Addresses the playmaking probelm too.

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